visayanboy wrote:
Llaneta wrote:
BS... without Roach' strategy and dicipline, Pac will be nothing. Pac's career would have ended 10 years ago if he had a different trainer.
Sir Llaneta, What PLANETA you came from?y .."NAKAKAHIYA" ka..this is PACLAND..not "cockROACHLAND"...you disregard (PAC is one of the few boxers who is fleetfooted and a powerr puncher) Pacman's skill and you belittled him, you gave more importance to Freddie's abilities as a trainer..Now answer this..where is Roach now if the Late Boxing Manager Mr.Nazario assigned Pacman to MANNY STEWARD???....here are the List of "BOXERS" who lost their TITLES or who fought in Championshipn fights and LOST bcoz they were trained by nMr.Roach.
(1).DelaHoya, Hopkins, Israel Vsasquez, Bernard Concepcion, Gerry Penaloza, Michael Moorer, Jorge Lanesa and Manfredo...and most of them didn't win a fight (even non-title fight) under Freddie's guardianship....PLS. TAKE NOTE: MR. ROACH DIDN"T WANT THE MATCH-UP BARRERA/PACMAN 1..HE WANTED A MEXICAN FIGHTER, PAULIE AYALA AS PAC OPPONENTS, BUT MR.NAZARIO INSISTED AND THAT BARRERA BOUT, MADE PACMAN A SUPERSTAR...
Llaneta wrote:
(1)Pacman is gifted with power and speed. Natural talent needed major refining and that Roach did. He chisseled the diamond
(1)visayanboy replied:..what refinement you're talking about..Pacman..doesn't know "IN-FIGHTING"..where can you see a slugger who doesn't know how to ..UPPERCUT, Clinch, and Hit/HOLD..review the replay of Pac/Bradley..the Hit/hold, Uppercut and Clinch were missing...in his fight with Juanita 1 thats in 2004..the Late Mr.Nazario told Freddie..don't let Pacman fight Juanita again..unless you can teach him how to defeat a counter puncher and how to be a counter Puncher Boxer....2004..now is 2012..its 8 years until now He was not able to solved the Counter Puncher style of Juanita...Is that the refinement and chisseled the diamond to you..Pacman is as RAW as before..
(2).Pac wouldn't have done it by himself with his straight left. Roach would not have been as famous as he is now if he never met Pac
(2) Visayanboy rep-lied: you didn't read all my post..Pacman skill is not just the unprecedented Left straight..He got speed and he is Power Puncher..with iron chin...
but who knows, maybe true is the same, I don't know how far Pac would have gone with his wild style and straight left. Can't compare the other boxers who lost their titles under Roach because they didn't have the same opponents as Manny's in-house fights in the same weight class.
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