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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:07 pm 
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Lima Sinco wrote:

I know you’re being sarcastic, but I actually agree with you, because I’m a Pachater. :D

I’ve been plotting Pac’s retirement path in my head for some time but I didn’t want to start a thread with it, so I’ll just post it here.

Most experts reject the Pac-Armstrong comparison citing that Armstrong captured the titles in the three classic divisions, Featherweight, Welterweight and Lightweight consecutively, and in that order. Armstrong climbed from Feather all the way to Welter then moved back down to Lightweight, winning all three world titles.

Pac, on the other hand, started his run from the modern weight class, Superfeather (not the classic Featherweight), then moved up to Lightweight, then to Welterweight, capturing the lineal title in only one (Superfeather), an alphabelt in Lightweight, and no title at all in Welter.

I do think, however, that Pac still has a chance to equal or even surpass Armstrong’s achievement, if he chooses to.

Here’s how: make another run starting with his JrWelter lineal title that he took from Hatton.

1. Fight Mayweather next (assuming he beats JMM) at Welter (no catch-weights). Mayweather retired carrying the lineal title at Welter. Since nobody beat him yet, it can be argued that he’s still lineal at Welter. If Pac beats him, he becomes lineal at Welter (though debatable at this point). Meanwhile, Cotto (assuming he beats Clottey) and Mosley will both be left with no dance partners and will most probably fight each other, thereby unifying the Welter division.

2. Fight Marquez next at Lightweight. If Pac wins, he becomes lineal at lightweight (no arguments). This would also demonstrate that Pac can go down in weight as well as he can go up.

3. Fight the winner of Mosley-Cotto at Welter (no catch-weights). If Pac wins, he erases all arguments to his lineal claim at Welter.

So now, Pac has captured the lineal titles in JrWelter, Lightweight and Welterweight in 4 consecutive fights. Another very impressive run on top of his first run from Superfeather. There is now a very strong argument that Pac’s run is more impressive than Armstrong’s. Pac has now captured lineal titles in the same three classic divisions where Armstrong got his: Featherweight, Lightweight and Welterweight. On top of that, Pac had the lineal title in another classic division, Flyweight, which Armstrong never got. That’s 4 lineal titles in 4 classic divisions. Nobody has ever done that before.

Still on top of that, Pac also got the lineal at 2 additional modern divisions, Superfeather and JrWelter. A total of 6 lineal titles in 6 divisions (classic and modern). Nobody can argue with that anymore. 8)

Assuming that the boxing experts would agree that Pac has now surpassed Armstrong, who is there left to compare him to? Sugar Ray Robinson.

So what does Pac do now? Fight Paul Williams at JrMiddle for his final fight, just for the heck of it!

However he may perform in that fight, it would be up to the experts to conclude whether he surpasses Robinson or not.

Awesome retirement path, isn’t it? I told you, I’m a Pachater. :D



Risky :) ... Cotto or Mosley at 147 hmmm .. no :D

Paul Williams ... big no ... his style will beat Manny. Everyone,
let everyone know ... that the moving while boxing style is the
style that will beat Manny. That is why PBF is the riskest of all
because he will do this. But Paul has a longer reach so it will
be a nightmare. While PBF, he will stop on the ropes and as
Roach says, he will get hurt if he goes to the ropes.



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:21 pm 
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Cybiryan wrote:

Pacquiao was hardly touched by David Diaz, De la Hoya and
Ricky Hatton. So why not stay in boxing a little longer? Not
just till 2010 .. longer .. like till 2011.

At least find out how you fare on a US economy when its out
of recession and break some PPV records. When HBO coment-
ators are calling you a "DLH successor" .. or "The face of Box-
ing" ... you have to recognize this and grab the opportunity.
Boxing is where Manny excels .. he should stay in Boxing for a
few more fights. Invading the higher weight classes is like re-
minding the American audience of the coming of Bruce Lee
once - full of drama and so exciting.

This is actually my personal request for Manny Pacquiao - to
stay in boxing for a little bit longer. I've stated it before, he
can be "bigger" than he can ever be in Politics or Business
where the waters are murky or unclear. These ventures his
contemplating requires advisors :D Boxing is where he's
good at ... and obviously being "untouched" means he had
improved his defense.






how sure are you that Manny will keep winning till 2011?

Are you prepare to see him lose and devastated just like what he did to Diaz, Delahoya and Hatton?

yeah boxing is where hE'S good at "AT THE MOMENT"..

I find those people who wants Manny to stay longer in boxing, SELFISH, people who been spoiled by Pac's greatness in the ring and never thinking of something bad might happen to Pac if he stay longer in boxing..

those people must realize that Manny just prove himself in this cruel sport, a legacy and being included in the all time great boxers in history..

for me enough is enough, we have to look and gives attention to all of our new Filipino boxers..

:)

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:50 pm 
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silsplace wrote:

how sure are you that Manny will keep winning till 2011?

Are you prepare to see him lose and devastated just like what he did to Diaz, Delahoya and Hatton?

yeah boxing is where hE'S good at "AT THE MOMENT"..

I find those people who wants Manny to stay longer in boxing, SELFISH, people who been spoiled by Pac's greatness in the ring and never thinking of something bad might happen to Pac if he stay longer in boxing..

those people must realize that Manny just prove himself in this cruel sport, a legacy and being included in the all time great boxers in history..

for me enough is enough, we have to look and gives attention to all of our new Filipino boxers..

:)



Stop thinking about losing ... negative :D

Its just about being able to do ... and not being able to do.

Thats why the tone of the topic is "Why not .... "

JMM has able to do it, fighting till 36. Hopkins ws able to do
it, fighting at heck I don't even remember his age, 41 maybe.
You seem to be afraid to have Manny lose :) Though I don't
want to see it happen, there's nothing wrong with losing. I
have pictured and accepted the scenario eversince I decided
to be a boxing fan. If he lose then thats it. No big deal. Ali
lost.



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:54 pm 
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Cybiryan wrote:
silsplace wrote:

how sure are you that Manny will keep winning till 2011?

Are you prepare to see him lose and devastated just like what he did to Diaz, Delahoya and Hatton?

yeah boxing is where hE'S good at "AT THE MOMENT"..

I find those people who wants Manny to stay longer in boxing, SELFISH, people who been spoiled by Pac's greatness in the ring and never thinking of something bad might happen to Pac if he stay longer in boxing..

those people must realize that Manny just prove himself in this cruel sport, a legacy and being included in the all time great boxers in history..

for me enough is enough, we have to look and gives attention to all of our new Filipino boxers..

:)



Stop thinking about losing ... negative :D

Its just about being able to do ... and not being able to do.

Thats why the tone of the topic is "Why not .... "

JMM has able to do it, fighting till 36. Hopkins ws able to do
it, fighting at heck I don't even remember his age, 41 maybe.
You seem to be afraid to have Manny lose :) Though I don't
want to see it happen, there's nothing wrong with losing. I
have pictured and accepted the scenario eversince I decided
to be a boxing fan. If he lose then thats it. No big deal. Ali
lost.




are we ready to see Manny like Ali or Navarette of today?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:02 pm 
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Ok, let's see:
2nd half of 2009: Won his 7th division title at 147.
2010: Had 1 successful defense of his 147-pound title; Won his 8th division title at 154.
2011: Had 2 successful defenses of his 147-pound title.
2012: Lost his 147-pound title via robbery (won in review); Lost via come-from-behind KO in his next fight.
2013: Won his comeback fight and won a regional title at 147.
2014: Won another title at 147; Had 1 successful defense of his 147-pound title.
2015: Lost his 147-pound title in a historic unification.
2016: Won another regional title and his 5th division lineal title at 147 (shortly retires afterwards); Won another title at 147.
2017: Lost his 147-pound title via hometown robbery.

Won against: Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, Marquez (3rd fight), Rios, Bradley (2nd fight), Algieri, Bradley (3rd fight), Vargas
Lost against: Bradley (1st fight), Marquez (4th fight), Mayweather, Horn

Won WBO Welterweight title 3x (total of 4 successful defenses), WBC Super Welterweight title, Lineal Welterweight title; WBO International title 2x; WBC Diamond, WBO Super, WBO Commemorative, WBO Diamond, WBA Rhodium, WBO Legacy belts.

Unsuccessful attempts for WBA (Super), WBC, The Ring and Lineal (1st attempt) Welterweight titles; WBO Champion of the Decade, WBA Gold, WBC Emerald belts.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:40 pm 
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Cybiryan wrote:

Pacquiao was hardly touched by David Diaz, De la Hoya and
Ricky Hatton. So why not stay in boxing a little longer? Not
just till 2010 .. longer .. like till 2011.

At least find out how you fare on a US economy when its out
of recession and break some PPV records. When HBO coment-
ators are calling you a "DLH successor" .. or "The face of Box-
ing" ... you have to recognize this and grab the opportunity.
Boxing is where Manny excels .. he should stay in Boxing for a
few more fights. Invading the higher weight classes is like re-
minding the American audience of the coming of Bruce Lee
once - full of drama and so exciting.

This is actually my personal request for Manny Pacquiao - to
stay in boxing for a little bit longer. I've stated it before, he
can be "bigger" than he can ever be in Politics or Business
where the waters are murky or unclear. These ventures his
contemplating requires advisors :D Boxing is where he's
good at ... and obviously being "untouched" means he had
improved his defense.






Pac stayed too long now.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:15 am 
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oo nga,

dapat magretiro na siya

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:02 pm 
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Tingin ko di pa dapat siya mag-retire dahil baka bigla mabura ang Phil. sa elite level ng boxing. Wala pang boxingerong pinoy na global ang pangalan. Pili na lang sya ng sikat pero mahina or over rated ('yung kaya niya dominahin) na boxers para hindi masira ang katawan. (Tularan niya ang ginagawa nung isang undepeated na boxer, kunwari may laban sa kanya yung kalaban pero sa totoo lang wala, pera-pera na lang din). Konting panahon pa sana!


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