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Author:  david paulart [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Have you noticed - between Manny and Jose Rizal?

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This is not to downgrade our current national hero, Jose Rizal.. but did you ever ponder
the significant differences between Manny Pacquiao and Jose Rizal-- in some aspects of their
individual characters/qualities/ traits/origins, etc.. One may come up for a while in his
thought that Rizal should have been replaced by Manny Pacquiao as the real National Hero!

Think about these facts:

1. Rizal is not totally a Pinoy-blooded individual --- he is a half-Chinese (from his father side), while Pacquaio is
unquestionably has a pure Pinoy-origin in both of his parents;


2. Rizal, even started from his childhood life, lived in a higher social-elite class of family, while Pacquiao originally lived
in a real poverty; Pacquiao is more "maka-Masa" than Jose Rizal due to such social class boundaries;


3. Rizal's family had been adopting the "European costumes" and Spanish lifestyles.. In fact, Rizal had been oriented with foreign lifestyles as he'd been studying abroad.

4. Rizal used to speak "Spanish" than Tagalog ... in contrary to his encouragement to speak the native language.

5. Rizal is seemingly not really a brave one... he's good only in writing.. but less in doing. He's not really a real fighter, he'd been hiding for life until he was caught by the Spanish authorities. A true brave revolutionary warrior is a bold one... not a 'self-conscious' to become a hero.

6. Pacquiao's presence has been more encouraging to his fellowmen, and lifting more fighting spirits than what Rizal did.
The presence of Pacquiao with his fellow Pinoys is more electrifying and inspiring.. than Rizal who seldom
seen in his homeland.

7. The fruits of Rizal's principles and writings cannot clearly be seen. His principles and sayings seem superficial and ineffective to the lives of Pinoys. The impact of Pacquiao on his country is more overwhelming.. and realistic.


8. Pacquiao interacts/ mingles more with his fellow people (especially the 'masa') than Rizal did. Rizal had been very selective with his circle of friends (most were socialites). see the way and style of Rizal's apparel/clothing.


9. Pacquiao is a real brave one. He fights anybody, not hiding (or simply writing)--- and he really gives honor to our country and makes every Filipino so proud than Rizal did.



Now, here's the point to ponder.


Do you think Pacquiao is more deserving to be called a new National Hero --replacing Jose Rizal? 8)

what do you think?

Author:  TheSubversive [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

Rizal was a highly educated linguist, physician, author, artist, etc, etc just to name a few. Pacquiao has not earned a college degree (even though he now has the means to do so)

Rizal fought against the abuses of the Catholic church and their corruption. Pacquiao SUPPORTS the Catholic church on their EVERY stance.

IMO there is no comparison. Pacquiao is an athlete that should be admired for his accomplishments on his ONE field. Rizal was a renaissance man who is the greatest individual our race, the Malays have every produced. His work has laid the foundation for pinoys to gain self-empowerment and self-governance.

Also there are many points you made there that are quite erroneous and ridiculous. Rizal not brave? Why should one measure bravery only by fighting. He was brave in opposing tyranny and fighting for the civil liberties of his people. the other points are just laughable and not worth debating.

Pacquiao is also not "pure pinoy" because there is no such thing. Malays came from the chinese Mainland long ago. Pacquiao is a CHINESE name....notice the "QUIAO" at the end, which is blatantly Chinese.

Author:  boknoy the fighting ball [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

Comparing Manny to Rizal is the main symptom of pactardation to its fullest...

Sure pac gave us some honors by being a super elite world-class athlete, but outside the ring, his political and philosophical views, FFS even his intelligence, are very questionable.

Author:  lucifairy [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

:lol: :lol: :lol: I disagree! Totally! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  redhorse [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

TheSubversive wrote:
Rizal was a highly educated linguist, physician, author, artist, etc, etc just to name a few. Pacquiao has not earned a college degree (even though he now has the means to do so)

Rizal fought against the abuses of the Catholic church and their corruption. Pacquiao SUPPORTS the Catholic church on their EVERY stance.

IMO there is no comparison. Pacquiao is an athlete that should be admired for his accomplishments on his ONE field. Rizal was a renaissance man who is the greatest individual our race, the Malays have every produced. His work has laid the foundation for pinoys to gain self-empowerment and self-governance.

Also there are many points you made there that are quite erroneous and ridiculous. Rizal not brave? Why should one measure bravery only by fighting. He was brave in opposing tyranny and fighting for the civil liberties of his people. the other points are just laughable and not worth debating.

Pacquiao is also not "pure pinoy" because there is no such thing. Malays came from the chinese Mainland long ago. Pacquiao is a CHINESE name....notice the "QUIAO" at the end, which is blatantly Chinese.


Comparing Pacquiao to Rizal is a thousand miles a far. How about comparing Nonits and Rizal? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  el critico [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

pacquiao should replace Jesus Christ :biglaugh:

Author:  TheSubversive [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

redhorse wrote:
TheSubversive wrote:
Rizal was a highly educated linguist, physician, author, artist, etc, etc just to name a few. Pacquiao has not earned a college degree (even though he now has the means to do so)

Rizal fought against the abuses of the Catholic church and their corruption. Pacquiao SUPPORTS the Catholic church on their EVERY stance.

IMO there is no comparison. Pacquiao is an athlete that should be admired for his accomplishments on his ONE field. Rizal was a renaissance man who is the greatest individual our race, the Malays have every produced. His work has laid the foundation for pinoys to gain self-empowerment and self-governance.

Also there are many points you made there that are quite erroneous and ridiculous. Rizal not brave? Why should one measure bravery only by fighting. He was brave in opposing tyranny and fighting for the civil liberties of his people. the other points are just laughable and not worth debating.

Pacquiao is also not "pure pinoy" because there is no such thing. Malays came from the chinese Mainland long ago. Pacquiao is a CHINESE name....notice the "QUIAO" at the end, which is blatantly Chinese.


Comparing Pacquiao to Rizal is a thousand miles a far. How about comparing Nonits and Rizal? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nonito might have more in common with Rizal

both proficient in english

both did not grow up poor

:lol:

Author:  redhorse [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

TheSubversive wrote:
redhorse wrote:
TheSubversive wrote:
Rizal was a highly educated linguist, physician, author, artist, etc, etc just to name a few. Pacquiao has not earned a college degree (even though he now has the means to do so)

Rizal fought against the abuses of the Catholic church and their corruption. Pacquiao SUPPORTS the Catholic church on their EVERY stance.

IMO there is no comparison. Pacquiao is an athlete that should be admired for his accomplishments on his ONE field. Rizal was a renaissance man who is the greatest individual our race, the Malays have every produced. His work has laid the foundation for pinoys to gain self-empowerment and self-governance.

Also there are many points you made there that are quite erroneous and ridiculous. Rizal not brave? Why should one measure bravery only by fighting. He was brave in opposing tyranny and fighting for the civil liberties of his people. the other points are just laughable and not worth debating.

Pacquiao is also not "pure pinoy" because there is no such thing. Malays came from the chinese Mainland long ago. Pacquiao is a CHINESE name....notice the "QUIAO" at the end, which is blatantly Chinese.


Comparing Pacquiao to Rizal is a thousand miles a far. How about comparing Nonits and Rizal? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nonito might have more in common with Rizal

both proficient in english

both did not grow up poor

:lol:


This is getting exciting again... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  kingofbira [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

el critico wrote:
pacquiao should replace Jesus Christ :biglaugh:


Pactard's already did....Image

Author:  redhorse [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

kingofbira wrote:
el critico wrote:
pacquiao should replace Jesus Christ :biglaugh:


Pactard's already did....Image


Correct and they even made some traditional sacrifices to please him. :lol:

Image

Author:  Fleadis [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

Why not make a religion (or should I say a cult) and make Manny your god? :LOL:

Author:  no.1fan [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

david paulart wrote:
Image
This is not to downgrade our current national hero, Jose Rizal.. but did you ever ponder
the significant differences between Manny Pacquiao and Jose Rizal-- in some aspects of their
individual characters/qualities/ traits/origins, etc.. One may come up for a while in his
thought that Rizal should have been replaced by Manny Pacquiao as the real National Hero!

Think about these facts:

1. Rizal is not totally a Pinoy-blooded individual --- he is a half-Chinese (from his father side), while Pacquaio is
unquestionably has a pure Pinoy-origin in both of his parents;


2. Rizal, even started from his childhood life, lived in a higher social-elite class of family, while Pacquiao originally lived
in a real poverty; Pacquiao is more "maka-Masa" than Jose Rizal due to such social class boundaries;


3. Rizal's family had been adopting the "European costumes" and Spanish lifestyles.. In fact, Rizal had been oriented with foreign lifestyles as he'd been studying abroad.

4. Rizal used to speak "Spanish" than Tagalog ... in contrary to his encouragement to speak the native language.

5. Rizal is seemingly not really a brave one... he's good only in writing.. but less in doing. He's not really a real fighter, he'd been hiding for life until he was caught by the Spanish authorities. A true brave revolutionary warrior is a bold one... not a 'self-conscious' to become a hero.

6. Pacquiao's presence has been more encouraging to his fellowmen, and lifting more fighting spirits than what Rizal did.
The presence of Pacquiao with his fellow Pinoys is more electrifying and inspiring.. than Rizal who seldom
seen in his homeland.

7. The fruits of Rizal's principles and writings cannot clearly be seen. His principles and sayings seem superficial and ineffective to the lives of Pinoys. The impact of Pacquiao on his country is more overwhelming.. and realistic.


8. Pacquiao interacts/ mingles more with his fellow people (especially the 'masa') than Rizal did. Rizal had been very selective with his circle of friends (most were socialites). see the way and style of Rizal's apparel/clothing.


9. Pacquiao is a real brave one. He fights anybody, not hiding (or simply writing)--- and he really gives honor to our country and makes every Filipino so proud than Rizal did.



Now, here's the point to ponder.


Do you think Pacquiao is more deserving to be called a new National Hero --replacing Jose Rizal? 8)

what do you think?

I would say, in addition to Rizal.
Rizal is more Filipino than most of Us, even if he is half Chinese.
His care and dedication for our country can be seen in his writings and works.
He is not violent but brave enough to be a treat to the Spanish Government.
He loves our country and gave his life for it.

Author:  no.1fan [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

kingofbira wrote:
el critico wrote:
pacquiao should replace Jesus Christ :biglaugh:


Pactard's already did....Image


This tread is Manah to these Floydiots and idiots. Your hapiness is so pathetic. 8)

Author:  ImABum [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

el critico wrote:
pacquiao should replace Jesus Christ :biglaugh:


"Do not take the name of the Lord in vain"

Author:  marinduque [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Have you noticed - between MANNY and JOSE RIZAL?

ImABum wrote:
el critico wrote:
pacquiao should replace Jesus Christ :biglaugh:


"Do not take the name of the Lord in vain"


EC never knew about it.. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

On Topic:

Rizal is Rizal, Pacquiao is Pacquiao. It's like comparing apples to oranges.. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

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