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He is a below average Trainer thats why the Pacman/JMM 3 and Pacman/ Bradley Bouts became controversials....what you can expect of Freddie, he was formerly employed in "Boston Tire Service" his primary Jobs to Inflate Tires..with that experience he also Inflated PACMAN'S TiTLES to 8..and 2 of that Crowns are the Magazine Belts....Since Pacman became Feather and Superfeather Team Pacquiao avoided Black Fighters, first is the Latino Black Joan GuZman and when he went up in weights in Lightweight and Superlightweight TeamPacquiao ducked Black Americans, namely..Tim Bradley ( agreed to fight only last june 9),Nate Campbell, Lamont Paterson,Kendal Holts, and Devon Alexander, also TeamPacquiao Ducked the 2 Blacks, Andre Berto of Haiti and Junior Witter of U.K.

Mr.Roach Typical Training Regimen and his Offensive/Defensive Style.
1.Pacman got a short training regimen, which is the reason why from Pacman/Juanita 2 and JPacman/uanita 3, Pacman/Cotto, Pacman/Margarito and Pacman/Bradley the Filipino ran our of gas in those bouts...Pacman decisioned only and didn't K.O.Margarito bcoz of stamina problem and not able to finish the Mexican while Cotto with a good training regimen T.K.O. Margarito
2.He didn't teach the Pacman how to fight "INFIGHTING" his Ace Pupil doesn't know how to deliver "UPPERCUT", how to "CLINCH" and "Hit and Hold Tactics... in Pacman/Bradleyy , Pacman just let Bradley..deliverd body Shots, absorved it as if nothing happened at all but Judges scored it for Bradley
3.He taught Pacman the Rope a Dope and also the Peek a Boo (copied by Amir Khan thats why he lost to Lamont Peterson) style wherein the 2 Arms covered the Face in attack or in defense..Its rope a dope stance that Pacman got Broken EarDrum in his bout with Cotto, with Margarito he received damaging Body Blows and also this style enabled his opponents to get some points mostly body blows.
4.Mr.Roach emphasized always the "PUNCHING POWER" of Pacman.asnd.he always gave predictions..Cotto in 2nd round, Pac/Jmm 2&3..in 6/8 rounds and a knockout win of Pacman over Bradley..He didn't give importance and SharPen (Ali,SugarRay,and FloydJr. honed their speed by running 30 miles backward) the other Arsenal of Pacman, the "BLISTERING SPEED". If not with this speed Pacman can't win against Juanita, Dela Hoya, and Margarito..
5.He is a Lazy trainer,. he is receiving 10% trainers Fee..He trained his No.1 ward only 2 months, while Roger Mayweather trains FloydJr 7 months 2 months in his house and 5 months in the LasVegas gym and Nacho Beristain Trains Juanita in the rugged mountains of Mexico for 5 months...Roach is no very bright..in short..TUP..TUP..he was not able to solved rthe Formula of Nacho the "HEAD SHIFTING"(bob & weave) or HEAD DUCKING" it was the reason why Juanita..didn't hit the canvas and also this head shifting was copied by Bradley..

The Bottomline if Pacman won't get another.. TRAINER/ADVICER he got no chance of beating FLOYDJR. and his fights with Juanita and Bradley will wind up as controversial again.......God Bless MODS and also your Family

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While I disagree with TS's opinion, I do feel Pac and Freddie have hit their ceiling as far as improvement goes. Roach is regarded as one of the best trainers of all time but he can only teach so much and Manny can only learn so much.

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yup, a split is at least worth considering, though i don't recommend especially if vs floyd. i think roach and pac together at their best beats floyd.

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Los los mo.
Freddie is very hard working.
His hands take a ton of abuse from working the mitts.
No trainers spends more on the mitts than Freddie.

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nobody agrees with this motherf@cker. in case you don't know this joker, nobody pays serious attention to all his posts.

to VB.

I'M COMING FOR YOU. BY AUGUST I WILL NOW BE IN CEBU AND IF I FIND U, I WILL ANAL RAPE UR MOTHERF@CKIN' A$$. U CAN RUN BUT U CUN_T HIDE

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that there ruins everything in your title sir VB, this is just my opinion sir VB... I have no ring mag collection.

seriously, Pacquiao has lost it, every sportsman goes to this stage.

Maybe, just maybe, if Floyd agrees to fight Pacquiao, then maybe we can see the fire inside him that weve been longing for... FR is still on top... How many world champions he produced already again?

this is just my take VB, you can think whatever the fvck you wanna think! - TMW style

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freddie roach is the greatest trainer of all time. no doubt about it

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roach is all hype. what happened to his predictions? all bs! if not for manny he's nothing

I think Pacquiao's sub-par performance in previous fights was due to his lack of focus during the training. Pac is preoccupied with his other obligations as lawmaker, tv host, product endorser, businessman, religious activities, etc.

We can't blame all his shortcomings to Roach. Pacquiao needs to decide whether he still likes to continue to fight or not. If he in deed wants to continue his career as a boxer then by all means he should free himself from all his other obligations for the whole 3-months going to the fight.

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Atty.Nabas Romney..you're in bartolina..how come you Pop-up....Read this Attorney..

Fighters who Lost under the Guardianship of Freddie Roach

English †Amir Khan Light Welterweight ..lost to Lamont Paterson
Filipino Manny Paquiao Welterweight...lost to Tim Bradley
Filipino Bernabe Concepcion Featherweight ..Lost to Puertorican
American Oscar dela hoya Light Middleweight..lost to Mayweather
American *Bernard Hopkins Light Heavyweight ..lost to Joe Calzaghe
Filipino Bobby Pacquiao Lightweight....lost to mexican
American *Brian Viloria Flyweight ......Lost to Mexican.
Filipino Diosdado Gabi Bantamweight ..lost mexican
Filipino †Gerry Peñalosa Bantamweight .Lost .mexican Deleon
Mexican †Israel Vasquez Super Bantamweight...Lost Rafael Marquez
American †James Toney Heavyweight..never win a Belt under the tutelage of Freddie
American † Michael Moorer Light Heavyweight ..Lost to Foreman
American Peter Manfredo Jr. Middleeight ...lost to American Fighter
Filipino Rey Bautista Featherweight ..lost to mexican Deleon
Filipino Z Gorres Super Flywei ..lost to mexican

So Freddie Roach is this the greatest Trainer of all time

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Sir Mr.ICH..good morning..wait i'll answer those Butiking Kangkarot..to prove to you i still got my title.......God Bless Amigo and also your family

Sir Crush ng Bayan..you're still a flyweight but your Boxing knowledges is for the heavyweight...Amigo read this..

Our opinion was shared with others,Freddie Roach is just below average Trainer and also Pacman could have been a better boxer if Freddie was not his Trainer....read the comments of Mr. Joel Diaz the Trainer of Bradley..

Read this write-up:
“That’s the reason why I don’t watch news,” Diaz would say upon hearing of Roach’s bold proclamations. “That’s the reason why I don’t read stuff. Because I don’t want to know. And if I know, it doesn’t bother me. I know what I got and I know in what shape Timothy is. What mentality he is in. They can talk all they want. I don’t care. At the end of the day, Freddie’s not going to be in the ring fighting Bradley; it’s going to be Pacquiao.”

And while Ricky Hatton may have once been considered the number one junior welterweight on the block, Diaz insists he was past his peak and out of true fighting shape by the time Pacquiao got to him.

“Yeah, he did knock out Ricky Hatton, but come on, it’s Ricky Hatton,” Diaz stated. “After Mayweather knocked him out, Ricky Hatton was no longer the same. This guy blows up to 180, 190 pounds and then he makes 140; he loses everything on the scale. In order for you to get knocked out the way Manny Pacquiao knocked out Ricky Hatton, you’ve got to be hydrated. Because, if you’re hydrated, you will knock get knocked out like that. You can tell that knock out had a lot to do with hydration.”

Never one to typically talk trash or belittle anyone, Diaz still felt the need to continue returning fire.

“I respect every person, every trainer, that dedicates time to a fighter. But personally, myself, I feel he’s been an overrated trainer,” Diaz would say of Roach. “There’s only so much he can do. I just think that if Manny Pacquiao had landed in the United States with any other trainer, he would have made another trainer famous. Because it was Manny Pacquiao who made Freddie Roach famous, not Freddie Roach [who] made Manny Pacquiao famous.”....God Bless Amigo

on the early stages of Roach MP tandem when MP demolishing opponents left and right, we fans all praises to Roach and had seen the development of raw MP to somehow complete fighter.

But MP's last four fights fans are not satisfied, I think MP can only learn this much and Roach can only teach that much meaning they reached their potential and no more room for improvement for MP and Roach.

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