Dan Rightcross wrote:
so knocking jmm out is the key for mp to become an all time great? disregards mp's other achievements...
great idea bro..
well im not even sure if jmm is a candidate to the ATG...
To be an all time great you need to have a defining moment, a summit, a place or time when it all comes together. As of now Manny is only a candidate to be an all time great boxer. He needs a culminating moment when there is no doubt that he belongs to the legends. Ali had Frazier. Sugar Ray Leonard had Roberto Duran. Sugar Ray Robinson had Jake Lamotta. Now Pacquiao has Marquez who will also enter the realm of legends if he knocks out Pacquiao.
Defining moment? Manny has many of them. Morales rematch, Hatton, Dela Hoya and Cotto. I exclude Barrera, Marquez and Shane Mosley because either he just made a name for himself, the results were controversial or he beat a clearly past his prime opponent. But that pivotal win over Barrera will always be regarded as one of his best though it happened early in his career. All those names are bound in the Hall of Fame someday. I don't believe that Manny has already carved his legacy in stone. For as long as a fighter is on top of his game, or on top of rankings to see it another way, he can still improve on his lofty status. Lofty in a sense he is already an all time great but still trying to better his accomplishments. A decisive win over Marquez will surely enhance his legacy and all time great ranking. Bert Sugar, before he died, said Manny is in the Top 20. From here on, if he delivers more than what is expected, he'll move closer to the top hierarchy. Probably, Top 10. A loss always shuffles our perspectives as what happened in that controversial loss to Bradley. It's just an unwanted setback but more of an asterisk to Bradley's record than to his. A great fighter is always judged according to his prime and greatest accomplishments. Not on what happens towards the end when he relegates himself as steppingstone to promising boxers. Duran and Robinson accumulated more losses at the tail end of their careers but their legacy remained intact because their stellar accomplishments were already behind them. They fought too long for money. On the other hand, Manny is still competing at the top level. Maybe he's good for another year before he reaches the crossroad. Anyway, too many great fighters don't know when they're too old to quit.