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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:29 pm 
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Retz wrote:
It was a perfectly timed counter punch.


Yes it was a well-timed counter punch.
Manny became overconfident going to the last 10 seconds of the round and he just simply not apply the in and out strategy during those few moments. Marquez was already badly beaten in the 5th round and could go anytime thereafter.

Manny did fulfill his promise to bring back the old Manny which is relentless, aggressive and with do-or-die style but Marquez's trainers did a very good job preparing him for that fight and a they have succeeded.

Team Pacquiao should re-study their strategies should a 5th encounter happens.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:33 pm 
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He was lucky that Manny decided to attack using that combination. But the timing to hit manny is a skill. But still knocking manny to deep sleep is still a big question for me.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:39 pm 
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Blazing Speed wrote:
joelac33 wrote:
Lucky punch kc kung di niya na TKO si Manny cgurado ako sa sunod na round tapos na ang laban at matatalo na siya.kaya lucky punch yun.


me punto ka...
lucky is synonymous to =tsamba, bullseye cherry, etc.

it was all perfect -perfect timing, perfect position on Pacs mouth while he's on perfect bad position (salubong talaga)...
therefore =that was lucky!
again, if he's going to repeat that on pac (on next fight, he'll able put him to sleep again)... it wasn't a lucky punch anymore!


he's lucky to put Manny into deep sleep :lol:
if not, Packy will rise again and he'll be brutally/savagery finish on next remaining rounds. :evil: :twisted:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:16 pm 
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The reason why we called it lucky punch for the fourth time they fight again he had a good punch he deliver perfectly in no chance before Marquez punch was'nt really giving solid directed to Manny very close and timing distance. Happy! The word lucky punch is also called sometimes to any surprise in which people very unexpected that will happen although we don't want to happen to Manny Pacquiao but it happen. And sometimes you can think that way and say it a lucky punch. I hope Manny Pacquiao will be alright and nothing really serious damage of any kind. If he come back we need to be positive and motivate him. He really need a serious training he has all the best offense, what he need is the best defense at all Marquez did to him he learned Pacquiao moved and he know where to attack Pacquiao. Pacquiao must learn Marquez when he is leaning in front of him he must develop a punch to get him on that like upper cut sometimes Manny cant catch Marquez on his upper cut when Marquez step forward and lean other thing is Marquez is waiting if Manny cant beware of no head movement i had a feeling if Manny is thinking something that night in which bother him? sometimes we carried away it doesnt matter if this is a postive or negative but regardless it will be a new learning experienced in which later can be use as a postive for Manny Pacquiao when he fight again nor to his life decision making. May kasabihan tayo itong nangyari na ito kay Manny it could be aral so huwag natin isa isip na ito ay isang negatibo bagkus isipin natin isa itong positibo at maka-angat muli si Manny Pacquiao sa susunod niyang mga laban siyempre ayaw natin na magtapos ng talunan ang ating minamahal na si Manny Pacquiao kaya mabuhay ka Manny Pacquiao nawa pagpalain ka pa huwag sana natin husgahan ang mga ginagawa ng isang tao Kung meron mang pagbabago sa relihiyon ni Manny o sa katauhan niya ito ang kangyan kapasyahan at lahat tayo uhaw sa katotohanan at kaya naman kailangan natin malaman at matuto. Kung nadapa pan si Manny halimbawa sa laban o natalo tulungan natin sya makabangon muli hindi yung husguhan, o sirahan may ilan tao ang ganito ang paguugali sa nangyari kay Manny. Kaya sana panalangin natin na lumakas at mahigitan ni Manny ang mga nawala niya kapag bumalik siya muli sa ring at sa oras na iyon magwagi muli at magpakita muli siya ng mah unsay na halimbawa sa mga tao at huwag niya ng isipin ang ganti o masamang iniisip ng ibang tao.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:56 pm 
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A lot of people still in denial, still can't accept a simple fact. You will always find reason to convince yourself that the little things that happened around that punch (stepping, tripping, lousy jabbing, carelessness, over aggressiveness, broken nose, the one second remaining, Pacquiao leading the fight, etc.) is all about luck.

Marquez was lucky Manny agreed to a 4th fight, he got lucky Arum set up the fight, he got lucky Pacquiao became a congressman, he is lucky when Manny became a pastor, he is lucky there was a thyphoon in the Philippines and Manny was distracted by that. He is lucky Roach is on a losing streak, he is lucky Ariza did not do S&C properly with Manny. He is lucky he wasn't caught with PEDS, he is lucky Beristain is still alive to coach him, he is lucky Memo joined his team. He is lucky that he is more powerful now.

Everything that needed to happen for him to deliver a punch that he has thrown thousands of time against Manny and throughout his 2decades of professional boxing career including countless hours training happened at 2:59 of the sixth round. It was just luck!

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Because other wise, there is no legitimate KO in boxing. Every KO should be a lucky KO punch.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Ponche de Frutas (Fruit Lucky Punch)

"This Mexican punch is quite flavorful. With or without the fruit floating in your glass, it makes for a nice beverage.

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In a large punch bowl, combine orange juice, lemon juice, grapes, plums and pineapple. Stir in sugar. Pour in tea and crushed ice.

You can add more Rhum for a little spirit of alcohol to become like this---> :drinking:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:04 am 
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it wasnt a lucky punched t'was a project punch.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:28 am 
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To TS, the explanation is simple. Manny is ahead 5 rounds to 3, including the 6th round. Until Marquez hit the lucky punch. If Manny was too careful and won the decision, we knew who will comeout victorious. He dominated the fight and we all knew we saw the 27-year old Manny.
But it was overconfidence that dropped Manny. In the sixth round, Manny thinks Marquez has nothing left. That's why he attacked Marquez at the end of the round, pressuring Marquez. Marquez was smart, he is baiting Manny that he is weak. Until he get what he wanted. BOOM! He was lucky. If we saw the careful Manny, the one we saw in the third fight then Marquez will be in big trouble.

What Manny lacks in the fourth fight? It's the defense. Manny restored his old self but didn't retain his improved defense.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:21 pm 
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bringpacmantobigd wrote:
A lot of people still in denial, still can't accept a simple fact. You will always find reason to convince yourself that the little things that happened around that punch (stepping, tripping, lousy jabbing, carelessness, over aggressiveness, broken nose, the one second remaining, Pacquiao leading the fight, etc.) is all about luck.

Marquez was lucky Manny agreed to a 4th fight, he got lucky Arum set up the fight, he got lucky Pacquiao became a congressman, he is lucky when Manny became a pastor, he is lucky there was a thyphoon in the Philippines and Manny was distracted by that. He is lucky Roach is on a losing streak, he is lucky Ariza did not do S&C properly with Manny. He is lucky he wasn't caught with PEDS, he is lucky Beristain is still alive to coach him, he is lucky Memo joined his team. He is lucky that he is more powerful now.

Everything that needed to happen for him to deliver a punch that he has thrown thousands of time against Manny and throughout his 2decades of professional boxing career including countless hours training happened at 2:59 of the sixth round. It was just luck!

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Because other wise, there is no legitimate KO in boxing. Every KO should be a lucky KO punch.

This.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:25 pm 
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its more of a desperation Punch... :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:41 pm 
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for the previous 5 rounds and 2:58 before the 6th. That punch wasn't connecting and JMM was being beaten up and bloodied. Then WHAM!! Lucky punch nga.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:51 am 
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bringpacmantobigd wrote:
A lot of people still in denial, still can't accept a simple fact. You will always find reason to convince yourself that the little things that happened around that punch (stepping, tripping, lousy jabbing, carelessness, over aggressiveness, broken nose, the one second remaining, Pacquiao leading the fight, etc.) is all about luck.

Marquez was lucky Manny agreed to a 4th fight, he got lucky Arum set up the fight, he got lucky Pacquiao became a congressman, he is lucky when Manny became a pastor, he is lucky there was a thyphoon in the Philippines and Manny was distracted by that. He is lucky Roach is on a losing streak, he is lucky Ariza did not do S&C properly with Manny. He is lucky he wasn't caught with PEDS, he is lucky Beristain is still alive to coach him, he is lucky Memo joined his team. He is lucky that he is more powerful now.

Everything that needed to happen for him to deliver a punch that he has thrown thousands of time against Manny and throughout his 2decades of professional boxing career including countless hours training happened at 2:59 of the sixth round. It was just luck!

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Because other wise, there is no legitimate KO in boxing. Every KO should be a lucky KO punch.



Agree!


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:54 am 
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Blazing Speed wrote:

me punto ka...
lucky is synonymous to =tsamba, bullseye cherry, etc.

it was all perfect -perfect timing, perfect position on Pacs mouth while he's on perfect bad position (salubong talaga)...
therefore =that was lucky!
again, if he's going to repeat that on pac (on next fight, he'll able put him to sleep again)... it wasn't a lucky punch anymore!



How about the KD in 3rd round? Was that a "lucky punch" too?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:10 am 
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jamsky wrote:
Blazing Speed wrote:

me punto ka...
lucky is synonymous to =tsamba, bullseye cherry, etc.

it was all perfect -perfect timing, perfect position on Pacs mouth while he's on perfect bad position (salubong talaga)...
therefore =that was lucky!
again, if he's going to repeat that on pac (on next fight, he'll able put him to sleep again)... it wasn't a lucky punch anymore!



How about the KD in 3rd round? Was that a "lucky punch" too?


not lucky bcoz pac bounce back where jmm was also kd, and until the last sec of 6th round


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:30 am 
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Not a lucky punch. It was a perfectly timed, accurate punch.

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