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Where will you rank Pacquiao as ATG?
1-3 79%  79%  [ 31 ]
4-6 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
7-10 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
11-15 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
16-20 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
21-25 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
26+ 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:39 am 
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Pacman is the true GOAT of boxing!! Bar none!! You can combine the accomplishments of Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong into one and its still not enough to match manny's resume. The only thing missing in pac's resume is..... he's not American.. if he's American, he would've been considered the boxing's true GOAT by American boxing analysts/journalists/fans, since the margarito win. They just can't accept the fact that the sport they created is not being dominated im terms of greatness by an American, but a 5.5 foot Filipino. Pac's greatness transcends boxing and that is why nobody can surpass his godly boxing status in a long while. At least not in our lifetime.. Here, check some of the GOAT's acconplishments that attribute to his greatness.

- a flyweight world champion
- a junior featherweight world champion
- a featherweight world champion
- a super featherweight world champion
- a lightweight world champion
- a super lightweight world champion
- a junior welterweight world champion
- a welterweight champion
- a super welterweight champion
- the only 8 division world champion
- Lineal world flyweight champion
- Lineal world featherweight champion
- Lineal world super featherweight champion
- Lineal light welterweight champion
- Lineal world welterweight champion
- the only 5 division lineal champ
- the only fighter to win 12 major world titles
- fighter of the decade (by BWAA, WBC, WBO) in 2000's
- 3 times fighter of the year (by BWAA & Ring Magazine)
- ranked as best fighter by ESPY (2009 & 2011)
- ranked as greatest asian fighter (Boxrec)
- Sports Illustrated boxer of the year (2008 & 2009)
- fighter of the year by Yahoo! Sports (2008)
- top pound for pound fighter for 4 years, consecutive (2008-2011)
- oldest welterweight to ever win a world championship title
- the only fighter in the history of boxing that was a congressman and a world champ at the same time
- the only fighter in the history of boxing that is a senator and a world champ at the same time
- a humanitarian
- a philanthropist
- he started boxing as an extremely poor and malnourished kid who never had a boxing background and fought through adveristies of life to become the only 8 weight world champion
- he is one of the only 4 boxers, at age 40, to win a world championship in boxing history
- a true lightweight that should be fighting in that weightclass but decided to fight 2 weight classes above his, in welterweight division and dominated the big guys
- fought in 24 world titles
- one of the most drug tested boxer in history
- never ducked anybody
- a true boxing sportsman and a role model
- fought through 3 boxing generations
- first filipino fighter to win a lightweight world champion
- Sugar Ray Robinson Fighter of the year (2006, 2008 & 2009)
- a 40 year old boxer that defeated keith thurman, a 30-year old, undefeated, in his prime and a super elite fighter that has the current best record as far as oppossition goes in welterweight division.
- he held major world title belts in a record of 17 times
- was an actor and a world champion at the same time
- was a musician with 2 studio albums, 3 singles, 4 music videos and a world champion at the same time
- made the Time Magazine's "Most Influential People" list in 2009
- an olympic flag bearear (non participant) of his country (2008) and a world champion at the same time.
- Philippines has virtually zero crime rate when he fights
- became a basketball headcoach and a baskerbaml player of a PBA team, KIA. PBA is major basketball league from the Philippines that's equivalent to the United States' NBA. He did this while he was a world boxing champion.
- made the 2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) list (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)
- made Yahoo! Sports "Boxing's Most Influential" (2010)
- has the Guinness World Records Most boxing world titles in different weight divisions (since November 13, 2010) 
- made Reader's Digest Asia Pacific Most Trusted Personality list (2013)
- ranked as the best pound for pound fighter of the decade by WBO (2001-2010)
- HBO fighter of the decade
- made the Ask Men "Most Influential Men" (2009)

PAC'S THE TRUE BOXING'S GOAT!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:15 pm 
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A good account why SRR has been No. 1 in ATG list..........

THE RING: SUGAR RAY ROBINSON VERSUS THE HALL OF FAME

As a professional, he annexed the middleweight championship a record five times, and that was after ruling the welterweight division between 1946 and 1950. His final career record was 174-19-6 (109 KOs) and that glorious career lasted an incredible 25 years. Not all of Robinson’s 201 fights came against great opponents. However, the original Sugar Ray threw down against 12 future Hall of Famers over 29 fights and went 21-7-1. If you’re looking for some perspective, Muhammad Ali took on eight Hall of Famers over 13 fights and went 10-3.

https://www.ringtv.com/558590-sugar-ray ... l-of-fame/

Looks like Pacquiao's gonna match SRR's 25 years of prizefighting but unlike SRR who at 40s lost 5 of his last 12 fights, Pac though losing 4 in last 12 fights (well, that included 2 dubious losses to Horn and Bradley) is still beating prime welters.

Now, let’s check Pac’s showdowns with fellow greats and future HOFers.


W L D
1st BALLOT HOF
Barrera 2 0 0
Morales 2 1 0
Marquez 2 1 1
dela Hoya 1 0 0
Cotto 1 0 0
Mosley 1 0 0
Floyd 0 1 0

POSSIBLE HOF
Hatton 1 0 0
Bradley 2 1 0
Thurman 1 0 0
TOTAL 13 4 1

SRR went 21-7-1 vs. 12 fellow HOFers while Ali 10-3 over 8 HOFers. Pac is currently 13-4-1 over 10 possible HOFers. If you take a closer look at the losses, he only lost clearly to Morales and to a Hulking Marquez (you know what I mean), also to IV-ed Mayweather (you know what I mean) with an injured shoulder. The draw with Marquez was also controversial (the one judge scoring it 10-7 in Round 1 instead of 10-6 coz of 3 KDs). But still 13-4-1 is really impressive considering Pac is always the smaller guy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:47 pm 
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Duncan wrote:
A good account why SRR has been No. 1 in ATG list..........

THE RING: SUGAR RAY ROBINSON VERSUS THE HALL OF FAME

As a professional, he annexed the middleweight championship a record five times, and that was after ruling the welterweight division between 1946 and 1950. His final career record was 174-19-6 (109 KOs) and that glorious career lasted an incredible 25 years. Not all of Robinson’s 201 fights came against great opponents. However, the original Sugar Ray threw down against 12 future Hall of Famers over 29 fights and went 21-7-1. If you’re looking for some perspective, Muhammad Ali took on eight Hall of Famers over 13 fights and went 10-3.

https://www.ringtv.com/558590-sugar-ray ... l-of-fame/

Looks like Pacquiao's gonna match SRR's 25 years of prizefighting but unlike SRR who at 40s lost 5 of his last 12 fights, Pac though losing 4 in last 12 fights (well, that included 2 dubious losses to Horn and Bradley) is still beating prime welters.

Now, let’s check Pac’s showdowns with fellow greats and future HOFers.


W L D
1st BALLOT HOF
Barrera 2 0 0
Morales 2 1 0
Marquez 2 1 1
dela Hoya 1 0 0
Cotto 1 0 0
Mosley 1 0 0
Floyd 0 1 0

POSSIBLE HOF
Hatton 1 0 0
Bradley 2 1 0
Thurman 1 0 0
TOTAL 13 4 1

SRR went 21-7-1 vs. 12 fellow HOFers while Ali 10-3 over 8 HOFers. Pac is currently 13-4-1 over 10 possible HOFers. If you take a closer look at the losses, he only lost clearly to Morales and to a Hulking Marquez (you know what I mean), also to IV-ed Mayweather (you know what I mean) with an injured shoulder. The draw with Marquez was also controversial (the one judge scoring it 10-7 in Round 1 instead of 10-6 coz of 3 KDs). But still 13-4-1 is really impressive considering Pac is always the smaller guy.


Thurman a HoFer? AB has better chance at this point...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:46 am 
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SRR is a huge 5'11.5 "welterweight. Compared to pac who is only 5'.5". Plus pac transcends boxing that's why he is a cut above the rest of ATG under him.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:34 am 
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boxing was not "created" by the Americans...


the "Marquess of Queensberry" Rules were drafted in London in 1865, the code of rules on which modern boxing is based :bounce1:

washburnrce wrote:
Pacman is the true GOAT of boxing!! Bar none!! You can combine the accomplishments of Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong into one and its still not enough to match manny's resume. The only thing missing in pac's resume is..... he's not American.. if he's American, he would've been considered the boxing's true GOAT by American boxing analysts/journalists/fans, since the margarito win. They just can't accept the fact that the sport they created is not being dominated im terms of greatness by an American, but a 5.5 foot Filipino. Pac's greatness transcends boxing and that is why nobody can surpass his godly boxing status in a long while. At least not in our lifetime.. Here, check some of the GOAT's acconplishments that attribute to his greatness.

- a flyweight world champion
- a junior featherweight world champion
- a featherweight world champion
- a super featherweight world champion
- a lightweight world champion
- a super lightweight world champion
- a junior welterweight world champion
- a welterweight champion
- a super welterweight champion
- the only 8 division world champion
- Lineal world flyweight champion
- Lineal world featherweight champion
- Lineal world super featherweight champion
- Lineal light welterweight champion
- Lineal world welterweight champion
- the only 5 division lineal champ
- the only fighter to win 12 major world titles
- fighter of the decade (by BWAA, WBC, WBO) in 2000's
- 3 times fighter of the year (by BWAA & Ring Magazine)
- ranked as best fighter by ESPY (2009 & 2011)
- ranked as greatest asian fighter (Boxrec)
- Sports Illustrated boxer of the year (2008 & 2009)
- fighter of the year by Yahoo! Sports (2008)
- top pound for pound fighter for 4 years, consecutive (2008-2011)
- oldest welterweight to ever win a world championship title
- the only fighter in the history of boxing that was a congressman and a world champ at the same time
- the only fighter in the history of boxing that is a senator and a world champ at the same time
- a humanitarian
- a philanthropist
- he started boxing as an extremely poor and malnourished kid who never had a boxing background and fought through adveristies of life to become the only 8 weight world champion
- he is one of the only 4 boxers, at age 40, to win a world championship in boxing history
- a true lightweight that should be fighting in that weightclass but decided to fight 2 weight classes above his, in welterweight division and dominated the big guys
- fought in 24 world titles
- one of the most drug tested boxer in history
- never ducked anybody
- a true boxing sportsman and a role model
- fought through 3 boxing generations
- first filipino fighter to win a lightweight world champion
- Sugar Ray Robinson Fighter of the year (2006, 2008 & 2009)
- a 40 year old boxer that defeated keith thurman, a 30-year old, undefeated, in his prime and a super elite fighter that has the current best record as far as oppossition goes in welterweight division.
- he held major world title belts in a record of 17 times
- was an actor and a world champion at the same time
- was a musician with 2 studio albums, 3 singles, 4 music videos and a world champion at the same time
- made the Time Magazine's "Most Influential People" list in 2009
- an olympic flag bearear (non participant) of his country (2008) and a world champion at the same time.
- Philippines has virtually zero crime rate when he fights
- became a basketball headcoach and a baskerbaml player of a PBA team, KIA. PBA is major basketball league from the Philippines that's equivalent to the United States' NBA. He did this while he was a world boxing champion.
- made the 2009, 2010 and 2012 Forbes Magazine Celebrity 100 (The World's Most Powerful Celebrity) list (ranked 57th, 55th and 33rd)
- made Yahoo! Sports "Boxing's Most Influential" (2010)
- has the Guinness World Records Most boxing world titles in different weight divisions (since November 13, 2010)
- made Reader's Digest Asia Pacific Most Trusted Personality list (2013)
- ranked as the best pound for pound fighter of the decade by WBO (2001-2010)
- HBO fighter of the decade
- made the Ask Men "Most Influential Men" (2009)

PAC'S THE TRUE BOXING'S GOAT!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:42 am 
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washburnrce wrote:
SRR is a huge 5'11.5 "welterweight. Compared to pac who is only 5'.5". Plus pac transcends boxing that's why he is a cut above the rest of ATG under him.
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Spot on pre, Manny is in fact smaller than the late great Pernell Sweat Pea Whitaker. I think Pac is the smallest welterweight of all time.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:45 am 
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Pac to date has beaten 22 world champs (former, current or future champs at diff. weights).
SRR has only defeated 16 world champs.

"PACQUIAO HAS DEFEATED 22 WORLD CHAMPIONS"

http://philboxing.com/news/story-146073.html


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:49 am 
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This bio from Wikipedia alone makes Pac the #1 ATG:

"He is the only eight-division world champion in the history of boxing, having won twelve major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight classes. Pacquiao is also the first boxer in history to win major world titles in four of the eight "glamour divisions" of boxing: flyweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight."


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I personally don't have an all-time great list, so I can't really personally rank Manny's all-time standing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:33 am 
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The.Equalizer wrote:
I personally don't have an all-time great list, so I can't really personally rank Manny's all-time standing.


You should have a list pre........
It's what makes all sports even more exciting like in basketball and here in boxing........
Of course there's no absolute ATG list but only opinions from wannabes to experts :) who follow the game they love........


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:17 pm 
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Duncan wrote:
The.Equalizer wrote:
I personally don't have an all-time great list, so I can't really personally rank Manny's all-time standing.


You should have a list pre........
It's what makes all sports even more exciting like in basketball and here in boxing........
Of course there's no absolute ATG list but only opinions from wannabes to experts :) who follow the game they love........

oo nga bro, kaso sa ngayon I feel I still have a lot to catch up on before I can truly appreciate the careers of some of the all-time greats who fought as far back as the 1930's, '40's et cetera...and so inevitably whatever list I come up with will just be biased towards the modern-day greats...

agree on the opinion angle regarding these lists, of course opinions that are more well-informed normally argue their case for themselves :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:37 pm 
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dan44 wrote:
Kailangan niyang talunin si Gayweather para sure na nasa top # 1- 3 siya :)



beating crawford or spence at this time will put manny the consensus Fighter of the decade (2011-2020). he was the fighter of the decade last time (2001-2010). it will be an amazing feat that till take million years again to be duplicated

he will also be the GOAT

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:46 pm 
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When Sugar Ray and Armstrong were fighting, there were only 8 world titles.
There were THOUSANDS of boxing gyms in the US.
Armatrong held 3 of the 8 titles one time.
And those were all lineal titles.
And he was robbed against Garcia at 160.
He defended the welter belt 17 times iirc.

Today you have several dozen titles.


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Duncan wrote:
This bio from Wikipedia alone makes Pac the #1 ATG:

"He is the only eight-division world champion in the history of boxing, having won twelve major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight classes. Pacquiao is also the first boxer in history to win major world titles in four of the eight "glamour divisions" of boxing: flyweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight."

Pac did not win an official title at 126.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:52 pm 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
When Sugar Ray and Armstrong were fighting, there were only 8 world titles.
There were THOUSANDS of boxing gyms in the US.
Armatrong held 3 of the 8 titles one time.
And those were all lineal titles.
And he was robbed against Garcia at 160.
He defended the welter belt 17 times iirc.

Today you have several dozen titles.



and yet, even then, only pac managed to win 4 lineal titles from original 8 world titles
not even SRR

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