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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:36 pm 
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i think freddie is still the greatest trainer around. he's trained more than 30 champions under his belt. at the end of the day it all comes down to the fighters - how well they train and how well they listen and follow instructions. pacquiao is the perfect example. when he started training with freddie he was all ears. then he started winning. whether we admit it or not his success got to his head. if you noticed the fights where pacquiao didn't perform as well he didn't listen as much he used to in training and in the ring. the latest example was julio cesar chavez jr. because he doesn't listen he got his *** whoop.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:41 pm 
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greatest trainer yes.
but not that good.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Icecream wrote:

greatest trainer yes.
but not that good.



Pardon me, but sounds like an oxymoron.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:44 am 
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maybe, maybe not... but whichever the case is, the Chavez VS Martinez fight won't be the reason...
Roach's instruction was right on the money. Jr. should have thrown his punches as Martinez throws his.
That should have given Chavez the best chance of catching the elusive Martinez. Unfortunately though,
Jr. wasn't able to execute until the final seconds of the fight..

It wasn't Roach's fault.. It's not entirely Jr.'s fault either... I believe it's simply because Martinez was just a great fighter.. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:51 am 
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koala wrote:
i think freddie is still the greatest trainer around. he's trained more than 30 champions under his belt. at the end of the day it all comes down to the fighters - how well they train and how well they listen and follow instructions. pacquiao is the perfect example. when he started training with freddie he was all ears. then he started winning. whether we admit it or not his success got to his head. if you noticed the fights where pacquiao didn't perform as well he didn't listen as much he used to in training and in the ring. the latest example was julio cesar chavez jr. because he doesn't listen he got his *** whoop.


I think Pacquiao could have been great anyway even if it was another world class trainer who trained him... He had the tools, and most importantly, the conviction to execute a plan... Had he been with Mayweather, Beristain, Diaz, Richardson, Steward, etc., he still would have been great (IMHO)...I don't think there's anything that Roach knows that the other top trainers don't... It's just a matter of their fighters being able to execute the plan...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:51 am 
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Icecream wrote:
greatest trainer yes.
but not that good.


bwahahahahha greatest trainer ha.. but not good... lol!!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:50 am 
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Roach is underrated like Coach Eric S :D

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:09 am 
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great boxing trainer... YES

miracle worker... NO

As a boxing fan... We always have a keen eye on talent everytime we see one...Some of us can also identify those who lack it...

Roach was identified as a trainer that revives career after failure or create luster in absence of opporunites...he can only do much....


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:08 pm 
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Roach training skills(forward and punch) was now exposed. Marquez strategy is to go backward then counter punch is very effective against Pac's forward and punch fight style


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