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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:20 pm 
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JMM winning or a draw are also not impossible, but for JMM or others to say that it was "robbery" was plain emotional outburst on their part.


100% i'm with you on this. It's just a matter of whom you will give the close rounds. For me total of 4 rounds can go either way. 4 Rounds each clearly for both.

In the end still unfinished business. Bob Arum is the happiest in MP vs. JMM 3 result.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:23 pm 
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really...every close round you gave to Pacquiao? all due respect, Marquez landed the more effective blows in many close rounds and i listed them all in my thread. Pac was "aggressive" but he wasnt landing anything of note


again, you are using something you don't understand.....effective punch? a punch is only effective if it knocked down the recepient....did JMM do that? if not, then there's no such thing.....

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:44 pm 
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scored it also 116-112
i gave marquez round # 2
i think pac swept rounds 10-12 :)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:55 pm 
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douple post... my bad

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:06 pm 
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Im late but here is how I scored it

Round 1 Pacquiao
Round 2 JMM (could be given to Pacquiao)
Round 3 Pacquiao
Round 4 Pacquiao
Round 5 JMM
Round 6 Pacquiao
Round 7 JMM
Round 8 JMM
Round 9 JMM (could be given to Pacquiao)
Round 10 Pacquiao
Round 11 Pacquiao (even round)
Round 12 Pacquiao

115 - 113 for Pacquiao

Although the fight is close, it would be more of a robbery if they awarded the fight to Marquez.

One thing is for sure though, the fight wasn't exciting at all.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:58 am 
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DahilTaoLamang wrote:
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The guy who had it 116-112 gave the last round to JMM. :shock:
So he had Pac winning 8 rounds of the 11 rounds.
:shock:

Neither one won 8 rounds.
How can a fight be that close if one guy won 8 rounds ?


The analysis here is about too many close rounds which can be interpreted differently and doesn't mean the end-result would be a close score.

So it tends to justify the lone judge decision who gave 116-112.

ANd how did he give the last round to JMM ?
But not the other CLOSER rounds ?
The 12th round clearly looked Pac took it as JMM didn't do much.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:18 am 
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I score the fight for the pacman 116-112,
I based my score from the HBO-PPV HD version MKV video format of the fight its a crystal clear video and viewed it 3 times...you have to give the winner of every round a 10 point while 9 for the loser in a 10 point must scoring system judging... the tabulation:

round 1: pacman 10 - jmm 9
round 2: pacman 9 - jmm 10
round 3: pacman 10 - jmm 9
round 4: pacman 10 - jmm 9
round 5: pacman 9 - jmm 10
round 6: pacman 10 - jmm 9
round 7: pacman 9 - jmm 10
round 8: pacman 10- jmm 9
round 9: pacman 10 - jmm 9
round10: pacman 10 - jmm 9
round11: pacman 9 - jmm 10
round12: pacman 10 - jmm 9

pacman 116 : jmm 112

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:35 am 
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Yes but you are not ringside and you are not a judge?



FAIL :biglaugh:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:09 am 
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This is my scorecards.

For every punch that lands cleanly, I give one point to that person and then if they other person hits cleanly again, the point goes back to even. Whoever lands the most in the round, I give them that round. This is probably the hardest fight to score because it was so dead even.

Here they are:

RD 1:Pacquiao
2: Marquez
3:Pacquiao
4:Pacquiao
5:Marquez
6:Marquez
7:Marquez
8:Marquez
9:draw, could go either way
10:draw, could go either way
11:draw, could go either way
12:Marquez

So I already had Marquez winning 6 rounds and if those three draws went to Pacquiao, I had it at even. I'm not going to lie, but sometimes I really don't trust the compubox because it seems Pacquiao didn't even land that many, but then he got credit for a lot, not disrespect though. This has happened to me a couple of times especially in Mayweather fights. This is the first time, I actually scored for Marquez. The first time I had Pacquiao winning by 1 point. The rematch I had Pacquiao winning by 1 point, but I don't really think I saw any significant punches that Pacquiao landed. Yes Pacquiao was aggressive, but when he got countered, he did back off. I am a true Pacquiao fan, but I'm not afraid to say that I think Pacquiao may have lost this one. It's open to interpretation and that's how I'll interpret mine.

I would love to see another go at it again and see Manny go all Marvin Hagler on Marquez, the way Hagler took out Hearns. But we'll have to wait and see cuz the champ needs to rest and get his team on track. No distractions!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:55 am 
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I can accept that score also


but judges refrain from having 10-10 rounds they usually declares a winner.



116-112 MANNY PACQUIAO!!

with preference to aggression and shots landed

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:58 am 
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miron_lang wrote:
Finally finished the fight today and WTF?? I must have watched a different fight compared to those people blabbering about how good JMM got robbed :(


I watch and replayed each round without audio and written all time marks of the hits. If any of you want to dispute on how i score it. then i am all for it. bring it.


Round 1 Pacquiao ( Slightly Clear )
Round 2 Pacquiao ( Could have gone either way )
Round 3 Pacquiao ( Could have gone either way )
Round 4 Pacquiao ( Slightly clear )
Round 5 Marquez ( Clear )
Round 6 Pacquao ( Could have gone either way )
Round 7 Marquez ( Clear )
Round 8 Marquez ( Could have gone either way )
Round 9 Pacquiao ( Terribly close Could have gone either way )
Round 10 Pacquio ( Terribly close Could have gone either way )
Round 11 Marquez ( Terribly close Could go either way *Right hand by JMM cliched it at the end )
Round 12 Pacquiao ( Slightly Clear )


How i score it
1. Clear and harder blows weigh more. I like harder shots than beautiful counters
2. If its all even i gave it to the aggressor who brings the fight for if he doesnt and both of them waited. it would be a dull fight.
* Most judges have this criteria


Official Judge for the fight Glen Trowbridge had it 116-112 as well
so is Harold Ledderman who is also an official judge

If we swing all the extremely close rounds we'll end up 115-113 for Juan Manuel Marquez


so any score between 116-112 to 114-114 is a good score. I repeat any of the following is a GOOD SCORING for this FIGHT.


116-112 for Pacquiao up to 116-112 for Marquez.


What happened

1. Crowd is at least 75% mexican who moaned and scream at every JMM combination and mute at Pac's expolits
2. the whole crowd and the viewers inclyuding those fighters watching were expecting Pac to blew JMM out of the water
3. All other people are cheerleading for Marquez that muted and influenced some of the filipinos lol


Tama!
Best explanation so far

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:04 am 
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i watched it primetime the commentators sucks better without audio

PACMAN WON it judges decisions are official

more punches landed by Pacquiao to beat a good counter puncher

time to move on and hopefully Floyd will be next

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:13 am 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
DahilTaoLamang wrote:
JoeyInCali wrote:
The guy who had it 116-112 gave the last round to JMM. :shock:
So he had Pac winning 8 rounds of the 11 rounds.
:shock:

Neither one won 8 rounds.
How can a fight be that close if one guy won 8 rounds ?


The analysis here is about too many close rounds which can be interpreted differently and doesn't mean the end-result would be a close score.

So it tends to justify the lone judge decision who gave 116-112.

ANd how did he give the last round to JMM ?
But not the other CLOSER rounds ?
The 12th round clearly looked Pac took it as JMM didn't do much.


The theory by one sportswriter is "seemingly" that the judge was on Bob's payroll or perhaps gambled in favour of MP so in order not to make things too obvious, he gave the 12th to Marquez. :)

Nah, judges sit on different sides and the body positioning of boxers sometimes mislead someone into thinking the other has an upper-hand.

Actually, an artificial intelligence sofware can replace the judges by filling in the parameters. These includes among others thermally analysing the impact of punches to their bodies plus slow-mo analysis.

However, if we do that, that would take out the drama of the game.


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DahilTaoLamang wrote:


The theory by one sportswriter is "seemingly" that the judge was on Bob's payroll or perhaps gambled in favour of MP so in order not to make things too obvious, he gave the 12th to Marquez. :)

Nah, judges sit on different sides and the body positioning of boxers sometimes mislead someone into thinking the other has an upper-hand.

Actually, an artificial intelligence sofware can replace the judges by filling in the parameters. These includes among others thermally analysing the impact of punches to their bodies plus slow-mo analysis.

However, if we do that, that would take out the drama of the game.



If i have to chose w/c to defend among the official score i would choose Trowbridge's 116-112.

Why? because its the most consistent. close fight doest automatically equate close scoring.


By consistently prefering the style of your choice means a judge is not being influenced on the final tally.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:15 pm 
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keywizard74 wrote:
cyraxx wrote:
Yes but you are not ringside and you are not a judge?



FAIL :biglaugh:


of course he is not RINGSIDE, mod miron is a human :lol: :lol: :lol:

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