Pacland's Philippine Boxing Forum

Discussion on boxing and other sports, Filipino greats and anything under the sun.
It is currently Fri May 24, 2013 10:53 am

All times are UTC + 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 84 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:14 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 2593
Location: L.A.
As what I have observed, Manny Pacquiao seemed like he was not 100 percent conditioned physically when he fought Tim Bradley.

Manny Pacquiao looked bloated and heavy. I reviewed his fights with Miguel Cotto Joshua Clottey and I saw a different Manny Pacquiao in those two fights.

Against Cotto and Clottey, Manny Pacquiao bounces up and down on his toes like Mohammad Ali, a clear sign that he was physically well-conditioned in those fights. Pacquiao also threw a lot of power punches and combinations which was evidently lacking in Bradley fight.

Pacquiao also looked tired in the 10th, 11th, and 12th rounds which was not evident in Cotto and Clottey fights. Could this be a sign that the Father time is catching up with the great Manny Pacquiao or just a case of him taking Bradley lightly by training only for 6 weeks instead of regular 8 weeks.

If we compare the Manny Pacquiao who fought Cotto and Clottey... The Pacquiao who fought Bradley last June 9 was just 70 to 80 percent of his usual fighting form. But despite of that, I completely agree that Pacquiao clearly beat Timothy Bradley in that fight.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:20 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 2593
Location: L.A.
Bradley threw a lot of punches in the later rounds. And although they were just hitting Pacquiao's gloves and elbows, they were still eye-catching to the judges...

If only Manny Pacquiao was physically conditioned 100 percent, I think Bradley should have went down before round 6...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:21 am 
Offline
Middleweight
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:05 am
Posts: 713
that is a good assessment TS !!! I obversved the same thing. But really Manny is already old and cannot become his old self again. From this recent training, they did not train too hard inorder to avoid cramping. And i think this method worked. But we cannot deny Manny is not longer fast and furious. I think the respected analyst Al Bernstein also talked about this same subject ! Manny no longer throwing 1000 punches, no longer throwing combinations, and getting tired faster ! theres really nothing Manny can do about this it is a sign he only has a few fights left. One against Bradley or Marquez then the finale against Floyd!!!!

_________________
If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. (Mark Twain)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:26 am 
Offline
Heavyweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 15837
Location: Paradise
I think he needs to go back to 140.

_________________
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world.
Those who know binary code and those who don't.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:30 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 2593
Location: L.A.
Timothy Bradley looked like he was faster than Manny Pacquiao in the later rounds throwing a lot of soft punches. But those punches were just seemed like pillows being thrown at Pacman.

Bradley learned from his amateur days on how to throw eye-catching punches without even hitting the opoenent cleanly just to get a score from the judges. That's what he did in the later rounds against Pacman.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:43 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 2593
Location: L.A.
jogar84 wrote:
that is a good assessment TS !!! I obversved the same thing. But really Manny is already old and cannot become his old self again. From this recent training, they did not train too hard inorder to avoid cramping. And i think this method worked. But we cannot deny Manny is not longer fast and furious. I think the respected analyst Al Bernstein also talked about this same subject ! Manny no longer throwing 1000 punches, no longer throwing combinations, and getting tired faster ! theres really nothing Manny can do about this it is a sign he only has a few fights left. One against Bradley or Marquez then the finale against Floyd!!!!


The Poll here in Pacland shows that majority of the Pacquiao fans wants him to pursue the Mayweather fight...

And second to the majority of Pacquiao fans wants him to retire...

I totally agree with the result of this Poll...

Manny Pacquiao has already done so much in boxing, there's nothing left to prove. Pacquiao will go down in the history as one of the greatest of all time. He is without a question, in the same breath as Sugar Ray Robinson and Mohammad Ali.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:50 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:23 pm
Posts: 2593
Location: L.A.
JoeyInCali wrote:
I think he needs to go back to 140.


Manny Pacquiao weighted 144-145 lbs in Cotto and Clottey fights. And he was 100 percent well-conditioned physically.

If Pacquiao could no longer reach that same kind of conditioning, I would pressume that the father time has already catch up with our great Manny Pacquiao...

And although I'm a very big fan of The Pacman, I would advise him to retire at this point in time for him to be able to enjoy the fruit of his labor!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:05 am 
Offline
Heavyweight
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 8392
Location: Ejumacating Pacland
I think it's just old legs. I don't know if he's still capable of fighting the whole 3 minutes
of every round. Or maybe he was worried that his legs will cramp up again so he paced
himself....but it was obvious in the Bradley fight that he would wait until the last minute
or so of every round before getting aggressive.

_________________

Lakers thread....where the haters don't believe in offseason


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:32 am 
Offline
Heavyweight
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 15837
Location: Paradise
CPK-MB wrote:
JoeyInCali wrote:
I think he needs to go back to 140.


Manny Pacquiao weighted 144-145 lbs in Cotto and Clottey fights. And he was 100 percent well-conditioned physically.

If Pacquiao could no longer reach that same kind of conditioning, I would pressume that the father time has already catch up with our great Manny Pacquiao...

And although I'm a very big fan of The Pacman, I would advise him to retire at this point in time for him to be able to enjoy the fruit of his labor!

That's with extra 1000-2000 calories a day of protein shake.

_________________
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world.
Those who know binary code and those who don't.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:21 am 
Offline
Featherweight
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:42 pm
Posts: 53
I believe that Manny can rebound from his last performance if given a good and challenging opponent.. :)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:22 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:37 am
Posts: 2708
Location: pitong bundok
Pacquiao is just old. Let's face it, since the Mosley fight
he hasn't been the same "Destroyer". Not even Pacquiao
can fight age.

_________________
"We are all animals still fighting for the best space in the truck that carries us over to the slaughterhouse." -- Lars Von Trier


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:00 am 
Offline
Heavyweight
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:24 pm
Posts: 14125
Location: AAA
This is why most people wants him to just retire.
While he is still on top.
lf Manny can't go back to his usual form, there's no point in facing Mayweather.
We all want Pac to beat the hell out of him, but after his last few fights,
there's no more guarantee to that happening.

Manny has done so much in the sport, there's nothing else to prove,
unless he still needs the purse for political purposes.

_________________
Outwork your talent.
-Kevin McHale


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:05 am 
Offline
Strawweight
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:51 am
Posts: 5
Location: Socal
CPK-MB wrote:
As what I have observed, Manny Pacquiao seemed like he was not 100 percent conditioned physically when he fought Tim Bradley.

Manny Pacquiao looked bloated and heavy. I reviewed his fights with Miguel Cotto Joshua Clottey and I saw a different Manny Pacquiao in those two fights.

Against Cotto and Clottey, Manny Pacquiao bounces up and down on his toes like Mohammad Ali, a clear sign that he was physically well-conditioned in those fights. Pacquiao also threw a lot of power punches and combinations which was evidently lacking in Bradley fight.

Pacquiao also looked tired in the 10th, 11th, and 12th rounds which was not evident in Cotto and Clottey fights. Could this be a sign that the Father time is catching up with the great Manny Pacquiao or just a case of him taking Bradley lightly by training only for 6 weeks instead of regular 8 weeks.

If we compare the Manny Pacquiao who fought Cotto and Clottey... The Pacquiao who fought Bradley last June 9 was just 70 to 80 percent of his usual fighting form. But despite of that, I completely agree that Pacquiao clearly beat Timothy Bradley in that fight.


+1 troponin :D
Cong. Pacquiao really needs to increase his conditioning for his last 3 fights so he can preserve his GFOT legacy.

The griffith park runs seem to be comfortable for him. He needs to run/sprint the same distances but twice the elevation(like Bradley).

Inconsistent follow throughs to his landed power shots from rds. 3-9 also seemed new. Granted, Bradley is fast and slippery but it seemed that
Cong. Pacquiao did not try to finish him. I don't know if it's due to fatigue, lack of respect, overconfidence, maawa, etc.

Also surprising was Bradley's ablility to jab through Cong. Pacquiao's arms in the late rounds and snap his head back.

Hopefully, he'll be inspired and regain his dominant form in his future fights.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:47 am 
Online
Welterweight
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:53 pm
Posts: 469
ako_barok wrote:
Pacquiao is just old. Let's face it, since the Mosley fight
he hasn't been the same "Destroyer". Not even Pacquiao
can fight age.


take note even canelo (who has more power than pacman) couldn't destroy mosley. mosley doesnt want to lose by being stopped kaya lose creatively by run run run.

father time has indeed caught up with pacman. imho, pac needs a tune up fight before hitting november 10.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:57 am 
Offline
Cruiserweight
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:08 pm
Posts: 2117
Location: Caprica
I thought that according to Ariza, it was planned to not be so lean for the fight to see if it would help the leg cramps. Pacquiao decided to weigh in at 147. Had he decided to weigh at 144, He would have looked as he did previously. I think Pacquiao was just bored during that fight.

_________________
"Life is like riding a bicycle - to keep your balance, you must keep moving" (Albert Einstein).


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 84 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

All times are UTC + 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

philboxing.com | pinoygreats.com
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group