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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:29 pm 
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The time has come. The crucial test has been hurdled with class and excellence.

For years writers and commentators were unconvinced of Pacman's skills and great accomplishments . . . unlesss . . . he fights a Sleek Black Boxer in His Prime.

Now the black story has been told, the sleek plot unravels . . .

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:40 pm 
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Yes you're right. I have heard this issue many years ago. And also enough of those "washed up, weight-drained opponents" issue. 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:50 pm 
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Bingo...don't forget undeafeated! Mayweather Sr. should acknowledge this since he brought it up years ago.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:06 pm 
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trustyler wrote:
Bingo...don't forget undeafeated! Mayweather Sr. should acknowledge this since he brought it up years ago.


Yes that's it, Mayweather Sr. was the source of this issue. Maybe it's just his way of saying indirectly that Pacquiao would not win against his son. But now, Pacquiao just showed that he can also outbox even a slick black fighter which increases his chance of beating FMJ.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:09 pm 
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Sleek... This is the number 1 reason why Pacman looked slow during their fight..

Bradley is no easy opponent..

He ducks and he has great footwork.

And Freddie Roach said in an interview..

Manny came in 149 bs during the fight and Bradley 160lbs.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:19 pm 
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eliboy wrote:
trustyler wrote:
Bingo...don't forget undeafeated! Mayweather Sr. should acknowledge this since he brought it up years ago.


Yes that's it, Mayweather Sr. was the source of this issue. Maybe it's just his way of saying indirectly that Pacquiao would not win against his son. But now, Pacquiao just showed that he can also outbox even a slick black fighter which increases his chance of beating FMJ.


Mayweather Sr. made that statement to discredit Manny's wins during that period saying that he isn't at par with Floyd. Because during these times, people were saying that whatever Floyd could do, Manny could do better (ie. TKO De La Hoya, KO Hatton, TKO Cotto, etc..). This was at the height of Manny's career and people wanted him to face Floyd Jr. So he tried to downplay Manny plus the fact that he didn't want his son to fight Pacquiao, which he has stated over and over again in the past even before he brought out the stupid doping allegations.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:28 pm 
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goldunderfire wrote:
Sleek... This is the number 1 reason why Pacman looked slow during their fight..

Bradley is no easy opponent..

He ducks and he has great footwork.

And Freddie Roach said in an interview..

Manny came in 149 bs during the fight and Bradley 160lbs.


Manny looked slow at times because he was throwing long looping shots at times. When he threw straight 1-2 punches and short hooks, he still looked fast. When he misses, he looks slow (everybody does). It's just the way it is because he has a tendency to overcommit. I think the fight was rather easy, apart from the round where Bradley rocked him in the 4th. And considering Roach wasn't prepared for Bradley's gameplan, I would say Manny did a good job boxing on his own despite not preparing for that style and adjusted very well at the latter part of the match (which many people used to criticize Manny couldn't do). Did Bradley really come in at 160lbs? I saw in the tale of the tape that Manny came in at 151lbs while Bradley came in at 152lbs.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:39 pm 
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trustyler wrote:
eliboy wrote:
trustyler wrote:
Bingo...don't forget undeafeated! Mayweather Sr. should acknowledge this since he brought it up years ago.


Yes that's it, Mayweather Sr. was the source of this issue. Maybe it's just his way of saying indirectly that Pacquiao would not win against his son. But now, Pacquiao just showed that he can also outbox even a slick black fighter which increases his chance of beating FMJ.


Mayweather Sr. made that statement to discredit Manny's wins during that period saying that he isn't at par with Floyd. Because during these times, people were saying that whatever Floyd could do, Manny could do better (ie. TKO De La Hoya, KO Hatton, TKO Cotto, etc..). This was at the height of Manny's career and people wanted him to face Floyd Jr. So he tried to downplay Manny plus the fact that he didn't want his son to fight Pacquiao, which he has stated over and over again in the past even before he brought out the stupid doping allegations.


Yes you're right. He's just being jealous of Pacquiao's accomplishments compared to his son's. Now, that argument is not valid anymore and the only way to prove that his son is better than Pacquiao is for them to finally agree and sign a contract and make that fight happen.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Bradley is a joke


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:11 pm 
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Addy wrote:
Bradley is a joke


Really? Then The Ape is more joke...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:33 pm 
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accomplished alright, but u can bet that senior will just dismiss pac's win over tim
he will say that tim is not even close to his son's abilities
he might be sleek, black and in his prime, senior will just say that tim is nowhere near junior's level
it is his son so every body else is not good enough
sr and jr will use this pathetic excuse to discredit pac


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:41 pm 
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trustyler wrote:
goldunderfire wrote:
Sleek... This is the number 1 reason why Pacman looked slow during their fight..

Bradley is no easy opponent..

He ducks and he has great footwork.

And Freddie Roach said in an interview..

Manny came in 149 bs during the fight and Bradley 160lbs.


Manny looked slow at times because he was throwing long looping shots at times. When he threw straight 1-2 punches and short hooks, he still looked fast. When he misses, he looks slow (everybody does). It's just the way it is because he has a tendency to overcommit. I think the fight was rather easy, apart from the round where Bradley rocked him in the 4th. And considering Roach wasn't prepared for Bradley's gameplan, I would say Manny did a good job boxing on his own despite not preparing for that style and adjusted very well at the latter part of the match (which many people used to criticize Manny couldn't do). Did Bradley really come in at 160lbs? I saw in the tale of the tape that Manny came in at 151lbs while Bradley came in at 152lbs.


saw this also in the tv pac at 151 and bradley at 152.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:49 pm 
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trustyler wrote:
eliboy wrote:
trustyler wrote:
Bingo...don't forget undeafeated! Mayweather Sr. should acknowledge this since he brought it up years ago.




Mayweather Sr. made that statement to discredit Manny's wins during that period saying that he isn't at par with Floyd. Because during these times, people were saying that whatever Floyd could do, Manny could do better (ie. TKO De La Hoya, KO Hatton, TKO Cotto, etc..). This was at the height of Manny's career and people wanted him to face Floyd Jr. So he tried to downplay Manny plus the fact that he didn't want his son to fight Pacquiao, which he has stated over and over again in the past even before he brought out the stupid doping allegations.


Yes you're right. He's just being jealous of Pacquiao's accomplishments compared to his son's. Now, that argument is not valid anymore and the only way to prove that his son is better than Pacquiao is for them to finally agree and sign a contract and make that fight happen.


I don't think he's jealous. IMO he just doesn't really want Manny and Floyd Jr. to fight. Back then both fighters were invincible. Everybody was split on who would win. And even if Floyd Jr. won, he would have been very hurt and probably wouldn't have been the same in Sr.'s mind. Back then Pac had the aura of invincibility. Fast, Extremely powerful and explosive, doesn't tire, constantly pressures and attacks, awkward, lefty and could't get hurt neither by a body nor headshot. That's a nightmare for a right handed guy who doesn't throw many punches, doesn't hit as hard as De La Hoya or Cotto and prefers using the shoulder roll against right handed fighters. He was probably thinking how his son could keep Manny off Lil' Floyd if Pac just walks through punches and attacks attacks attacks. Sr. knows Jr. only throws single counter shots so it was a really dangerous match in his head. Floyd Jr. also evaded Margarito in his prime and Paul Williams his whole welterweight stay.

It was only in the Margarito fight that people saw Manny could be hurt by a bodyshot, the Marquez 3 fight that Manny could be outboxed and the Marquez 4 fight that Manny could get knocked out. Back then Floyd Sr. was fearing for his son so he made a ton of excuses to discredit Pac and for both not to fight no matter what. Floyd's asset is his 0 and his health so they wanted to keep it. Compare Manny and Floyd Jr. and I'd say it is Manny who's been taking the riskier fights the past few years (except the Rios one).


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:25 pm 
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What we saw last Saturday was outstanding because Pac fought and beat a hungry prime Bradley without a catch weight or any demands. He fought him as is..

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:49 pm 
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we are forgetting that he also beat a black sleek Ledwaba in his prime. I was hoping Pacquiao would do the same punishment to Bradley.


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