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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:19 am 
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if counter puncher boxers are thinking they have enough in their arsenal to defeat the pacman, now is the time to think again. according to our silent witness, the compubox, pacman just registered a complete shutout victory over his old nemesis juan manuel marquez, in every department. this silent witness had marquez doing good performances in their first two fights. yet in their very recent clash, compubox registered a total failure for JMM to outpoint pacquiao in terms of total punches, jabs and power punches that landed. with this, i'd say that marquez was lucky enough to have one ringside judge scoring their fight at 114-114 even, when it should have been a unanimous decision for pacman. this shows that pacman had once again attained a new level in which not only that he can adjust to counter punching opponents, but can handle them good as well.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:29 pm 
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many are entertaining the idea that if pac fights floyd now, floyd is gonna whip manny's arss. that's easy thing to say but so hard for floyd to do coz floyd is no marquez. the difference between floyd and marquez is that the latter always tend to throw back counter punches or fights toe-to-toe when under pressure or attack. floyd on the other hand, though a brilliant counter puncher, almost always go on defensive mode when under pressure/attack and hardly throws a punch. just imagine how many punches manny can deliver if his opponent is focused on his defense and barely throws a punch. besides, i don't think floyd is really interested in fighting manny right now because floyd can't handle fighting a lefty, unlike marquez who, more than anybody else in boxing, have at least came close to unlocking the pacman puzzle.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:45 pm 
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Well Said! :idea:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:59 pm 
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dominic wrote:
many are entertaining the idea that if pac fights floyd now, floyd is gonna whip manny's arss. that's easy thing to say but so hard for floyd to do coz floyd is no marquez. the difference between floyd and marquez is that the latter always tend to throw back counter punches or fights toe-to-toe when under pressure or attack. floyd on the other hand, though a brilliant counter puncher, almost always go on defensive mode when under pressure/attack and hardly throws a punch. just imagine how many punches manny can deliver if his opponent is focused on his defense and barely throws a punch. besides, i don't think floyd is really interested in fighting manny right now because floyd can't handle fighting a lefty, unlike marquez who, more than anybody else in boxing, have at least came close to unlocking the pacman puzzle.


+ 100 sinabi mo pa :)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:43 pm 
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dominic wrote:
many are entertaining the idea that if pac fights floyd now, floyd is gonna whip manny's arss. that's easy thing to say but so hard for floyd to do coz floyd is no marquez. the difference between floyd and marquez is that the latter always tend to throw back counter punches or fights toe-to-toe when under pressure or attack. floyd on the other hand, though a brilliant counter puncher, almost always go on defensive mode when under pressure/attack and hardly throws a punch. just imagine how many punches manny can deliver if his opponent is focused on his defense and barely throws a punch. besides, i don't think floyd is really interested in fighting manny right now because floyd can't handle fighting a lefty, unlike marquez who, more than anybody else in boxing, have at least came close to unlocking the pacman puzzle.


fight with Floyd will be closer than the fight with Marquez. Manny should train his mind here more than his body.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:14 am 
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dan44 wrote:
dominic wrote:
many are entertaining the idea that if pac fights floyd now, floyd is gonna whip manny's arss. that's easy thing to say but so hard for floyd to do coz floyd is no marquez. the difference between floyd and marquez is that the latter always tend to throw back counter punches or fights toe-to-toe when under pressure or attack. floyd on the other hand, though a brilliant counter puncher, almost always go on defensive mode when under pressure/attack and hardly throws a punch. just imagine how many punches manny can deliver if his opponent is focused on his defense and barely throws a punch. besides, i don't think floyd is really interested in fighting manny right now because floyd can't handle fighting a lefty, unlike marquez who, more than anybody else in boxing, have at least came close to unlocking the pacman puzzle.


+ 100 sinabi mo pa :)

nothing to worry, floyd won't fight pacman anyway.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:37 am 
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WetphaX wrote:
dominic wrote:
many are entertaining the idea that if pac fights floyd now, floyd is gonna whip manny's arss. that's easy thing to say but so hard for floyd to do coz floyd is no marquez. the difference between floyd and marquez is that the latter always tend to throw back counter punches or fights toe-to-toe when under pressure or attack. floyd on the other hand, though a brilliant counter puncher, almost always go on defensive mode when under pressure/attack and hardly throws a punch. just imagine how many punches manny can deliver if his opponent is focused on his defense and barely throws a punch. besides, i don't think floyd is really interested in fighting manny right now because floyd can't handle fighting a lefty, unlike marquez who, more than anybody else in boxing, have at least came close to unlocking the pacman puzzle.


fight with Floyd will be closer than the fight with Marquez. Manny should train his mind here more than his body.

train his mind more than his body? what do you want manny to be, a ninja? :biglaugh: jk or jedi master? jk :biglaugh: :biglaugh:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:45 am 
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how can i not believe you when you wrote it in blood? :) thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:53 am 
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dominic wrote:
if counter puncher boxers are thinking they have enough in their arsenal to defeat the pacman, now is the time to think again. according to our silent witness, the compubox, pacman just registered a complete shutout victory over his old nemesis juan manuel marquez, in every department. this silent witness had marquez doing good performances in their first two fights. yet in their very recent clash, compubox registered a total failure for JMM to outpoint pacquiao in terms of total punches, jabs and power punches that landed. with this, i'd say that marquez was lucky enough to have one ringside judge scoring their fight at 114-114 even, when it should have been a unanimous decision for pacman. this shows that pacman had once again attained a new level in which not only that he can adjust to counter punching opponents, but can handle them good as well.


thumbs up!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:19 am 
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Thunder_knuckles wrote:
dominic wrote:
if counter puncher boxers are thinking they have enough in their arsenal to defeat the pacman, now is the time to think again. according to our silent witness, the compubox, pacman just registered a complete shutout victory over his old nemesis juan manuel marquez, in every department. this silent witness had marquez doing good performances in their first two fights. yet in their very recent clash, compubox registered a total failure for JMM to outpoint pacquiao in terms of total punches, jabs and power punches that landed. with this, i'd say that marquez was lucky enough to have one ringside judge scoring their fight at 114-114 even, when it should have been a unanimous decision for pacman. this shows that pacman had once again attained a new level in which not only that he can adjust to counter punching opponents, but can handle them good as well.


thumbs up!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:59 am 
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Truth be told, Marquez would never be half as good and exciting as Pac. Marquez is a very good counter-puncher but counter-punchers are boring to watch. They don't initiate action, they don't excite fans, and they seldom become a "major major" attraction. The last time 2 counter-punchers fought, one of them cheated the other on scale and made him come to him, denying him of his counter-punching skills.

Marquez may have Pac's number, stylistically they are perfect opposites, but saying he's better than Pac, generally, is almost saying that Marquez would annihilate Margarito and Cotto at Welter. Not gonna happen, not in this lifetime. Marquez is good, I mean he's great, no doubt about it, but not good enough to win it, honestly. I am not even defending Pac. He didn't look that good against Marquez. But Marquez didn't do enough to steal the crown, either. How could you win at 114-114? At best, Marquez could only hope for a draw so crown stays with Pac. Actually, after watching the fight, I had no problem if Marquez was given the nod by the judges. They were ringside and a few feet away from the fighters, they should know and see better than any of us fans. They all saw the fight clearly unlike us who were watching from the distance or for most fans, from TV. But Marquez didn't convince a single judge to give him the crown. After the fight, we found out that really the judges scorecards don't lie, numbers and compubox stats don't lie and face damages for both fighter don't lie.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:28 pm 
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B2tangItim wrote:
Truth be told, Marquez would never be half as good and exciting as Pac. Marquez is a very good counter-puncher but counter-punchers are boring to watch. They don't initiate action, they don't excite fans, and they seldom become a "major major" attraction. The last time 2 counter-punchers fought, one of them cheated the other on scale and made him come to him, denying him of his counter-punching skills.

Marquez may have Pac's number, stylistically they are perfect opposites, but saying he's better than Pac, generally, is almost saying that Marquez would annihilate Margarito and Cotto at Welter. Not gonna happen, not in this lifetime. Marquez is good, I mean he's great, no doubt about it, but not good enough to win it, honestly. I am not even defending Pac. He didn't look that good against Marquez. But Marquez didn't do enough to steal the crown, either. How could you win at 114-114? At best, Marquez could only hope for a draw so crown stays with Pac. Actually, after watching the fight, I had no problem if Marquez was given the nod by the judges. They were ringside and a few feet away from the fighters, they should know and see better than any of us fans. They all saw the fight clearly unlike us who were watching from the distance or for most fans, from TV. But Marquez didn't convince a single judge to give him the crown. After the fight, we found out that really the judges scorecards don't lie, numbers and compubox stats don't lie and face damages for both fighter don't lie.

well said bro, and welcome to pacland.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:32 pm 
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dominic wrote:
B2tangItim wrote:
Truth be told, Marquez would never be half as good and exciting as Pac. Marquez is a very good counter-puncher but counter-punchers are boring to watch. They don't initiate action, they don't excite fans, and they seldom become a "major major" attraction. The last time 2 counter-punchers fought, one of them cheated the other on scale and made him come to him, denying him of his counter-punching skills.

Marquez may have Pac's number, stylistically they are perfect opposites, but saying he's better than Pac, generally, is almost saying that Marquez would annihilate Margarito and Cotto at Welter. Not gonna happen, not in this lifetime. Marquez is good, I mean he's great, no doubt about it, but not good enough to win it, honestly. I am not even defending Pac. He didn't look that good against Marquez. But Marquez didn't do enough to steal the crown, either. How could you win at 114-114? At best, Marquez could only hope for a draw so crown stays with Pac. Actually, after watching the fight, I had no problem if Marquez was given the nod by the judges. They were ringside and a few feet away from the fighters, they should know and see better than any of us fans. They all saw the fight clearly unlike us who were watching from the distance or for most fans, from TV. But Marquez didn't convince a single judge to give him the crown. After the fight, we found out that really the judges scorecards don't lie, numbers and compubox stats don't lie and face damages for both fighter don't lie.

well said bro, and welcome to pacland.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:34 pm 
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dominic wrote:
if counter puncher boxers are thinking they have enough in their arsenal to defeat the pacman, now is the time to think again. according to our silent witness, the compubox, pacman just registered a complete shutout victory over his old nemesis juan manuel marquez, in every department. this silent witness had marquez doing good performances in their first two fights. yet in their very recent clash, compubox registered a total failure for JMM to outpoint pacquiao in terms of total punches, jabs and power punches that landed. with this, i'd say that marquez was lucky enough to have one ringside judge scoring their fight at 114-114 even, when it should have been a unanimous decision for pacman. this shows that pacman had once again attained a new level in which not only that he can adjust to counter punching opponents, but can handle them good as well.


Good post. I could have done better. :fight:


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