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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:42 pm 
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yortheman wrote:
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If he weighs in at 146 or less, it'd be a good sign.

The problem is he's still the same pacquiao. He cannot solve marquez' puzzle.

it's the other way around..3 fights and yet marquez no win :biglaugh:

Its a very intriguing and debatable result. Marquez may win if given another set of judges. So he point of pacquiao winning the 3 bouts is useless. No domination happened.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:43 pm 
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Pacquiao could revert again to his old self this coming fight with JMM,
Problem is he can't just attack at will like Juan Diaz & Katsidis did,
JMM will just backpedal & counter him again since the former knows his style,
JD & MK paid dearly for their relentless attacks while absorbing JMM's punches.
I think Pac just need to time his punches while weaving in & out and using his speedy footwork to at least baffle JMM.
If JMM is true to his words that he'll ko Pacquiao then he should be the aggressor and be ready to engage with Pac.It's his only chance to beat Pac if he can kd the latter or even stop him which i highly doubt he can.
This is what Pac will be waiting,the torrid exchanges to try to deliver the coup d' grace.
He could score kds again and win by a clear & undisputed UD.
But an old Pacquiao to ko the fountain of youth customer is almost an impossible dream.
Just my opinion & i could be wrong though. :?


Marquez will love the idea that pacquiao will be back to the ol pacquiao. He already solved the pacquiao puzzle even in the 2nd fight so a win is very possible.


Yeah, i agree that he has solved the Pacquiao puzzle even in the 2nd fight:

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Reason why his face looked like this after that fight.Just hope that his face won't be worse than this in their coming encounter. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:22 am 
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Facts about what? Marquez winning coz he throws more punches? JMM has more muscle and acquired great deal of agility now, hence a win is for sure?

These are the facts Mr. EYEOPENER...and you better open your eyes wide enough to read these! :lol:
Fact is...JMM was dropped 4 times in 2 fights vs Pac
Fact is...JMM has never won against Pac in all 3 fights
Fact is...JMM is 39 years old (hahaha you even mention about strength and speed? You're kidding me!)
Fact is...JMM can only counter and has never been aggressive versus Pac
Fact is...Pac has always been the aggressor in all their fights
Fact is...Pac has the bigger punch and a KO is predictable
Fact is...Pac is looking for a knock-out this time and you better not blink on the 1st 2 rounds of the fight.
Fact is...You're getting too excited. Relax brother :banghead:


You're talking about old and irrelevants facts. Those are has been facts. Cannot be usefor the upcoming fight. Marquez is dedicated to beat pacquiao while pac is just talking crap. Not the pac he used to be.


I'll define what is FACT for you...

Def #1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: example---> Pac has dropped Marquez 3 times
Def #2. something known to exist or to have happened: example---> Pac won all 3 fights

Def #3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: example---> JMM will never be the aggressor coz he knows the bitter taste of the canvass.

Def #4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: example--> JMM is a crybaby! You heard him several times and who's talking crap again?

Now question, where in hell can you get relevant facts without looking back at history? FACTS are based on past experiences, events, stats and figures! Your logic is as irrelevant as your reasoning. Know what you're talking about kid. Don't add your self in the long list of clairvoyant present here in pacland. Peace!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:28 am 
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Bolo_Punch wrote:
Harold wrote:
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Pacquiao could revert again to his old self this coming fight with JMM,
Problem is he can't just attack at will like Juan Diaz & Katsidis did,
JMM will just backpedal & counter him again since the former knows his style,
JD & MK paid dearly for their relentless attacks while absorbing JMM's punches.
I think Pac just need to time his punches while weaving in & out and using his speedy footwork to at least baffle JMM.
If JMM is true to his words that he'll ko Pacquiao then he should be the aggressor and be ready to engage with Pac.It's his only chance to beat Pac if he can kd the latter or even stop him which i highly doubt he can.
This is what Pac will be waiting,the torrid exchanges to try to deliver the coup d' grace.
He could score kds again and win by a clear & undisputed UD.
But an old Pacquiao to ko the fountain of youth customer is almost an impossible dream.
Just my opinion & i could be wrong though. :?


Hahaha this crack me up! Show me the way to the fountain of youth..please. :lol: I can imagine the color of that fountain..ewwwwww!!!hahahaha!


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Just to satisfy you bro.Harold,this is the way to the fountain of youth.Now,stop imagining its color,just look at the lady. :biglaugh:


Salamat Bro Polo! Now preparing for a long journey. Hope I wont meet JMM along the way!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:54 am 
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Harold wrote:

I'll define what is FACT for you...

Def #1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: example---> Pac has dropped Marquez 3 times
Def #2. something known to exist or to have happened: example---> Pac won all 3 fights

Def #3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: example---> JMM will never be the aggressor coz he knows the bitter taste of the canvass.

Def #4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened: example--> JMM is a crybaby! You heard him several times and who's talking crap again?

Now question, where in hell can you get relevant facts without looking back at history? FACTS are based on past experiences, events, stats and figures! Your logic is as irrelevant as your reasoning. Know what you're talking about kid. Don't add your self in the long list of clairvoyant present here in pacland. Peace!


1. wrong its 4 times. but then can it guarantee that pac will dropped marquez again? it very irrelevant now because in the 3rd fight pac never dropped marquez. FAIL.

2. wrong again, pac won just 2 fights. those 3 fights are highly debatable and can go either way. can we use this again to gauge the upcoming 4th fight? a big NO.

3. as if he was drooped being the agressor. he never became an agressor in the 1st place. a bitter taste of canvass? pac must be thankful those had occured. if not, he wont achieve what he is now. also, check my reply in no 1 again.

4. marquez can talk crap as he wants, but then he has all the right to do that because his fights against pac were all debatable.

now question, did the facts you presented were all relevant ones? go figure out. and besides, i never argue on the definition of fact as based on past exp i just stated that not all facts can be relevant.

don't let your BP rise. You're just jumping to a nonsense conclusion.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:15 am 
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The 25 year old Manny's hunger and aggresiveness is what we want. exclude the jab-jab left straight combo (which Marquez can see a mile away) and add intelligence, and he will be golden. Manny by late TKO/KO


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:29 am 
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eyeopener wrote:
the old pacquiao is reckless. This is a very big advantage for marquez. I want to see an old pacquiao so marquez can knock him out cold. 8)


What we will see is a combination of old & new pacquiao. Old Pacquiao for stamina, agressiveness and hard punching machine. New Pacquiao for counter-punching skills and multi-dimensional fighting style.

My prediction .. a UD for Pacquiao but this time there will be no doubts as Marquez will get punished and my be knocked down once or twice in the middle rounds.


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The Pacman will re-claim he's pound for pound status this Saturday, It's calm before the storm from the pacific will strike again with brutal result. I can sense it.


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he's not distracted by marital problems this time...we will see the "old" Pacman on Saturday night/ Sunday morning.

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KSP..

Knock out win in Seven by Pacman


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:52 am 
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eyeopener wrote:
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1. wrong its 4 times. but then can it guarantee that pac will dropped marquez again?---> You cant guarantee but it's very probable for JMM to kiss the canvass permanently it very irrelevant now because in the 3rd fight pac never dropped marquez. FAIL --->>> It's irrelevant for you, but what happened in the past can still happen in the future..unless you are NostraDAMNus reincarnated and saw what's in the future. You're discounting the other fights coz Pac never dropped JMM in the 3rd fight? That's totally idiotic and irrelevant, the possibility and probability is still high.

2. wrong again, pac won just 2 fights Now you're talking. those 3 fights are highly debatable and can go either way ---> Ha?? I thought you're based on FACTS and not OPINION, make up your mind. Perhaps you're just confuse, get a dictionary. can we use this again to gauge the upcoming 4th fight? a big NO. ---> A BIG YES coz that's a fact and it happened before and may happen again.

3. as if he was drooped being the agressor. he never became an agressor in the 1st place ---> That's why he never won a single fight, this is boxing not a dancing game and don't tell me that JMM connected more punches. Go to compubox and compare. a bitter taste of canvass? ---> Yep! and it is still fresh in the mind of JMM, ask him how it tastes. pac must be thankful those had occured. ---> Thankful?? You think it's luck? It was destiny for JMM to kiss canvass 4 times! if not, he wont achieve what he is now. ----> Epic fail! you sound bitter and more of a crab with this one! also, check my reply in no 1 again. --->> No need coz it's pointless, check my reply for #1

4. marquez can talk crap as he wants, but then he has all the right to do that because his fights against pac were all debatable.--->> Again not a very factual response. You're loosing it brother, hang-in there. Bragging rights belong to Manny, he won all the fights, dropped your loudmouth-crybaby JMM 4 times and it's written in history ---facts backed-up with figures

now question, did the facts you presented were all relevant ones? go figure out. ---> it's very understandable no need for second thoughts. and besides, i never argue on the definition of fact as based on past exp i just stated that not all facts can be relevant.---> Well then, you should have not used the word FACT in the first place instead more of your opinion.

don't let your BP rise. You're just jumping to a nonsense conclusion---> What's the title of your thread? who's jumping into conclusion now :chainsaw:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:00 am 
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pokerjack wrote:
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the old pacquiao is reckless. This is a very big advantage for marquez. I want to see an old pacquiao so marquez can knock him out cold. 8)


What we will see is a combination of old & new pacquiao. Old Pacquiao for stamina, agressiveness and hard punching machine. New Pacquiao for counter-punching skills and multi-dimensional fighting style.

My prediction .. a UD for Pacquiao but this time there will be no doubts as Marquez will get punished and my be knocked down once or twice in the middle rounds.


You're just believing in a false hope. Pac's canp wanted the fans to believe that he is in tip top shape but remember he spent almost half of his training camp in the phils with buboy which i doubt is a high intensity training due to pac's cOmmitment in politics. He's not young to spend pnly few weeks training in US and without doing the training procedure that made him what he is today. As a conclusion the same sluggish pacquiao fighting in spurts who fought bradley will show up this sunday.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:03 am 
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Ilaga wrote:
The Pacman will re-claim he's pound for pound status this Saturday, It's calm before the storm from the pacific will strike again with brutal result. I can sense it.


If he really care of reclaiming his p4p status he should have been more focus and dedicated with his training. But then his different commitments prevent him to do so.


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the word old can mean 2 things:

first is we will see manny's being very aggressive, street fighting style and throwing lots of punches that comes from different angles.

second is literally old pacquiao, slower and not the same fighter we knew.

i certainly hope it's the former and not the latter!

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Harold wrote:
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1. wrong its 4 times. but then can it guarantee that pac will dropped marquez again?---> You cant guarantee but it's very probable for JMM to kiss the canvass permanently it very irrelevant now because in the 3rd fight pac never dropped marquez. FAIL --->>> It's irrelevant for you, but what happened in the past can still happen in the future..unless you are NostraDAMNus reincarnated and saw what's in the future. You're discounting the other fights coz Pac never dropped JMM in the 3rd fight? That's totally idiotic and irrelevant, the possibility and probability is still high.

2. wrong again, pac won just 2 fights Now you're talking. those 3 fights are highly debatable and can go either way ---> Ha?? I thought you're based on FACTS and not OPINION, make up your mind. Perhaps you're just confuse, get a dictionary. can we use this again to gauge the upcoming 4th fight? a big NO. ---> A BIG YES coz that's a fact and it happened before and may happen again.

3. as if he was drooped being the agressor. he never became an agressor in the 1st place ---> That's why he never won a single fight, this is boxing not a dancing game and don't tell me that JMM connected more punches. Go to compubox and compare. a bitter taste of canvass? ---> Yep! and it is still fresh in the mind of JMM, ask him how it tastes. pac must be thankful those had occured. ---> Thankful?? You think it's luck? It was destiny for JMM to kiss canvass 4 times! if not, he wont achieve what he is now. ----> Epic fail! you sound bitter and more of a crab with this one! also, check my reply in no 1 again. --->> No need coz it's pointless, check my reply for #1

4. marquez can talk crap as he wants, but then he has all the right to do that because his fights against pac were all debatable.--->> Again not a very factual response. You're loosing it brother, hang-in there. Bragging rights belong to Manny, he won all the fights, dropped your loudmouth-crybaby JMM 4 times and it's written in history ---facts backed-up with figures

now question, did the facts you presented were all relevant ones? go figure out. ---> it's very understandable no need for second thoughts. and besides, i never argue on the definition of fact as based on past exp i just stated that not all facts can be relevant.---> Well then, you should have not used the word FACT in the first place instead more of your opinion.

don't let your BP rise. You're just jumping to a nonsense conclusion---> What's the title of your thread? who's jumping into conclusion now :chainsaw:


1. Highly probable? You're kidding me right? How can it be highly probable when he did not knock marwuez down in their 3rd match? Your determination of prObabilty was based on facts that happen ages. Things have changed. Pac is old, fighting in spurt, marquez became stronger because of dedication in training. Did u even consider these facts before jumping in your definion of probabilty? Wtf.

2. What opinion are you talking about? Those 3 fights are very close to call. Dont you forget that even roach and pacquaio is telling the same. And saying this time they will leave no doubt? Coz they also believe JMM can also win inthose fights. The judges based their scoring on what fighters they prefer. And if given another set of judges who favors the style of marquez e could have won those 3 fights. Thats not an opinion. Its a fact that many fans and other judges believe.

3. Did you happen to check the compubox on their 2nd fight? Go check it out. LOL at destiny. Now you're making your own assumptions, if he's destined to taste the canvass why did he not taste it the 5th time?

4. I bet your history books is telling that those fight are highly controversial. Do you know what controversial means? If not then there's no point explaining to you.


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