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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:44 pm 
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kajo wrote:
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Stop over analyzing the fight..

This fight will be determined by who wants it more and who is better prepared.

Manny says he wants it more, but comes unprepared.
Marquez says he wants it more and comes prepared.



Marquez says he wants it more but keeps on back pedalling and satisfied with counterpunching.. if he wants.. he has to take it from MP.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:27 pm 
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kajo wrote:
l'm not expecting Manny to win this time.
He should have retired after that 'loss' to Bradley ,imo.

When did he LOSE to Bradley? :?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:29 am 
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josecasta1 wrote:
kajo wrote:
l'm not expecting Manny to win this time.
He should have retired after that 'loss' to Bradley ,imo.

When did he LOSE to Bradley? :?

kaya nga naka-quotation marks, tol.
'LOSS".

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:21 am 
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kajo wrote:
l'm not expecting Manny to win this time.
He should have retired after that 'loss' to Bradley ,imo.



he should but as always, but there is a lot of MILLION reasons to delay that retirement...


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:29 am 
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I think Pac did better and better against JMM even with less then no knockdowns.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:43 am 
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Sargo wrote:
I think Pac did better and better against JMM even with less then no knockdowns.

Pac got better technically.
But JMM still has the edge, naturally.

OK nga ang progression ng dalawang ito.
JMM started as the superior technical boxer, Manny is the superior athlete, fast and powerful.
Over time, JMM started to improve athletically, while Manny improved technically.
Interesting to see how they look now after 4 encounters.
Match na match na kaya?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:02 am 
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coffee pls....

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:53 pm 
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El Trebor Aredam wrote:
kajo wrote:
goldunderfire wrote:
Stop over analyzing the fight..

This fight will be determined by who wants it more and who is better prepared.

Manny says he wants it more, but comes unprepared.
Marquez says he wants it more and comes prepared.



Marquez says he wants it more but keeps on back pedalling and satisfied with counterpunching.. if he wants.. he has to take it from MP.

Boxing coaches and boxers have what they called "styles and strategies,planning and actual implentation " of what they think can win the war/battle/fight . They ,most of the times watch replays of opponent(s) not just once just to maximize the chances of discovering strategies to punish opponent(s) and have that "V" to their resume. I'm sure that Roach and Manny have their plan and preparing to how cut ring from "back pedalling" JMM but epektib ba si Manny sa mga huling laban niya like a "back pedalling" Mosley and Bradley? Granted na may power si Manny na kayang magpatumba ng hindi tumatakbong kalaban pero boxing ay hindi lang basta power, kailangan ang style at plano.IMHO.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:55 pm 
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Average Pts per fight

1: 112.67 for each
2: 113.67 pac, 113.33 marquez
3. 115 pac, 113 marq

if the trend holds, pac will improve on the winning margin again, while marquez will stay on average. for this 4th fight we may be looking at another 115-113 average points in pac's favor (i think 116-112 for pac will not surprise me)

another "trend"

Fight 1: Draw
Fight 2: Split Decision
Fight 3: Majority Decision

next logical result for fight 4? Unanimous Decision for Pac :) The trend is your friend as we say in the stock market.

how would pac win?

based on trends again (moving average lang), for fight 4 estimates are:

pac total punches thrown landed 188/551 34% (ave for three fights, 160/612)
marquez 138/436 32% (ave for three fights 156/498)

pac power punches 127/313 41% (ave 3 fights, 110/270)
marquez 95/216 44% (ave 3 fights 117/301)

why does the fight #4 trend show 95 power punches for marq vs 117 3-fight average? fight 2 he had 130 power punches, but fight 3 only 100 power punches. same is true for total punches. the trend shows marquez is the one on the decline, not pacman. if any, pac has improved last three fights.

total pac punches landed: 148, 157, 176 - increasing!
total pac power landed: 100, 114, 117 - increasing!

marquez total landed: 158, 172, 138 - significantly lower
marquez power landed: 122, 130, 100 - also lower

sources: bleacher report, wiki, google

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:57 pm 
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^blog material, but too lazy to write these days.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:17 pm 
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Yup, Marquez will probably win this time. At the age of 39, Marquez is still the hungrier fighter while Pacquiao is more preoccupied with his bible studies. In the Bradley fight, Pacquiao would fight only 1 minute of each round. He weighed 147 lbs which was the heaviest in his career, and he was definitely out-of-shape. According to Freddie Roach, he was miffed that Manny Pacquiao spent late nights memorizing bible verses instead of getting a good night's sleep. As a result of lack of sleep, he was sluggish during training sessions. Manny Pacquaio has that "who cares" attitude and doesn't mind making everybody wait while he finishes watching a baskeball game. The hungrier fighter MARQUEZ will prevail!! Vegas odds for Marquez has gone down from +280 to +250, from a couple of weeks ago, which means that more money is being bet on Marquez.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:21 pm 
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Yup, Marquez will probably win this time. At the age of 39, Marquez is still the hungrier fighter while Pacquiao is more preoccupied with his bible studies. In the Bradley fight, Pacquiao would fight only 1 minute of each round. He weighed 147 lbs which was the heaviest in his career, and he was definitely out-of-shape. According to Freddie Roach, he was miffed that Manny Pacquiao spent late nights memorizing bible verses instead of getting a good night's sleep. As a result of lack of sleep, he was sluggish during training sessions. Manny Pacquaio has that "who cares" attitude and doesn't mind making everybody wait while he finishes watching a baskeball game. The hungrier fighter MARQUEZ will prevail!! Vegas odds for Marquez has gone down from +280 to +250, from a couple of weeks ago, which means that more money is being bet on Marquez.


actually bro, pac did overwhelmingly well vs bradley. it wasn't pac. it was the judges.

look at the punchstats here http://compuboxonline.com/wp/wp-content ... radley.jpg

total power punches was 190 compared to 108 for bradley, and even higher than 176 for the last marquez fight.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:24 pm 
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Don't expect too much for Pacman! so If pacman win by KO we will cherish it and celebrate it all night long!!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:26 pm 
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arckey wrote:
Don't expect too much for Pacman! so If pacman win by KO we will cherish it and celebrate it all night long!!


hahaha! good point bro :) i expect manny to win by unanimous decision, but im secretly hoping for a KO7 win for pacquiao.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:34 pm 
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Lolo Marquez is no doubt a Kryptonite of Pacman, but Pacman as superman will win at the end. :)

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