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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:49 am 
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It seems there are so many Ariza supporters here. As if the only
reason why Pac lost is because the Ariza regimen was not done.
Do you really buy that? Is he just selling himself? Is he just trying
to pass the blame? Could Pacquiao bulked up too to equalize Marquez
power? Pacquiao is being rocked like a rug doll by Marquez punches.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:56 am 
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How many KO's does Pac have after quitting Ariza's program?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:03 am 
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If he (ariza) really thinks that his methods work, then he should not stopped convincing Manny to continue it. Ariza didn't push hard for his program. He didn't sell it well to Manny and Roach.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:19 am 
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It was Buboy and other Filipino members of the training team who dismissed the strength & conditioning program of Ariza, this traces all the way back to the Margarito training camp. Remember how small Manny came in to the weigh-ins for that fight, particularly when the fight was at 150lbs?

Pacquiao almost crumpled against the ropes from a Margarito body punch, and it was said back then the reason it happened was because he abandoned the strength program halfway through training camp.

Manny also failed to KO anyone since Cotto... I give him a pass on the Clottey fight because nobody would have knocked out Clottey that night with the way he was covering up.

Manny's excuse after the 3rd fight with Marquez ended in another controversial decision... "I didn't do my plyometrics training like I used to before, I underestimated Marquez thinking he was too small." Look it up, he actually said that was the reason for his lackluster performance in the third fight, yet once again he ignored Ariza's program for the 4th fight with Marquez.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:30 am 
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Even with ariza's program, results will be the same... with that kind of angle, marquez's power, plus pacquiao's speed power moving forward.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:36 pm 
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kurtcoba-in wrote:
Even with ariza's program, results will be the same... with that kind of angle, marquez's power, plus pacquiao's speed power moving forward.


I agree!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:40 pm 
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Cut Ariza out......he's not the only S & C out there.......Pac is started having leg cramps due to Ariza's regimen.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:06 pm 
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boxer1 wrote:
It seems there are so many Ariza supporters here. As if the only
reason why Pac lost is because the Ariza regimen was not done.
Do you really buy that? Is he just selling himself? Is he just trying
to pass the blame? Could Pacquiao bulked up too to equalize Marquez
power? Pacquiao is being rocked like a rug doll by Marquez punches.


I agree. Why not take responsibility? He is part of the team, and then when Pac lost, he is blaming Manny. It is his job to strengthen and condition Manny. If Manny is not in peak strength and condition, whose fault it is?

If he claims Manny is not listening to him, then why is he still there for?

I am not blaming Ariza for the Pacquiao loss, I am just curious about his loyalty, his role and his responsibility as the strength and conditioning coach. He is part of the team. If Pacquiao wins, he wins. If Pacquiao loses, he also loses. So take the responsibility or give someone else a chance if he can't bring Pacquiao into his best shape possible. (And quit the whining and blaming game already)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:27 am 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
How many KO's does Pac have after quitting Ariza's program?


are you saying Ariza is responsible for the power punches? are you kidding me?
the only thing I saw from Ariza program is jumping obstacles, stretching the shoulders,
sit-ups, throwing the medicine ball until it burst,..


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