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Does Marquez deserve the higher pay than Pacquiao in the 5th fight?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:09 am 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
dencioPT101 wrote:
a higher guaranteed purse? yes, definitely. :D

higher than manny's purse or ppv share? hell, no! :roll:

How does Pac deserve more ?
He was KO'd and he's the one asking for the 5th fight .
Sorry, just a reality check.
Arum sought JMM after Pac-Bradley did not sell that well.
Supposedly only 500M buys, if that ( 700K buys was BS imo ).


simple. compare the revenues they generated fighting other opponents in the past.

compare the gate attendance. compare the ppv revenues.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:10 am 
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if we give marquez the benefit of the doubt about the PED issue, i think he deserves more. it's not baout tenure, it's about performace. given how he prepared for the fight and all the mountains he had to climb to prove himself and comparing it to a distracted pacman with a lax training camp, i think marquez deserves credit for what he achieved.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:13 am 
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also, im not discredeting pac's achievement coz he is one of the greats but looking at his focus and devotion to boxing these days, he better shape up or ship out of boxing...


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:14 am 
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dencioPT101 wrote:
JoeyInCali wrote:
dencioPT101 wrote:
a higher guaranteed purse? yes, definitely. :D

higher than manny's purse or ppv share? hell, no! :roll:

How does Pac deserve more ?
He was KO'd and he's the one asking for the 5th fight .
Sorry, just a reality check.
Arum sought JMM after Pac-Bradley did not sell that well.
Supposedly only 500M buys, if that ( 700K buys was BS imo ).


simple. compare the revenues they generated fighting other opponents in the past.

compare the gate attendance. compare the ppv revenues.

That's like saying if Oscar and Pac rematched, Oscar deserved more money.
Did Oscar deserve more money if he asked Pac for a rematch ?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:21 am 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
JoeyInCali wrote:
dencioPT101 wrote:
a higher guaranteed purse? yes, definitely. :D

higher than manny's purse or ppv share? hell, no! :roll:

How does Pac deserve more ?
He was KO'd and he's the one asking for the 5th fight .
Sorry, just a reality check.
Arum sought JMM after Pac-Bradley did not sell that well.
Supposedly only 500M buys, if that ( 700K buys was BS imo ).


dencio wrote:
simple. compare the revenues they generated fighting other opponents in the past.

compare the gate attendance. compare the ppv revenues.

That's like saying if Oscar and Pac rematched, Oscar deserved more money.
Did Oscar deserve more money if he asked Pac for a rematch ?


that's a different story and you know that. pac fought dela hoya only once and he completely dominated the guy.

in pac-marquez they have fought 4 times already. the 1st was a draw ( a pacman win if not for the mistake of 1 judege). the 2nd and the 3rd was a decision win for pacman. in the 4th fight manny was leading in all score cards and could have one that one if the fight lasted longer considering marquez is breathing through his mouth due to a broken nose.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:31 am 
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still cant believe some people here keep mentioning that Pac was ahead on the scorecards. Who gives a sh*t??? no offense, but he got knocked the F out !!!!

ahead on the score cards after 5 rounds = meaningless in boxing

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:32 am 
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boxer1 wrote:
if there is a fifth fight?

he knock out Pacquaio but is he the draw?

can he fill a stadium fighting other boxers?

will he get product endorsements?

if he knock out Pacquaio without Heredia maybe
it will be a different story.

his win has taint of suspicion.



Now, who was the draw?? Mexican fans dominated the MGM arena and loudly booed Pacquaio. Filipinos would rather spend their money at the kareoke bar.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:34 am 
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johnnyj wrote:
marquez is 40 years old, he should retire he has nothing to prove but if manny wants revenge marquez should demand majority of that cash, if not manny can forever be remembered as juans bitch


no, that'll remain ambiguous to "real" boxing fans...
even to himself, questions will always lingers on...
have it off for una ves maz!
prove it one more time... then we'll salute him if ever he'll able to repeat that feat! otherwise, it will remain like that.
remember, he hasn't beaten any legit/elite fighters at 140lbs and 147lbs except for Packy, and Paquiao did beaten many hall of famers fighter there, he can't really duplicate that remarkable feat.
now, afraid to do it for a fifth or for the last time?
what are we gonna suppose to think/call him by then?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:57 am 
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Blazing Speed wrote:
johnnyj wrote:
marquez is 40 years old, he should retire he has nothing to prove but if manny wants revenge marquez should demand majority of that cash, if not manny can forever be remembered as juans bitch


no, that'll remain ambiguous to "real" boxing fans...
even to himself, questions will always lingers on...
have it off for una ves maz!
prove it one more time... then we'll salute him if ever he'll able to repeat that feat! otherwise, it will remain like that.
remember, he hasn't beaten any legit/elite fighters at 140lbs and 147lbs except for Packy, and Paquiao did beaten many hall of famers fighter there, he can't really duplicate that remarkable feat.
now, afraid to do it for a fifth or for the last time?
what are we gonna suppose to think/call him by then?


No need for a fifth fight. The fourth fight was the Grand Finale, and Marquez claimed what was truly his. It's time for both fighters to move on.

I would really like Marquez to fight Danny Garcia next. That would be the icing on the cake of his career. For Pacquiao, please retire. He just doesn't have the focus (and the chin) anymore.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:11 am 
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Pacquiao and Marquez has a great matchup...
I don't think Marquez can do it with a young lion like Danny Garcia, batting average is very low for him imho...
he'll be ko cold like what he did to packy.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:16 am 
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Higher guaranteed purse ideally... He can partly dictate the next secquel if Marquez team becomes greedy...

The Marquez Pacquiao V is a Battle Royale of Greed and Redemption.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:26 am 
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dencioPT101 wrote:
JoeyInCali wrote:
dencioPT101 wrote:
a higher guaranteed purse? yes, definitely. :D

higher than manny's purse or ppv share? hell, no! :roll:

How does Pac deserve more ?
He was KO'd and he's the one asking for the 5th fight .
Sorry, just a reality check.
Arum sought JMM after Pac-Bradley did not sell that well.
Supposedly only 500M buys, if that ( 700K buys was BS imo ).


simple. compare the revenues they generated fighting other opponents in the past.

compare the gate attendance. compare the ppv revenues.

JoeyInCali wrote:
That's like saying if Oscar and Pac rematched, Oscar deserved more money.
Did Oscar deserve more money if he asked Pac for a rematch ?


For a very simple reason Joey.
Manny is a proven PPV draw. Marquez is not.
That speaks a lot about their respective fanbase and popularity.
Manny was already a major PPV force when he fought Oscar.

Manny is still hugely popular since his knockout loss. Ever imagine Marquez pulling 1 million PPV buys or something close to it? I bet Manny still can even if he fights Guerrero or Bradley. I'll cut my testicles off faster than El Clitorish if Marquez can pull 300k fighting any of those guys. Did that stunning win earn him the confidence of the promoters that he is primed to headline a major PPV event? I don't think so.


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Blazing Speed wrote:
Pacquiao and Marquez has a great matchup...
I don't think Marquez can do it with a young lion like Danny Garcia, batting average is very low for him imho...
he'll be ko cold like what he did to packy.


You have to put it in Marquez's perspective. The Pacquiao knockout is the most important highlight of his career. He has always claimed that he won their first three fights, and the fourth fight validated that in a stunning fashion. Definitely a fairy tale ending to the saga, in Marquez's perspective of course.

In Marquez's mind, "Why risk a fourth fight if I have won all four fights and got the knockout in the last fight."

He can still earn good money against Danny Garcia, Amir Khan, and Brandon Rios---all beatable opponents.

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theDon wrote:
Blazing Speed wrote:
Pacquiao and Marquez has a great matchup...
I don't think Marquez can do it with a young lion like Danny Garcia, batting average is very low for him imho...
he'll be ko cold like what he did to packy.


You have to put it in Marquez's perspective. The Pacquiao knockout is the most important highlight of his career. He has always claimed that he won their first three fights, and the fourth fight validated that in a stunning fashion. Definitely a fairy tale ending to the saga, in Marquez's perspective of course.

In Marquez's mind, "Why risk a fourth fight if I have won all four fights and got the knockout in the last fight."

He can still earn good money against Danny Garcia, Amir Khan, and Brandon Rios---all beatable opponents.



Correct! If JMM doesn't want the 5th fight anymore, Team Pacquiao will become a cry baby by spreading the word lucky punch, JMM asking for too much pay, JMM is scared etc. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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thanks for the great inputs dudes...

at the end of the day, MONEY still rules!
let's see... i believe Arum is a big negotiator.
i see a higher slice up for the fifth fight anyway.

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