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wow even though sonnen didnt directly said it. he is thinking that jmm is on ped.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/12/27/3807 ... o-knockout

JMM will be the first great boxer recognized on PEDS.

Anyone who has played sports beyond High School Level, has lifted Weights for a Significant TIME, KNOWS that Juan Ma Marquez was on PEDS....

Just pull out your Sports Science Text books, Athletes Primes are between 26 and 31, after that the body starts to decline.

That is why few Super Stars compete past 34 years old....

Yet Somehow, Juan Ma Marquez did something that ARNOLD Schwartzneggar, Lee Haney, Tom Platz, Lou Ferrigno couldn't even do at the age of 38/39 years old....

Create A Body, that he didn't even have during the PRIME years of his life....And Coincidently that is the same period in JUAN MA's Career, that ANGEL MEMO HEREDIA appeared

If Michael Jordan and SHAQ had MEMO as their Trainer, Perhaps they'd still be competing today too and have a Body that even VERNON DAVIS couldn't achieve

That is the REAL REASON that the NEWS, SPORTS Channels are not giving more Air Time to JUAN Ma's Victory over PACQUIAO.....

Because they ALL KNOW in the CORE of their HEARTS that JUAN MA was DIRTY, DOPING and as such are not giving him the ACCOLADES one would normally get for beating a Manny Pacquiao!

Just look at the fight Pics. His shoulders and arms were huge and ripped. Made Manny look malnourished.

so tim grovers claims that Marquez physique, strength and condition is possible without PEDs and he can do it 10x better with Pacquiao are all lies?

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Just to give you guys a little intro who don't know Chael.. he tested positive for elevated Testosterone higher than that of a normal being after his fight against Anderson Silva. He admits that he goes through Testosterone Replacement Therapy. I've heard one of his interviews on ESPN radio and he also suggested that Manny is 'dirty'... that's his exact word when describing Manny.

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Chael is a f@ggot for sure. i also remember him accusing Pac or suggesting he's dirty. he's a cheater himself and just wants to bring everyone down with him

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I think you need to be on PEDS to beat a Manny Pacquiao. I lift weights as well and always talks to my friends with massively built upper and lower body and all of them honestly said that Base on what they see in Marquez latest physicque, they all agree that he's on anabolic steroids.

Sonnen is a Pactard now just because of that opinion...

He didn't say it but he implied Pac was on PED too.

Pacturds need to be careful.
What you say can be used against you.
How many here defended NSAC during Floidy's OSDT or no fight offer to Pac ?

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even if JMM is on steroids, neither Arum or Pac demanded JMM take any test. Therefore its irrelevant. It's like not buckling your seat belt and getting injured in an accident. Or not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle, then injuring yourself. Your asking for trouble and taking a risk when you had the power to prevent it in the first place

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JMM is INNOCENT until proven guilty.

what about George Foreman who knocked out Michael Moorer? (Age 45)

Archie Moore also had a long career and a LW belt becoming the oldest to do so at the time. same as BErnard Hopkins

the same arguments made against JMM can also be made against Pacquiao. Not too many boxers win titles in 8 weight divisions.

So just because someone did something rare and out of the norm doesnt mean they are cheating.

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Marquez's case is different. It's not only about defeating Pacquiao. There's the involvement of Heredia and the HULKed up body. I'm not discrediting his win against Pac. It was a great win. But that win will always be clouded by doubt.

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NO difference...................

based on the SAME agency that those here in this website point to when "proving" that manny is clean...... the NSAC.......... has ALSO PROVED that marquez is CLEAN OF PEDS................. CASE CLOSED..........

manny has ALWAYS refused any further stringent drug testing beyond state athletic commisions............. ask the mayweathers..............

so based on manny, further testing is NOT required.............MARQUEZ IS CLEAN.............PERIOD..........LOL......

bringing this up over and over is..... pathetic sourgraping........ LOL...............

btw, there is NO "cloud" over marquez' KTFO that flattened pacquiao..............