Pacland's Philippine Boxing Forum

My favorite recent look-the-other-way example: Juan Manuel Marquez couldn't knock down Manny Pacquiao for 36 solid rounds over three of their fights. Before their third fight, the 39-year-old Marquez aligned himself with a disgraced strength-and-conditioning coach named Angel Heredia (Google his name and PEDs; it's a fun 10 minutes), arrived in Vegas so ripped that he weighed in four pounds under the 147-pound limit, knocked Pacquiao down early with a vicious power punch, then coldcocked him a few rounds later with one of the single greatest knockout punches ever thrown. What did we do? We bought the fight, gathered in our living rooms. We oohed and aahed, tweeted our disbelief and forwarded the YouTube clip around. And when Marquez passed the bogus post-fight drug test — for the record, Keith Richards in 1978 after a night at Studio 54 could pass one of boxing's drug tests — everyone let the moment go.

Know this: Every boxing fan I know believes that Marquez enhanced his chances that night.

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he makes good points here. i'm starting to see the light

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I'm not sour graping....ok, yeah I am but the truth is JMM was no more cleaner than Lance Armstrong. With Angel Heredia in his camp, was there ever any doubt? There's the drug test and then there's the visual test. Even Stevie Wonder saw the difference at the weigh-in. I think all sound and reasonable boxing fans can see that something was up.

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I think Chael Sonnen got it right when he said "did he take something? Absolutely. Did he take something that was illegal? According to the test he did not."

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Unfortunately we all said NSAC test is enough when Floidy
asked for osdt. Roach said it too.

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Just test them both before their 5th fight and lets see what happens.... if no one is sure without unjust advantage.

heredia's PEDs will never be detected through lab tests unless one whistle blower would come out to spill the beans, just like in armstrong's case. all these lab tests nowadays are useless they should have legalized the use of PEDs to even up the playing fields. there's one problem though: the negative after-effect of the peds on boxer's health.

That's like saying legalize cocaine use .
PED are illegal drugs by law ( for human use ) even though stuff like IGF-1 are used on animals and fish to make them bigger.

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the improvement in power is too significant to be brushed aside. pac could still have won this if he were more careful but he was fighting a really good fight at that point. but that power of marquez, crazy and so unlike him.

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yup. i absolutely agree. unfortunately, sports has gotten so dirty that the only way to make it fair is to legalize PEDs. athletes already know the downside of PEDs. apparently, a lot are willing to take the risk to play at the elite level.

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jmm didnt became stronger, the facts is Pacman was hit squarely to the temple on 3rd rnd,, and ran straight to JMMs right hand on the 6th. enough of those accusations...Hard evidence is needed to supplement ur accusations.

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Pac absorbed so many power punch from JMM starting from their first fight but their last fight is unbelievable.

Yes, he did.
The 3rd round knockdown showed it.

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i think it had to do more on the "strength conditioning" of Marquez that did Pacquiao in. if only Pacquiao did not push the issue in the last 5 seconds, the turn out would have been different, and the loser Marquez will not be questioned about his trainer's shady past.

if ever Marquez did take PEDs, he got a good excuse not to be checked thoroughly for it, because of Pacquiao camp's refusal to implement stricter rules used by USDA(?).

all things considered, PEDs or not, it was clear Pacquiao was on his way to winning that fight, until the punch seen around the world but the one he didn't see, landed smack on his face.

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