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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 11:02 am 
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let that guilt feeling of using steroids haunt JMM for the rest of his life :D
PACMAN got that dispatching knockout defeat but he seems to be okay now and already moved on, no guilt feeling, he stood, rose again and re claim the championship belt.

where is Marquez now? he's now showering the doubts and controversies all over his mind and he's not a champion.

simple equation here:
MP beats TB, TB beats JMM ( now, who is the champion? where is marquez?)

2012 Marquez beats MP with devastating lucky punch with the help of steroid.
2013 Marquez schooled by TimBradley
2014 TB schooled by MP


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 1:34 pm 
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Junorz wrote:
Blitzky22 wrote:
a) Bravely take a dive, no more bs, agree to VADA testings.

b) No more alibis, no chickening out, take the 5th fight with Pac.

c) Dispatched the culprit, fire Angel Memo Heredia, can he do it that way?


What's your take guys?


Pacquiao was also suspected of taking peds when he was tearing the welterweight division apart. A midget lightweight boxer, who just jumped two weight classes to beat Oscar, would go on to knock out a natural light welterweight who was undefeated in that division and defeat bigger welterweights in succession. When Floyd Sr accused Pac of juicing, you said NSAC testing is enough. But you all sound different when it's Marquez on the line. Because he was associated with Memo despite passing the same official NSAC tests. Pacquiao won 3 more belts beyond lightweight division to cap his record 8 division titles. That is more suspicious than a hardworking counter puncher training his butt off when Manny was still campaigning for his wife and brother in Gen San.

So, what does Marquez need to erase the doubts? Nothing. Just ignore the sore losers in this forum.



i can see that you are doubting your fellow kababayan's integrity in the sport of boxing. anti pacquiao, anti filipino or just plain anti pactard? what are you?

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:42 am 
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Blitzky22 wrote:
Junorz wrote:
Blitzky22 wrote:
a) Bravely take a dive, no more bs, agree to VADA testings.

b) No more alibis, no chickening out, take the 5th fight with Pac.

c) Dispatched the culprit, fire Angel Memo Heredia, can he do it that way?


What's your take guys?


Pacquiao was also suspected of taking peds when he was tearing the welterweight division apart. A midget lightweight boxer, who just jumped two weight classes to beat Oscar, would go on to knock out a natural light welterweight who was undefeated in that division and defeat bigger welterweights in succession. When Floyd Sr accused Pac of juicing, you said NSAC testing is enough. But you all sound different when it's Marquez on the line. Because he was associated with Memo despite passing the same official NSAC tests. Pacquiao won 3 more belts beyond lightweight division to cap his record 8 division titles. That is more suspicious than a hardworking counter puncher training his butt off when Manny was still campaigning for his wife and brother in Gen San.

So, what does Marquez need to erase the doubts? Nothing. Just ignore the sore losers in this forum.


I agree with you up to a point, but the big difference between Pac and Marquez...... Pac only had "the practicumer" while Marquez get and still has "the Ped Guru" services. I hope you know what I mean.



Even sans peds , the right hand that took out Pacquiao would do serious damage to anyone. Marquez is no powder puff puncher, a 62% knockout rate would attest to that. Pacquiao just got caught with a perfect shot and that was it.
That being said, I believe that Marquez knew in his heart of hearts that he was close to losing the fight decisively himself.
A fifth fight where Marquez loses clearly or gets stopped after being dominated would erase or at least mitigate the stigma of Pacquiao's loss and would further reinforce the notion that it was Pacquiao's own undoing that led to the loss. Forget the win over Alvarado. The more tellling barometer would be Maquez's and Pacquiao's performances against Bradley. Alavarado may be one gutsy fighter but he lacks the durability and the skill set to compete at the elite level. And those wars against Provodnikov and Rios took their toll
Pacquiao basically outsped and outboxed Bradley in two fights. On the other hand, Marquez looked old and tentative against the same figther. These are the nagging doubts which cloud Marquez's mind.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:51 am 
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To be fair here is Ronnie Sheld's take on Marquez.

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If you look at the knockdown in which JMM floored Alvarado last Saturday night, Marquez merely caught Mike off-balance while he was switching his stance from orthodox to southpaw."

"JMM saw the opening and capitalized on it. The knock-down was a product of his ring intelligence, not super human strength.”



Because of what Marquez has meant to the sport of boxing, Coach Shields believes that detractors should have more respect for the future Hall of Fame fighter.

“Unless there is irrefutable proof about Marquez being an ‘unnatural’ fighter, a warrior like Juan Manuel Marquez deserves the benefit of the doubt. It’s ultimately bad for boxing to accuse one of the most recognizable names in the sport without any kind of hard evidence.”
Read more at http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/4507 ... C4fjjY5.99


And more telling is this.

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“And I’ve been hearing all of the criticism since the fight. But until Marquez fails a drug test, you can’t believe any of that. It’s like accusing someone of stealing without finding anything on them.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:31 am 
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Emmanuel53 wrote:
To be fair here is Ronnie Sheld's take on Marquez.

Quote:
If you look at the knockdown in which JMM floored Alvarado last Saturday night, Marquez merely caught Mike off-balance while he was switching his stance from orthodox to southpaw."

"JMM saw the opening and capitalized on it. The knock-down was a product of his ring intelligence, not super human strength.”



Because of what Marquez has meant to the sport of boxing, Coach Shields believes that detractors should have more respect for the future Hall of Fame fighter.

“Unless there is irrefutable proof about Marquez being an ‘unnatural’ fighter, a warrior like Juan Manuel Marquez deserves the benefit of the doubt. It’s ultimately bad for boxing to accuse one of the most recognizable names in the sport without any kind of hard evidence.”
Read more at http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/4507 ... C4fjjY5.99


And more telling is this.

Quote:
“And I’ve been hearing all of the criticism since the fight. But until Marquez fails a drug test, you can’t believe any of that. It’s like accusing someone of stealing without finding anything on them.



Lance Armstrong was.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 7:33 am 
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Emmanuel53 wrote:
Even sans peds , the right hand that took out Pacquiao would do serious damage to anyone. Marquez is no powder puff puncher, a 62% knockout rate would attest to that. Pacquiao just got caught with a perfect shot and that was it.
That being said, I believe that Marquez knew in his heart of hearts that he was close to losing the fight decisively himself.
A fifth fight where Marquez loses clearly or gets stopped after being dominated would erase or at least mitigate the stigma of Pacquiao's loss and would further reinforce the notion that it was Pacquiao's own undoing that led to the loss. Forget the win over Alvarado. The more tellling barometer would be Maquez's and Pacquiao's performances against Bradley. Alavarado may be one gutsy fighter but he lacks the durability and the skill set to compete at the elite level. And those wars against Provodnikov and Rios took their toll
Pacquiao basically outsped and outboxed Bradley in two fights. On the other hand, Marquez looked old and tentative against the same figther. These are the nagging doubts which cloud Marquez's mind.


I couldn't agree any less, brother.

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