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goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.
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Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.


Goldenbeer, your drunk... he he he.... find JMM and tell your chicken boy to fight Pacman.He know's PACMAN is more prepared this time that's why he is running AWAY!!!!


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That article was long overdue. They should have started writing about how Marquez had been avaiding to meet Manny since after they faced each other. Now everybody is noticing how scared Marquez is in meeting Manny again.


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goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.

Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.



ha ha ha ha.
dont go outside the topic. Chicken marquez, good thing his brother is not like him fighting nobodies.

CHICKEN. Pok Pok Pok Pok Pok Pok Pok Pok Pok Pok.


Oooops. JMM just layed an egg.


bwahahahahaha.


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goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.

Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.



Golden bear,

That is why the world loves Manny Pacquiao. He is made of stuff destined for greatness and legendary legacy. He fights whoever wants to fight him. He has a pure love for boxing regardless of the purse. He is willing to risk everything for the love of the sport.

If Juanita wants to count money, he should not be in the boxing world, he better stick being an accountant. Perhaps he can be an accountant for the PacMan.

PacMan fights because he loves to fight. Money is important but it is secondary to him. Those who fight merely for the money are destined to be relegated in the dustbins of history. He may be rich but he cannot buy greatness. For the PacMan, he has both. He has greatness and he will have the money! That makes Juanita, a less of a boxer and a person. Cowards has no place in boxing.


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Jim Cawkwell is my hero. :peace:


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Golden Bear, you're joking right? mga tol, loko-loko pala eto!

The issue is very clear and simple... JMM's popularity and claimed greatness are going to the dogs. Without him mastering the courage to face our Champ Manny, JMM will just be remembered as a shadow that NEARLY made it big time. Fighting Salido make boxing fans puke! A real fighter is someone who seeks greatness by fighing the best. Its a shame for someone of JMM's caliber to fight a no- body! For sure people will remember him as " COWARD"- A BOXER WITH NO GUTS!

Sorry JMM Fans, better write JMM and force him to fight Pacman. He will not get respect for ducking real warriors.


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goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.

Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.



Oh c'mon... GET LOST!!!

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KNOCK KNOCK WHERE'S JMM?


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tulingan wrote:
goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.

Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.



Golden bear,

That is why the world loves Manny Pacquiao. He is made of stuff destined for greatness and legendary legacy. He fights whoever wants to fight him. He has a pure love for boxing regardless of the purse. He is willing to risk everything for the love of the sport.

If Juanita wants to count money, he should not be in the boxing world, he better stick being an accountant. Perhaps he can be an accountant for the PacMan.

PacMan fights because he loves to fight. Money is important but it is secondary to him. Those who fight merely for the money are destined to be relegated in the dustbins of history. He may be rich but he cannot buy greatness. For the PacMan, he has both. He has greatness and he will have the money! That makes Juanita, a less of a boxer and a person. Cowards has no place in boxing.


100 % TRUE!!!!!!


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Very very very true!


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mardy j.c wrote:
tulingan wrote:
goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.

Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.



Golden bear,

That is why the world loves Manny Pacquiao. He is made of stuff destined for greatness and legendary legacy. He fights whoever wants to fight him. He has a pure love for boxing regardless of the purse. He is willing to risk everything for the love of the sport.

If Juanita wants to count money, he should not be in the boxing world, he better stick being an accountant. Perhaps he can be an accountant for the PacMan.

PacMan fights because he loves to fight. Money is important but it is secondary to him. Those who fight merely for the money are destined to be relegated in the dustbins of history. He may be rich but he cannot buy greatness. For the PacMan, he has both. He has greatness and he will have the money! That makes Juanita, a less of a boxer and a person. Cowards has no place in boxing.


100 % TRUE!!!!!!


Boxing is a business. It is good business to win. It is good business to fight the right people. It is good business to make the people, the fans, that make you money happy. It is good to have the belief of the fans. It is good to be popular because popularity transforms into money. As a boxer your marketablity features are you skill, heart, determination, and bravery. That is not good marketing on the part of JMM. No one is going to pay attention to his upcomming fight but I bet people are willing to pay for Manny's next fight regardless of who he is fighting. Why? Because Manny's marketability features have not been tainted like JMMs. In this sport people like seeing heart, hard working, brave fighters, that bring it everytime they fight. It's just plain charismatic. It gets attention for the sport and gains fans and breeds money. JMM is not doing anything good for the sport of boxing or himself by being scared.
I would love to be able to defend JMM on this because he showed us some heart in the fight. He showed us that he was a warrior. But to money as an excuse when you will make more fighting Manny than Salido. When your reputation will solidify which will make you more marketable. When your warrior's heart is being questioned by the masses and you are ok with not having really proved anything. When you actually think you won and dominated every round after the first and that Manny is now exposed. why not just do it again if you think you can? Plain and simple. Point blank, JMM is avoiding Pac. You can try to defend JMM but no matter what the dude is scared. As a matter of fact the Majority of non-filipino, non-mexican fans are Manny Pacquiao fans. Marketability man it transends nationality.


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tulingan wrote:
goldenbear_golden wrote:
To be fair, no clear offer ever came from the HBO, Murad or the Paquiao camp. All you could hear are grand standing in the media with Murad blabber mouthing followed by Paquiao's rehearsed 'anytime any place blah blah' then concluded with Nazarinos 'not in Vega, not in Atlanta, not in California, not in Texas not anywhere where Arum had promoted etc' .

Now do you expect Marquez to initiate negotiations when he has the belts? He is an accountant and he knows business dealings, he has the ace and he can afford to wait for the right price.

It is financially wise to wait for them to beg just like how the 1.7 million was shared half and half instead of Paquiao getting the 1 million face value he got from Barrera.

Of course it may not be good ability wise since father time is against Marquez but it's a sound business judgement for some one who is about to retire. If he lost then he atleast will get the money and if he wins then he earns more money for his retirement funds.

On the other hand Paquiao has been fighting for someone else's pockets. Flawed as he is he has a recognizable talent that should earn him more than the meager left over he got from the dealings. Imagine that he got only 300k still to be deducted by Roach and others when HBO had allocated 700k for him during the Barrera fight. Then Marquez who was very talented but unknown manage to get half the purse from the guy who beat king Barrera? Huh! How could they allow that to happen if they didn't get their share?

So when it's negotiation time again Marquez will be getting more than Paquiao and that's for sure, because Paquiao has no where else to go. There's no one in the division and he needs to climb up to Moralles but Marquez has to sign his clearance. The unfinished business always cast a shadow on him.



Golden bear,

That is why the world loves Manny Pacquiao. He is made of stuff destined for greatness and legendary legacy. He fights whoever wants to fight him. He has a pure love for boxing regardless of the purse. He is willing to risk everything for the love of the sport.

If Juanita wants to count money, he should not be in the boxing world, he better stick being an accountant. Perhaps he can be an accountant for the PacMan.

PacMan fights because he loves to fight. Money is important but it is secondary to him. Those who fight merely for the money are destined to be relegated in the dustbins of history. He may be rich but he cannot buy greatness. For the PacMan, he has both. He has greatness and he will have the money! That makes Juanita, a less of a boxer and a person. Cowards has no place in boxing.


Very well said bro. Pacman just really loves to fight. He has dedicated his life in boxing and it brought him on the road to greatness that money can't buy. It's all about honor and glory. The good thing is he earns millions along with it. You don't need to be an accountant to know that. It just really means one thing: Marquez is scared of Pacquiao. That's it! Why have an immediate rematch with Pacquiao when I can still earn a little more against a low-risk opponent before retiring for good? As an accountant, Marquez realized that.

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"He is a model of intensity and dedication to his craft and his physical gifts and tenacity are enough to generate pure excitement throughout the industry, discarding the need for the cheap vulgarity of trash-talk."

I like this statement by Jim Cawkwell from that article. That is what Manny Pacquiao is all about!

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thony818 wrote:
KNOCK KNOCK WHERE'S JMM?


knock knock

Who's there?

Juan Marquez

Juan Marquez who?

Juan Marquez the boxer who is looking for a bum to fight since im so scared of fighting top fighters.


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hey slurpy....the *** likin dog. even if you change your username a thousand times you still stinks. different name but still same old trash. will you ever learn?


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