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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:10 am 
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theDon wrote:
It was a very intense battle for superfeatherweight supremacy. Both fighters had their moments.

I saw the fight twice, on pay per view and on free tv, and I tried to score the fight as honestly and objectively as possible.

You know, I'm probably the biggest Pacquiao fan but I have to say that Pacquiao did not win that fight over Marquez. The only sure rounds he got were rounds 3, 4, and 9 (or was it 10). Most rounds were won by Marquez due to precision punching and perfect timing. Pacquiao, inspite of his handspeed, had a very hard time connecting in the entire fight.

That knockdown was great but it was only one knockdown and only good for a 10-8 round. Not enough to win an entire fight.

I think Pacquiao is definitely on a slide. His last great fight was against Morales 3. From Solis down to Barrera and now against Marquez, everything in his peformance has dipped. He always ends up fighting with only his guts and heart. In the near future that may not be enough. Or maybe the performance deficit is due to burnout since he almost spends all of his energy in training camp. I don't know. I think Manny should stop cramming his training in just an intense 7 to 8 weeks and concentrate to having a longer camp, say 3 months, and train with gradual intensity. So, he doesn't have to overburden his body by losing weight near fight time.

And please try not to label me as a JMM fanatic because I am not. I am one of the biggest PACMAN fans around. I'm just keeping it real.

But, well, a win is a win. So, congratulations Manny!


Well, people have contrasting opinions. Some saw it the other way around. Even boxing analyst differ from there opinion on its outcome. But it was really a close fight, it could go the other way around depending on how people saw it.. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:16 am 
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Pacwan wrote:

Only 3, 4 and 10? What a crap ! :shock:
The data below was posted by The Butcher in the other thread "Press row scores".
The fight was close and anybody can make their case on who won the fight but not a
single boxing expert gave 3 rounds to Pac and 9 rounds for JMM.
Now the two of you who only gave rounds 3,4 and 10 to Pac are the odd man out
and should stop scoring fights as if you're experts.
Which row did you watch the fight ? the last row? or did you watch it in SOPCAST
using a dialup internet connection :finger:

Doug Fischer of maxboxing.com - 114-114 Draw
http://www.maxboxing.com/Fischer/Fischer031708.asp

Brad Cooney of Cooney Entertainment - Draw
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=95526

Harold Lederman of HBO (not his article but mentioned in it) - 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... s-marquez/

Dan Rafael of espn.com – 114-113 for Marquez
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=3296049

Steve Kim of maxboxing.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim031708.asp

The Arizona Republic – 114-113 for Marquez
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... r0317.html

Jeff Haney of Las Vegas Sun - 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/ma ... itle-bout/

Ricardo Lois of boxingconfidential.com – 115-112 for Marquez
http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=4125

Michael Marley of boxingconfidential.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=4132

SC of badlefthook.com – 114-113 for Marquez
http://www.badlefthook.com/story/2008/3/16/463/75851

Ace Freeman of fightfan.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://fightfan.com/?p=101

Victor Perea of fightnews.com - 115-113 for Marquez
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIGHTS ... arquez.htm

‘Undisputed’ of doghouseboxing.com – 115-114 for Pacquiao
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Round031508.htm

Bart Barry of 15rounds.com – 115-113 for Marquez
http://15rounds.com/Columns/bbarry/aggressor-031708.php

Ben Thompson of fighthype.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2220.html

Tim Starks of mvn - 114-113 for Marquez
http://mvn.com/boxing/2008/03/17/the-tr ... -pacquiao/

Aaron Jones of fightbeat.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.fightbeat.com/article_detail.php?AT=603


thanks for posting this one bro.. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:19 am 
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Pacman did win a razorly split decision, and for what I've seen in the fight, Manny has indeed evolve a bit being a technical fighter too, but his versatility and explosiveness is sliding down.
I have observe that for what reason there was, he's a bit sluggish and slow this time, the reason why Marquez was able to neutralize his killer left most of the time, most of all, I should say that Manny or neither Roach was not able to solve Marquez counter punching ability. Better be back at the drawing board. I have observed too, that Marquez, had equalize Manny's speed, the reason why Manny's hit also most of the time. Lack of footwork also contributed to Manny's difficulty of disposing Marquez. That observations kept me wondering what Roach was saying, quote; "All bases covered" ???????? Do take this things in consideration, and I guess Manny can be a more destructive fighter. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:01 pm 
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This is how I scored the fight:

Marquez ------ Pacquiao

1. 10 --- 9
2. 10 --- 9
3. 8 --- 10
4. 9 --- 10
5. 10 --- 9
6. 10 --- 9
7. 10 --- 9
8. 10 --- 9
9. 10 --- 9
10. 9 --- 10
11. 9 --- 10
12. 10 --- 9

Result 115 --- 112 for Marquez

Pacquiao's sure rounds were 3, 4, and 10. Some rounds were close to call but most of them, in my opinon, were won by Marquez due to his precision punching. The only close round I gave to Pacquiao is round 11.

Anyway, this is simply a personal assessment on my part and I believe that the judges' of the fight were honest in their decision making. As I said some rounds were close to call.

So, CONGRATULATIONS TO MANNY!

Peace...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:11 pm 
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Manny's style has changed because the style of Marquez's counter-punching proved to be his burden. If it was Morales style of slugging it out, Pacman would not encounter much difficulty.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:12 pm 
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entitled naman tayo sa ating own opinions

here's another share c/o bro xcylly
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=95877&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

congrats pac, you deserved the win in my book :D

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:15 pm 
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Thats always the problem, you only count on the rounds that manny won. may i ask you, what rounds did marquez clearly won? pls. watch the fight again and be clear on scoring pacman and jmm before you judge who's the clear winner ok? :D

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:16 pm 
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boxing_the_no1_sport wrote:
Manny's style has changed because the style of Marquez's counter-punching proved to be his burden. If it was Morales style of slugging it out, Pacman would not encounter much difficulty.


Who do you think are the best counterpunchers in the 135 lb division?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:23 pm 
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theDon wrote:
This is how I scored the fight:

Marquez ------ Pacquiao

1. 10 --- 9
2. 10 --- 9
3. 8 --- 10
4. 9 --- 10
5. 10 --- 9
6. 10 --- 9
7. 10 --- 9
8. 10 --- 9
9. 10 --- 9
10. 9 --- 10
11. 9 --- 10
12. 10 --- 9

Result 115 --- 112 for Marquez

Pacquiao's sure rounds were 3, 4, and 10. Some rounds were close to call but most of them, in my opinon, were won by Marquez due to his precision punching. The only close round I gave to Pacquiao is round 11.

Anyway, this is simply a personal assessment on my part and I believe that the judges' of the fight were honest in their decision making. As I said some rounds were close to call.

So, CONGRATULATIONS TO MANNY!

Peace...


How many times have you watched the fight? watch it again...MANNY WON CLEARLY...

You missed to see..that on most round we think that Marquez hit Manny..he hit nothing Manny blocked it...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:29 pm 
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i guess its not being honest ... im expecting an honest to goodness quotes like ... "no clear winner", or "anybody can be a winner", "marquez pacquiao both deserve to win", etc ...but for you to say that "pacquiao did not win the fight"?man, way too conclusive for a fight that didnt end with a clear conclusion.

now i doubt your honesty, anybody can win the fight at that night... and would you prefer your champion to be at the side of marquez ? ...did marquez win the fight as fair and squar as it can be? woooohhhh

get real ...or your credibility is at stake ... i hope everyone believes you when you said that you are honest.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:32 pm 
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jake_ire wrote:
theDon wrote:
This is how I scored the fight:

Marquez ------ Pacquiao

1. 10 --- 9
2. 10 --- 9
3. 8 --- 10
4. 9 --- 10
5. 10 --- 9
6. 10 --- 9
7. 10 --- 9
8. 10 --- 9
9. 10 --- 9
10. 9 --- 10
11. 9 --- 10
12. 10 --- 9

Result 115 --- 112 for Marquez

Pacquiao's sure rounds were 3, 4, and 10. Some rounds were close to call but most of them, in my opinon, were won by Marquez due to his precision punching. The only close round I gave to Pacquiao is round 11.

Anyway, this is simply a personal assessment on my part and I believe that the judges' of the fight were honest in their decision making. As I said some rounds were close to call.

So, CONGRATULATIONS TO MANNY!

Peace...


How many times have you watched the fight? watch it again...MANNY WON CLEARLY...

You missed to see..that on most round we think that Marquez hit Manny..he hit nothing Manny blocked it...


Okay I will do your suggestion. I will buy a DVD copy of the fight tomorrow. I will score the rounds one by one and then I will post my updated scoring.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:40 pm 
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i don't care how your scorecards reads. i don't care how bloated your self esteem that you think that you are better than everyone else. i don't care about your shitty moral victories.
i don't care about the rematches that shorten a boxer's careers. i don't care about the filipinos that eat lunch with pacquiao that denounce the decision before the marquez camp did. i dont care whatever the hypocrites here in pacland thinks.

as far as i'm concern its all finish business.


your scorecards: belong up in your ***.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:52 pm 
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t'was really a close call, fighters gave their best and the decision could have gone either way. Congratz and thanks to both fighter, who gave us really heck of a fight! Thrilling an so exciting!!!! I'm happy that MP won the fight and now a Super Featherweight Champion. It's ok, if ever JMM got the decision, bcause they both deserve it. Hanggang sa susunod na laban!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:58 pm 
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theDon wrote:
I think Pacquiao is definitely on a slide. [/b]


thats what you think....but what you think is not always right and the truth,am i right?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:00 pm 
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clz122 wrote:
theDon wrote:
I think Pacquiao is definitely on a slide. [/b]


recah is that you?


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