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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:05 pm 
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I think Pacquiao is definitely on a slide.


thats what you think....but what you think is not always right and the truth,am i right?


YES, you are right. In fact, I am hoping I was wrong about that assessment.

I really hope Pacquiao's unimpressive performance was due to the style match-up and not due to a decreasing trend in his physical capabilities.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:09 pm 
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It was a very intense battle for superfeatherweight supremacy. Both fighters had their moments.

I saw the fight twice, on pay per view and on free tv, and I tried to score the fight as honestly and objectively as possible.

You know, I'm probably the biggest Pacquiao fan but I have to say that Pacquiao did not win that fight over Marquez. The only sure rounds he got were rounds 3, 4, and 9 (or was it 10). Most rounds were won by Marquez due to precision punching and perfect timing. Pacquiao, inspite of his handspeed, had a very hard time connecting in the entire fight.

That knockdown was great but it was only one knockdown and only good for a 10-8 round. Not enough to win an entire fight.

I think Pacquiao is definitely on a slide. His last great fight was against Morales 3. From Solis down to Barrera and now against Marquez, everything in his peformance has dipped. He always ends up fighting with only his guts and heart. In the near future that may not be enough. Or maybe the performance deficit is due to burnout since he almost spends all of his energy in training camp. I don't know. I think Manny should stop cramming his training in just an intense 7 to 8 weeks and concentrate to having a longer camp, say 3 months, and train with gradual intensity. So, he doesn't have to overburden his body by losing weight near fight time.

And please try not to label me as a JMM fanatic because I am not. I am one of the biggest PACMAN fans around. I'm just keeping it real.

But, well, a win is a win. So, congratulations Manny!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:29 pm 
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My scorecard is identical w/ that judge who scored 114-113 for Manny. It was the KD which tilted in Manny's favor. Otherwise, it could have been a draw.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:33 pm 
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theDon, you are Recah Trinidad's brother and Ronnie Nathanielz's twin!

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Pacman did win a razorly split decision, and for what I've seen in the fight, Manny has indeed evolve a bit being a technical fighter too, but his versatility and explosiveness is sliding down.
I have observe that for what reason there was, he's a bit sluggish and slow this time, the reason why Marquez was able to neutralize his killer left most of the time, most of all, I should say that Manny or neither Roach was not able to solve Marquez counter punching ability. Better be back at the drawing board. I have observed too, that Marquez, had equalize Manny's speed, the reason why Manny's hit also most of the time. Lack of footwork also contributed to Manny's difficulty of disposing Marquez. That observations kept me wondering what Roach was saying, quote; "All bases covered" ???????? Do take this things in consideration, and I guess Manny can be a more destructive fighter. 8)


You tend to forget that Manny was handicapped by that cut over his eye. I think he sustained it in the 8th round. He recovered in the 9th and 10th. 11th was close to call. You should give him credit for not giving up the fight when he could not almost see anything coming from Marquez. And for that, I will sustain the win given by the two judges.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:53 pm 
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Wise guy, TheDon, here are the official scores:

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What's your score, by the way, round by round?

My score is identical w/ that of Tom Miller, 114-113 for Pacman. It's the KD in the 3rd round which tilt the balance in favor of Pac.

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Allow me to resurrect this thread.

I believe the same sentiments I had with the Pacquiao-Marquez II still holds true with the rubber match—that "Pacquiao, honestly, did not win the fight."

OK, Paclanders, before you all start the hatin', please note that I am one of the proudest Manny Pacquiao fans around (THE MEXICAN can attest to that).

Well, for starters, neither fighter dominated the fight. It was close from round 1 to round 12. However, Marquez managed to land the clearer, highlight-reel punches, and he was more consistent offensively. Every punch Pacquiao throws, he gets counterpunched with a hard shot.

At best, Manny won five rounds, with Juan Manuel winning seven rounds.

Note that I'm still a Pacquiao believer (always will). It's just that Marquez has the style to make Pacquiao look ordinary, after all "styles make fights."

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:34 pm 
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theDon wrote:
Allow me to resurrect this thread.

I believe the same sentiments I had with the Pacquiao-Marquez II still holds true with the rubber match—that "Pacquiao, honestly, did not win the fight."

OK, Paclanders, before you all start the hatin', please note that I am one of the proudest Manny Pacquiao fans around (THE MEXICAN can attest to that).

Well, for starters, neither fighter dominated the fight. It was close from round 1 to round 12. However, Marquez managed to land the clearer, highlight-reel punches, and he was more consistent offensively. Every punch Pacquiao throws, he gets counterpunched with a hard shot.

At best, Manny won five rounds, with Juan Manuel winning seven rounds.

Note that I'm still a Pacquiao believer (always will). It's just that Marquez has the style to make Pacquiao look ordinary, after all "styles make fights."


the first two fights were very close and it could go either way. this 3rd fight is clearly won by jmm! even roach knows this, i heard him saying, "we're behind on points now... (or something to that effect?)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:48 pm 
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chitotwothousandseven wrote:
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Allow me to resurrect this thread.

I believe the same sentiments I had with the Pacquiao-Marquez II still holds true with the rubber match—that "Pacquiao, honestly, did not win the fight."

OK, Paclanders, before you all start the hatin', please note that I am one of the proudest Manny Pacquiao fans around (THE MEXICAN can attest to that).

Well, for starters, neither fighter dominated the fight. It was close from round 1 to round 12. However, Marquez managed to land the clearer, highlight-reel punches, and he was more consistent offensively. Every punch Pacquiao throws, he gets counterpunched with a hard shot.

At best, Manny won five rounds, with Juan Manuel winning seven rounds.

Note that I'm still a Pacquiao believer (always will). It's just that Marquez has the style to make Pacquiao look ordinary, after all "styles make fights."


the first two fights were very close and it could go either way. this 3rd fight is clearly won by jmm! even roach knows this, i heard him saying, "we're behind on points now... (or something to that effect?)


Agree 100 percent.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:17 pm 
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don robert wrote:
Honestly? So, before this fight, you were not honest.


:lol: :lol: :lol: TS, How could you be honest this time? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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theDon, you are Recah Trinidad's brother and Ronnie Nathanielz's twin!


Since 2008. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Still same sentiment today. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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when i watched the replay nothing's changed Manny still won the fight 8)


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mudclay wrote:
when i watched the replay nothing's changed Manny still won the fight 8)

me too...

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masterjayR24 wrote:
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when i watched the replay nothing's changed Manny still won the fight 8)

me too...


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theDon wrote:
chitotwothousandseven wrote:
theDon wrote:
Allow me to resurrect this thread.

I believe the same sentiments I had with the Pacquiao-Marquez II still holds true with the rubber match—that "Pacquiao, honestly, did not win the fight."

OK, Paclanders, before you all start the hatin', please note that I am one of the proudest Manny Pacquiao fans around (THE MEXICAN can attest to that).

Well, for starters, neither fighter dominated the fight. It was close from round 1 to round 12. However, Marquez managed to land the clearer, highlight-reel punches, and he was more consistent offensively. Every punch Pacquiao throws, he gets counterpunched with a hard shot.

At best, Manny won five rounds, with Juan Manuel winning seven rounds.

Note that I'm still a Pacquiao believer (always will). It's just that Marquez has the style to make Pacquiao look ordinary, after all "styles make fights."


the first two fights were very close and it could go either way. this 3rd fight is clearly won by jmm! even roach knows this, i heard him saying, "we're behind on points now... (or something to that effect?)


Agree 100 percent.


I agree with all of you. I've seen that a lot of punches by Pacquiao landed on Marquez shoulders which are not considered to be effective. Even the round by round highlights, it was all dominated by clips showing the effective punches of Marquez which often kept Pacquiao off-balanced and made him look like an amateur. Seldom did they show Pacquiao's effective punches. I also gave a generous 5 rounds to Pac. Could've been less but still Marquez won in my scorecards.


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