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Stephen Curry is surpassing even Jordan with epic season
Ethan Sherwood Strauss
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During a crazed Twitter rant wherein he promoted his upcoming album while begging Mark Zuckerberg for money, basketball authority Kanye West tweeted, "I am the Jordan and Steph Curry of music, meaning I'm the best of 2 generations."

While it's easy to dismiss the messenger as grandiose, ill-informed and otherwise, the message itself has a subversive ring of verisimilitude. Although his arrival at this echelon has been sudden and unexpected, it's increasingly hard to deny that Stephen Curry is approaching a historic level of greatness.

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Kanye's sacrilege was less in comparing himself to Michael Jordan and more in mentioning Curry and Jordan in the same sentence. We're still adjusting to a world in which Curry can be referenced in the same sentence as the GOAT. At this point, as Golden State chases 73 wins, it's common to compare the 2015-16 Warriors season to that of Jordan's 1995-96 Bulls. That connection has become more or less accepted, helped along by Steve Kerr's participation in both squads. What's less accepted is a focus on Curry's individual feats as Jordan-esque, even though he's delivering a historically unprecedented season.

"Unprecedented" might even be selling it short. It could stand as the greatest we've seen since the advent of the 3-point line.

Of course, this does not mean that Curry has come anywhere close to approaching the totality of Jordan's career. It will be hard for anyone to touch what Jordan accomplished en route to six titles in two, wondrous three-peat crescendos. It simply means that -- statistically, and otherwise -- Curry is building a case for the best individual season in modern NBA history. That much is significant even if you reflexively side with MJ and other all-timers.

If Curry keeps this up, his statistical case will be easy to make. Using the greatest player of all time as a comparison point, that much is clear. Curry is scoring far more efficiently (67.6 percent true shooting) than Jordan in MJ's most efficient scoring season (61.4 percent true shooting). Curry is posting a slightly better PER than Jordan ever did (32.1 to Jordan's career-best 31.7), and he is currently edging any MJ season out in win share rate and offensive rating.

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Stephen Curry's production from 3-point range is unprecedented as well as his range -- he's shooting 68.1 percent on 3s beyond 28 feet. Ezra Shaw/Getty Images

Obviously, Curry has accomplished much of this with unprecedented 3-point shooting. Again, "unprecedented" might be an undersell. After an MVP season in which Curry broke his own record for made 3s last season with 286, he has 245 3-pointers as the Warriors resume play in Portland on Friday after the All-Star break. We've never seen this, and we've never seen anything like this. The range itself is also without precedent. Buzzer heaves excluded, Curry is shooting 68.1 percent on 3s beyond 28 feet, having drained 32 such tries. This is an efficiency that exceeds making 100 percent on 2-point shots.

We don't have a clear picture of Jordan's likely impressive on/off numbers, but Curry's current numbers speak to a staggering impact, an influence on the game that might be even greater than his incredible individual stats suggest. As the only player who can efficiently score off the dribble from beyond 30 feet, Curry commands defensive strategies no one else does.

He's claiming his fewest assists in three seasons, but that can be ascribed to double-teams 40 feet from the hoop. In these situations, Curry will often swing the ball out to an open Draymond Green, who then drives and finds an open man (Curry leads the NBA in secondary "hockey assists" this season, averaging 2.4). Per 48 minutes, Golden State outscores opponents by 21.8 with Curry on the floor. Though muddled by garbage-time minutes, it's notable that the Warriors have been outscored by 6.8 points per 48 when Curry is off the floor.

Speaking of garbage time, Curry's bench rest might be obscuring his counting stats. His 29.8 points per game is impressive on its face, but especially so given that Curry sat the entirety of 15 fourth quarters and averages 33.8 minutes per game. Although Curry certainly benefits from the rest, his counting stats will read as less impressive in comparison to seasons when Jordan averaged over 40 minutes, which he did three times.

It's reasonable to give Jordan credit for playing extra minutes, and it's reasonable to cite Jordan's hard-to-quantify defensive impact as a tiebreaker in a comparison of seasons. Other arguments might not be so reasonable.

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Michael Jordan's best true shooting percentage (61.4) season came in 1988-89. Brian Spurlock/US Presswire

During an appearance on Colin Cowherd's radio show earlier this season, basketball elder Charles Barkley said of the Warriors, "We would have just mauled them. You're not gonna let guys come off those picks. The defense is at a disadvantage, all these cornerbacks in the NFL are really at a disadvantage. And a guy like [Curry], who is amazing, you can't put your hands on him, you can't hand-check him. It's a totally different game."

"Defense was tougher back then," is a classic way to dismiss modern basketball accomplishments while celebrating the vaunted 1980s and 1990s. The idea that defense was tougher in that era just isn't supported by the numbers. To be sure, certain defenses from those times were indeed great. It's just that not every game was against Chuck Daly's Pistons or Pat Riley's Knicks.

Although NBA play was billed as a more rugged, "physical" game in which anything went on defense, teams scored more easily in the 1980s and 1990s and were rewarded with more free throws. For example, in the 1988-89 season, quite possibly Jordan's best statistically -- he averaged 32.5 points, 8.0 rebounds and 8.0 assists -- the average offensive rating was 108. Today, this season, it stands at 105.6.

Our collective love of 1980s and 1990s basketball was likely informed by how well the offenses did (note: Fans like scoring). Defenses actually thrived in the early to mid-2000s, and it's widely looked at as a relatively forgettable NBA nadir. Ironically, offensive success in the 1980s and 1990s might inform how we've come to romanticize defenses of that era.

Specifically addressing the "hand check" as a Curry-stopping deterrent, its primary function was to thwart drives. There's only so much a hand check can do about a guy who's leaping backward and draining 30-footers.

Despite the points above, Barkley and other basketball nostalgists will cling to the notion that the unprecedented present has nothing on the past, that Jordan comparisons qualify as grand heresy. Maybe they're right, as it's difficult to disprove "would have." It speaks to the season he's having that Steph Curry is taking L's only in hypothetical times and places.

Link: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14806737/stephen-curry-surpassing-even-michael-jordan-epic-season

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:42 am 
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Stephen Curry is scoring better than Michael Jordan ever did
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Curry is somehow scoring more frequently and more efficiently than anyone in the modern era. Even MJ.

've acknowledged that Stephen Curry is probably the best shooter of all-time. We've acknowledged that Stephen Curry is probably the best basketball player in the world at the moment. It's not enough. Stephen Curry might be having the best individual scoring season of the modern era.

Comparing current players with the heydays of Wilt and Oscar is notoriously difficult. Clearly the fabric of the game is different. But looking at the best scoring seasons since the advent of the three-point line and the ABA merger is a bit cleaner in terms of comparison, and it puts Steph's 2015-16 in a class of its own.

Steph's True Shooting Percentage is 70. Seventy. SEVENTY.

True Shooting Percentage measures efficiency while giving players credit for threes and free throws. The calculation is pretty simple: points per shooting possession divided by two. Shooting possessions are either field goal attempts or trips to the foul line. As such, the estimate for shooting possessions is 0.44 times free throw attempts plus FGAs. The average NBA player scores about 1.1 points per shooting possession for a True Shooting of 55 percent. This bounces around a bit season to season, but the average is generally in that zone.

Stephen Curry's True Shooting Percentage is 70. He's scoring 1.4 points per shooting possession. Is that crazy? That is crazy. How crazy? Only three players in the history of the NBA who played at least 500 minutes finished a season with a True Shooting Percentage at 70 or higher. Curry is shooting twice as many shots per game as any other member of that list.

Curry is doing it on more than 20 FGAs per game. The next-highest recorded True Shooting Percentage for a player attempting 20 FGAs or more per game is Kevin Durant's 63.5 in 2014. The gap between Curry and No. 2 Durant on this list is the same as the gap between No. 2 Durant and No. 44 on the list. Check out the top 10 True Shooting Percentages for a player who averaged at least 20 FGAs per game.

Steph is destroying the 50-40-90 club's scoring record

This exclusive club represents players who shoot 50 percent from the field, 40 percent on threes and 90 percent from the line. It's only been done for a full season four times by 20-ppg scorers: Larry Bird twice, and Durant and Dirk Nowitzki once each. The highest scoring average for a 50-40-90 member was Bird's 29.9 points per game in 1988. Curry's at 32 points per game while playing five fewer minutes per game. If Curry played 39 minutes per game as Bird did, his scoring average would be a shade under 37 points per game at his current rate.

What's more, Curry isn't just shooting 50-40-90. He's shooting 52-46-94. It is conceivable that he could someday invent the 60-50-95 club.

Best modern scoring season?

In the three-point era, 33 players have averaged at least 30 points per game in a season. Curry is currently at 32 points per game, which would be good for No. 12 in the modern era. Among all those 30 ppg scorers, Curry uses the fewest shooting possessions per game and plays the fewest minutes. And his team is 20-0.

Jordan's the only player in the modern era who won the title the same season he averaged 30 per game ... and Jordan did it four times. Allen Iverson is the only other player to do it in a season in which his team made the finals. But Iverson's efficiency was always below league-average and Curry's per-minute scoring is higher than that of The Answer. A.I. is not in this conversation.

The options when you ignore team record and postseason success are Jordan's 1987-90 seasons, Kobe's 2006 and Durant's 2014. Here's how those shape up.

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YEAR
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Jordan 1987 37.1 40 33 .562
Jordan 1988 35 40.4 29 .603
Jordan 1989 32.5 40.2 26.5 .614
Jordan 1990 33.6 39 27.7 .606
Kobe 2006 35.4 41 31.7 .559
Durant 2014 32 38.5 25.1 .635
Steph 2016 32 34.3 22.9 .700

Of these incredible scoring seasons, Curry's per-minute average is the highest, a shade above Jordan's 1987. His per-shooting possession average is obviously the highest by about 0.13 points per shooting possession over Durant's 2014. On a 25-possession night, that's more than three points.

Run that back: Steph's incredible efficiency is worth about three points more than the most efficient 30-ppg season in the modern era to date. And he's doing that while scoring more points per minute than any other player in the modern era, including Jordan's 37-ppg season. Jordan's most efficient high-scoring season was 1989. Jordan needed 3.5 more shooting possessions and six more minutes per game to score 0.5 points more than what Curry is putting up.

Yep, we're watching the best scoring season of the modern era. The combination of the three-pointer's increasing importance and Curry's incredible shooting skill is making it possible. The only question is whether he can keep it up.

Link: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/12/4/9841438/stephen-curry-scoring-charts-michael-jordan

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Curry vs Jordan ... !!!
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"In terms of who would come out on top, Chicago or Golden State, Curry was quick to hedge — “It’s hard to compare the teams,” “it’s an impossible debate,” “we want to keep getting better” — but in terms of who would best the other, him or Jordan, in the contest’s final moments, Curry was just as quick to provide the play-by-play of how exactly he would beat No. 23.

“Right to left, step back. I knock it down,” Curry said, referencing a move he executes and a jumper he hits virtually every night these days.

That’s a striking prediction when you remember that Jordan has been considered untouchable for about two decades now. But Curry went even further, questioning even Jordan’s seemingly innate ownership of the title of Greatest Of All Time.

“It’s a high mountain to climb, but I’m pretty motivated to take on the challenge,” he told Alipour. “Whatever that means, however you got on that mountain, why not try to climb it? … Why else would I be playing [if not to try to top Jordan]?”

“You want to be the best you can be. And if the best you can be is better than him, then why not?” he added.

Claiming yourself to be better than or simply in the same conversation as Jordan is effectively blasphemous in certain NBA circles. But if anyone could get away with it right now, it’s this guy: the man with the handles and the jumper, No. 30 in blue and gold — reigning MVP Stephen Curry."


Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-curry-michael-jordan-matchup_us_56670795e4b08e945ff0f6d6

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Game 1-3 asan po sa chicken curry mo?

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Game 1-3 asan po sa chicken curry mo?

Missing in action..

:lol: :shock: :lol:


That's the testament to Warriors' greatness, they doesn't just depend to Curry.

But Steph Curry truly brings the Warriors' fire & high spirit in his teammates.

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Stephen Curry vs. LeBron James: How do Warriors and Cavs stars stack up?

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OAKLAND, Calif. — On the eve of the NBA Finals, the series’ two headlining stars both did their best to downplay, duck and defuse the inevitable head-to-head comparisons. For Cleveland’s LeBron James and Golden State’s Stephen Curry, the goal Wednesday was the same: get through media availability without generating any bulletin board material or distractions.

“I'm not in the business of ranking or debating who is what,” said Curry, the back-to-back MVP, when asked whether he had overtaken James as the NBA’s brightest star. “It's really annoying for me. That's not what I'm playing for, to be the face of the NBA or to be this or that or to take LeBron's throne or whatever. I'm trying to chase rings.”

James, who made headlines last month when he wondered aloud about the difference between being the “Most Valuable" player and the “Best” player, said Wednesday that addressing the issue had been a “mistake” and reiterated that Curry was a deserving winner.

“Steph was definitely the MVP of our league and is the MVP in our league,” James said. “[He’s] a great basketball player, and what he does for this league is amazing.”

• MORE NBA: Finals predictions: Expert picks, X-factors, battles and more

Asked whether James and Curry, who together have won three of the last four titles and six of the last eight MVP awards, are now rivals, he shook his head.

“I don't know, you [media] guys make rivals,” James said. “It's great for the sport. It's great for all sports. I don't think me and Steph—when you talk about rivalries, you talk about [North] Carolina and Duke, you talk about Ohio State and Michigan. It's hard to say LeBron and Steph [unless] there's a smaller scale or another word for a rival.”

James’s point is well-taken: he and Curry play different positions, they play totally different styles, they have totally different body types and their draft classes are separated by six years. James, the child prodigy, is set to make his seventh career Finals appearance and sixth in a row after bursting onto the scene as a rookie. Curry, the lightly recruited late-bloomer, is making just his second Finals appearance after spending most of his rookie deal acclimating to the professional game."

“LeBron's been doing it for I think 13 years now,” Warriors guard Klay Thompson said, when asked to compare the two superstars. “I don't think there's just a face in the NBA. I think there are faces because it's such a star-driven league. … But I think it might be easier for the common fan to relate to Steph because it's hard to be 6'8", 260 and have a 40-inch vert and be the fastest guy on the floor.”

Although Curry finds the comparisons annoying and James was willing to crown Curry this season’s MVP rather than spark another round of arguments, the many contrasts between these two players are worthy of some exploration.

The following 10 charts offer a deeper look at how James and Curry stack up against each other. Thanks to Basketball-Reference.com for the data behind the charts.

LeBron vs. Curry: Career Threes

The chief philosophical battle between James and Curry, at present, involves the three-point line. While James turned himself into a capable three-point shooter during his time with the Heat, Curry is rightly viewed as the front man for the NBA’s three-centric future, as he’s broken seemingly every three-point record there is to break.

The following three charts show the fundamental contrast in how these two stars get their points.

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In this first one, you can see each player’s cumulative three-pointers as they progressed year by year during their career. Even though James had a three-year head start, Curry has already moved past him in career three-pointers. Indeed, Curry’s career total stands at 1,593, easily surpassing James’s total of 1,343.

LeBron vs. Curry: Scoring By Type

This second chart helps reinforce just how crazy it is that Curry, in his seventh season, has surpassed James, who is in his No. 13. Take a look at how James and Curry have accumulated their points during their respective careers. While Curry has surpassed James on threes, there are monstrous gaps between the two players when it comes to two-point baskets and free throws, gaps that obviously favor James. Indeed, James has made more than triple the number of two-point baskets and free throws than Curry at this point in their careers.

LeBron vs. Curry: 402 Three-Pointers

Curry might not be a match for James when it comes to dunking, but no one is a match for Curry when it comes to three-pointers. This season, he hit an NBA record 402 three-pointers on an NBA record 886 attempts, giving him a blistering 45.4% from deep. James, on the other hand, endured his worst three-point shooting season since his rookie year, hitting just 87 threes and connecting at a 30.9% rate.

Curry’s total of 402 three-pointers actually surpasses James’s total for three-pointers over the last three seasons combined. In fact, the following chart illustrates that James needed 282 games dating back to the 2012-13 season to hit 402 threes, the same number Curry hit in 79 games this season.

LeBron vs. Curry: Scoring Average

There’s another key defining contrast between these two players: James quickly achieved and then consistently maintained elite statistical contributions while Curry has risen like a comet after a relatively slow start to his career (by a superstar’s standard, anyway).

• MORE NBA: Why Klay Thompson vs. J.R. Smith could swing 2016 Finals

The following chart compares their scoring numbers by age. This season marks the first time that Curry posted a higher scoring average than James at the same age. Note that James’s peak scoring year—31.4 PPG in 2005-06—still edges Curry’s 30.1 PPG in 2015-16."



Link: http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/02/stephen-curry-lebron-james-nba-finals-warriors-cavaliers-comparison

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Stephen Curry vs. Allen Iverson Comparison

Head-to-head comparison between the NBA stars Allen Iverson and Stephen Curry that includes championships won, honors and awards obtained, regular season and playoffs stats and other data put side by side.

Who scored more points in his career? Who averaged more points in playoffs? Who won more championships? Who led the season more times? Who won more MVP awards? Those questions and many more, are answered here. It includes NBA Championships, seasons, playoffs, awards, statistical data for points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and percentages.

Link: http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/stephen_curry_vs_allen_iverson.htm

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stephen curry now or allen iverson in his prime
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Allen Iverson says Stephen Curry is 'something we've never seen'


In the most recent edition of former NBA superstars in awe of the continued dominance of Stephen Curry: Allen Iverson.

Iverson — the 2001 NBA MVP and a nine-time All-Star — had the highest of praises for the Golden State Warriors' MVP frontrunner recently.

Via Brian Seltzer of Sixers.com:

"You know that that guy is here. He's incredible. He's different. He's different. He's something we've never seen. We've never seen this. It's crazy to me, like just me being the biggest Michael Jordan fan, to see somebody come around like this. I have my idea of me being incredible, you know what I mean? But this dude right here, like it's different. It's a whole different monster, as far as his handle and the way he shoots? C'mon. You know you ain't never seen nothing like this."

Iverson is widely considered as one of the best ball handlers and pound-for-pound players of all-time, so his praise of Curry is all the more meaningful. He was far from the first player to express his admiration for Curry's game lately, and we have a feeling that he won't be the last.

As for Iverson, he was recently selected as a finalist for the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame's class of 2016, and will likely be announced as an official inductee on April 4 in Houston during the Final Four.
Link: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/03/14/allen-iverson-says-stephen-curry-something-weve-never-seen/81762756/

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O, mang Kirby.. mang Junorz... Mukhang natameme na kayo ah.. :shock:

Paasssooook !!!

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Game 1-3 asan po sa chicken curry mo?

Missing in action..

:lol: :shock: :lol:


Jordan performed better in NBA Finals. 6 MVPs!!

Etong si chicken Curry, naglalaho.

Pag mananalo this year, baka si Klay pa maging MVP. Ano ba yan?

2 Rings, teammates ang naging MVP, paano magiging greatest????


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Comprehension manay juna..
Antay antay ka lang..

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Comprehension manay juna..
Antay antay ka lang..

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Ok. Antay ako. Gugel at youtube muna manay.

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Handcheck... :D

Masyadong sensationalized si curry. Magaling naman sya in fairness. But not as good as jordan.


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Junorz wrote:
theboxer69 wrote:
Game 1-3 asan po sa chicken curry mo?

Missing in action..

:lol: :shock: :lol:


Jordan performed better in NBA Finals. 6 MVPs!!

Etong si chicken Curry, naglalaho.

Pag mananalo this year, baka si Klay pa maging MVP. Ano ba yan?

2 Rings, teammates ang naging MVP, paano magiging greatest????


1st championsip nila sino naging finals mvp?

Si iggy ang mvp na bench boy lang..

Yan ang greatness ni chicken curry..

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Steph Curry is Back-to-Back MVP !

And just became the first unanimous MVP in NBA history even he got to deal first with Best Player on The Planet!


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Junorz wrote:
theboxer69 wrote:
Game 1-3 asan po sa chicken curry mo?

Missing in action..

:lol: :shock: :lol:


Jordan performed better in NBA Finals. 6 MVPs!!

Etong si chicken Curry, naglalaho.

Pag mananalo this year, baka si Klay pa maging MVP. Ano ba yan?

2 Rings, teammates ang naging MVP, paano magiging greatest????


The fact is MJ wasn't even the best defender on his own team. Lols

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