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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:51 pm 
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We lost because of that auto goal basket by kwame & luke. :D

Seriously, poor FT shooting esp by Kobe(apparently injured) was a major concern.. We could have easily hanged on 'til late period and escape with a win.

Finally, Great game! Down the wire finish! it was the most exciting game among the 3 opening games today..thats what Laker basketball is all about.


Bro its just disappointing to know that some of the audience at staple center keep on booing kobe.

cmon lets give the man a break 45pts with injury I think he dont deserve that boo thing.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:39 pm 
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Deng is a deal-breaker
Magic says Kobe trade won't happen because Bulls won't include forward

October 31, 2007
BY BRIAN HANLEY bhanley@suntimes.com

Bulls general manager John Paxson didn't travel with the team Tuesday to New Jersey, where the Bulls open the season tonight against the Nets.

Paxson had plenty of work to do at home, including trade negotiations with the Los Angeles Lakers for Kobe Bryant. But those talks seemed to have lost some momentum.

Lakers vice president Magic Johnson said the deal isn't going to happen.

''A deal can't get done because they won't include [Luol] Deng,'' Johnson said Tuesday on TNT. ''And without Deng, a deal can't get done.''

Johnson also hinted that talks of bringing Indiana Pacers All-Star Jermaine O'Neal to the Lakers to join Bryant have resurfaced.

Paxson also had to deal with a contract extension for Deng.

Today is the league deadline for Deng and Ben Gordon to sign such extensions. Gordon's asking price is believed to be well more than the team's offer of five years and $50 million.

Johnson said the Bulls and Lakers could not put together a trade that would satisfy the league's money requirement for such a deal. The total salaries of the players sent to Los Angeles for Bryant must be within 15 percent of the $19 million Bryant will make this season.

A source close to the Phoenix Suns shot down a rumored three-team deal that would've had the Bulls landing Bryant, Gordon and the Suns' Shawn Marion going to the Lakers and a package of Tyrus Thomas and other considerations heading to Phoenix.

The Suns source said the team would be interested in discussing such a deal but that Phoenix last talked trade with the Lakers for Bryant some 10 days ago, and the conversation went nowhere.

Mark Bartelstein, the Chicago-based agent for P.J. Brown, said he had not been contacted by the Bulls or any other team to facilitate a sign-and-trade deal for the former Bulls forward to help match money for a Bryant trade.

Deng said he wouldn't agree to the Bulls' current contract-extension offer of five years and $50 million. ''The deadline is just closer; [the offer] is the same thing,'' Deng said. ''I'm pretty sure we'll talk again. I'd rather see it happen.''

Deng, who met with Paxson on Monday, and Gordon would have to wait until next summer, when the pair would be restricted free agents, to negotiate an extension if they fail to come to terms today.

Paxson said he'd withhold comment on the extensions until today.

''Things are fine; they're the same way they've been,'' Deng said of his relationship with Paxson, who likely will not raise his offer substantially. ''It was a good meeting just to know where we both stand and what we both wanted to talk about. I understand it's business.''

Gordon, who indicated Monday he also would not agree to a five-year, $50 million extension, said he didn't worry about what Deng might be offered. Deng said the same of Gordon.

''That's not in the back of my mind at all,'' Deng said. ''I'm not really worried about what's going on with Ben. I just hope the best for him. I hope he gets what he wants. That's the same thing I'm trying to do.

''If he gets more, he gets more. It is what it is.''

Deng said if he doesn't sign an extension today, he wouldn't let it bother him.

''I'm still going to do what I'm supposed to do; I'm trying to be better than I was last year,'' he said. ''It just happens to be my contract year, and you have to negotiate these things. But, as a mind-set, I'm going to go out and try to do what I did last year and just play basketball.''


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:46 pm 
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i think kobe deserved the boo.. yeah he got 45 pts but he shot the ball 35 times

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:35 pm 
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i think kobe deserved the boo.. yeah he got 45 pts but he shot the ball 35 times




and how many FTs did he miss? difference of the game

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:48 am 
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i hope we don't get any more primetime nationally televised games.. kobe feels the need to show off during those games 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:13 am 
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kobe was back 2 normal... that was a monster game.. f@ck shooting 35 shoot 50 shots


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:31 am 
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battier for 3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 lakers just got owned @ home :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:58 am 
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I think its not the number of shots by Kobe or any other player for that matter to be called the MAN.. its how you deliver the goods in crucial situations and obviously Kobe is in the forefront of that description.He didn't backed down nor back pedalled a bit as he led a heart stopping late charge rally that disappointingly fell short.

Remember Vince Carter was a favorite whipping boy by some sports analysts because of his penchant for not taking the responsibility during crunchtime and so was Lebron for opting to pass a wide open shot in crucial seconds of the game that led to a loss...

No excuse though, Kobe's poor FT was a major sore that hurt the team..(but even Luke Walton,Bynum,Evans missed vital FTs).Lets see what happens in the coming games..


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I just saw Cavs vs Mavs Game on tv (Mavs wins by 18pts,btw).. Mavs were leading by double digits at the start of 4th qtr and i was hoping for lEbron to be aggresive and takeover the game since he's the franchise player and most of his teammates were clanking their every shots.. If you watch the final qtr,Lebron seemed contented passing the ball with no sign of imminent movement to lead a rally and launch a personal takeover a thing he's very much capable of. I even thought Lebron was hurting or even sick!

The reason i brought this up is not to downgrade Lebron (he's my MVP bet actually for this yr) but because i learn to appreciate what Fisher,Kobe and the Lakers did last night against Houston that even though we lost, at least we showed strong character,resiliency and will to fight back especially at end games.It is this kind of character that best describes a team in search of respect and credibility from non-believers..


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kobe is vetoing any deal involving luol deng? **** that fool.. what a scumbag!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:09 pm 
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UE! wrote:
unbelievable.. kobe is detrimental to the team right now.. please trade his as$!!! he's too much of a distraction and his shot selection is horrible


hey BRO! WASSUP! lakers will not be lakers without kobe this season..

it's too early to worry.. we'll see first the first month of the season..


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Magic weighs in, and it's heavy

Johnson, a team vice president and minority owner, criticizes both management and star player. Meanwhile, Odom is hurt in car accident.

By Mike Bresnahan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
November 1, 2007


On day two of the regular season, the Lakers' uneasiness continued.

Magic Johnson, who owns almost 5% of the team, offered critical remarks toward the organization and a biting analysis of the Kobe Bryant trade saga during his stint as a TNT analyst for the Lakers' season-opening loss to Houston on Tuesday night. Johnson also suggested Lakers owner Jerry Buss could provide a calming voice to the situation.

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Buss, however, was not at Tuesday's game and will not be at Friday's game in Phoenix because of a two-game suspension handed down by NBA Commissioner David Stern after Buss pleaded guilty to misdemeanor drunk driving in September. Buss was also fined $25,000 by the league.

Meanwhile, forward Lamar Odom on Tuesday suffered a mild concussion from a car accident. He was driving to the team's shoot-around when he was involved in a two-car crash in Hawthorne. Odom went to a hospital for a CT scan. It will not affect his comeback from a sore shoulder that could keep him sidelined for two more weeks, the team said.

In part because of Odom's absence, Johnson wasn't overly optimistic about the team.

"The Lakers are always going to have a hard time if they don't have all their weapons," Johnson said during the telecast. "Without Lamar Odom, the Lakers are a very average team, and with him they are still the seventh- or eighth-seed team, so you can't expect them to go up against a playoff-contender team and expect them to win the game."

Johnson is also advocating a quick solution, be it Bryant staying or Bryant going.

"Watching the players and looking at their body language, they are going to have to make a decision about Kobe in the next week or two. It's got to come to a head," Johnson said. "You've either got to trade him or come out and say you're going to keep him. Even Kobe needs it. He missed nine free throws [Tuesday]. It's on his mind too."

Bryant's response: "He's the owner. He should know something. I don't worry about it. I think about playing. I've got to worry about Phoenix [on Friday]. That's enough."

On the other hand, Johnson said the best outcome was not dealing Bryant.

"I don't think he's going to get traded," Johnson said. "I think they'll try to keep him and make something happen in terms of trying to improve the team."

Johnson could not be reached Wednesday.

The Lakers have had off-and-on talks with Indiana about Jermaine O'Neal, who expressed his unhappiness with the Pacers during the off-season. But with teams curious to see how they start out, there has not been any movement in those discussions.

Johnson has some experience in this area. He asked to be traded in November 1981. Almost the entire Lakers team had revolted against then-coach Paul Westhead when Johnson said, "I've got to go. . . . I haven't been happy all season. . . . I'm going to talk to the man tomorrow and see if a trade will happen."

That "man" was Buss. Westhead was fired the next day.

Johnson, like Bryant, wanted to go to Chicago or maybe even New York, but he found fault with Bryant's desire to go to the Bulls. "Chicago is one of the first teams he said he'd want to be traded to, but what we have to understand, even if he does go to Chicago, he's not going to be in a better situation because we're going to take all their best players and he's going to end up being in the same situation," Johnson said. "Chicago with Kobe, with the guys they will have left after the Lakers take what they want, [is] not going to beat the other top teams in the East."

It all comes back to Shaquille O'Neal, Johnson said, saying it was too bad Bryant and O'Neal couldn't work together because having so much talent on one team was so rare.

Johnson shared the spotlight with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, which was good enough for five championships in the 1980s.

"If Kobe would have been smart, he would have mended those fences with Shaquille, let Shaquille be 'The Man' and we wouldn't be in this position," Johnson said. "Now, after four years later, he understands that he can't do it by himself. Now he's blaming the organization, and some of that blame should be on him and some on the organization."

Johnson also had pointed words for the upper reaches of the Lakers' hierarchy. "I'm upset with the management because there should only be one voice coming out of the Lakers organization," he said.

"Right now you have too many voices -- Jim Buss, Mitch [Kupchak], you have too many people talking.

"Dr. Buss, if he wants to take the reins and be the only voice, he should be the only voice. Or if it's Mitch, whoever it is, it should just be one voice like we used to have with Jerry West."

Johnson, who presides over a slew of successful private enterprises, is relatively well-informed when it comes to the general goings-on of the Lakers, but he is not involved in day-to-day decision-making.

A day later, the boos were still being discussed.

Bryant was booed during pregame introductions Tuesday at Staples Center. He was also jeered the first time he touched the ball, but as the game went on, Lakers fans began cheering for him. "It just felt good to hear them come back around later in the game," Bryant said Wednesday. "That's the most important thing. They know. A smart fan can kind of read between the lines and can kind of decide for themselves what's really going on. I just let it be. I just want to go out there and play the game that I love to play."

The driver of the other car in Odom's accident was identified as a 37-year-old woman from Downey. "At the time of the accident, it appeared the woman sustained very minor injuries,"


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i think kobe deserved the boo.. yeah he got 45 pts but he shot the ball 35 times


Kobe not rattled by things that go boo in the night

By Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
November 1, 2007



He is always the last of the five Lakers starters introduced at Staples Center. The cheers are loud and enthusiastic as a Luke Walton or a Kwame Brown races onto the court. But when Kobe Bryant's name is announced, the decibel level rises, the cheers turning into a roar of approval.

But not Tuesday night.

The crowd should have been in an especially good mood since it was opening night and the players were being introduced by Marge Hearn, the 90-year-old widow of former Lakers announcer Chick Hearn. But when Bryant's name came up, the cheers were largely drowned out by boos cascading from the seats.

The response had apparently been triggered by the ugly situation Bryant and his team find themselves in, the Lakers superstar publicly expressing his displeasure with the team and his desire to be traded -- a wish he later withdrew -- owner Jerry Buss publicly admitting he is entertaining trade offers and Coach Phil Jackson recently saying Bryant "hasn't thrown his heart and soul into performing on the floor."

Asked after Tuesday's game if it was the first time he had been booed at Staples Center, Bryant, rather than taking offense, cracked a smile.

"No, it wasn't," he said. "I've had a couple of 10-for-40s [shooting nights]. I understand where they are coming from. Nobody knows the entire situation because I just keep my mouth shut. As I should. But it was good to see them come back to normal later in the game."

That was when the Lakers, led by Bryant's 45 points, made a spirited comeback against the Houston Rockets, going on a 12-0 run to tie the score before losing, 95-93.

Since the fans are out of the loop, according to Bryant, is there something he could tell them to make them better informed?

"Nothing," he said. "They shouldn't worry about it. They should just focus on watching us play and watching us do what we do. And the business end should remain behind closed doors."

Asked about the boos, guard Derek Fisher, making his return to the Lakers on Tuesday night after a three-season absence, said with a smile, "I thought that was for me."

Lakers Hall of Famer Magic Johnson, who owns 5% of the team, said on the telecast of Tuesday's game that Bryant's situation needed to be resolved within a week for the good of all concerned.

"He's the owner," said Bryant in response Tuesday night. "He should know something. I don't worry about it. I think about playing. I've got to worry about Phoenix [the Lakers' next opponent]. That's enough."


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kobe is vetoing any deal involving luol deng? **** that fool.. what a scumbag!




not only does he want to leave, he wants to SCREW us too....man, what a fukking little BIATCH

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