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US Bases, Yes or No
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:57 am 
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When it comes to geopolitics research always lead me back to NWO and Illuminati.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:15 am 
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US bases Yes or No? There is nothing we can do about it. No. 1 pet ang Pinas ng US. What they will implement on US soil, they will certainly do in the RP.

Laughable these may seem for now, but I would rather err on the side of caution than err on the side of complacency.

READ, brothers. Mas mabuti na'ng aware kesa magulat na lang sa bandang huli.

Ang tanong ay YES or NO. "There is nothing we can do" is VAGUE, meaning you get it right either way, right? 8)

Your last sentence sounds like those of a PASTOR.

Di pa ba sapat ang BIBLIYA ni Manny para malaman ang lahat ng ito? :? :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:15 am 
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phantom engineer wrote:
Japan and China already had talks of trading their Yuan and Yen, with plans of dumping the dying US dollar.

The Illuminati is no longer a conspiracy theory. They control the Central Banks of the world. They are out in the open, nalilibang lang tayo ng mainstream media which they control.
American idol, Olympic events, alien movies, et cetera. Wait until it finally happens.

On 2013, Obamacare will require American residents to receive implanted chips (Radio Frequency ID) in their bodies supposedly for data gathering o kung para saan man yun. Para daw madali ang mga transactions at alam lahat ng detalye nila. Susunod na siguro dyan naka-connect na ang bank account mo sa chip para dun ka na bibili at magbabayad. We're all tagged and numbered! No chip-no trade-no travel. Naalala ko tuloy noon yung coding sa numbering sa tenga ng baboy, kaya may tapyas ang tenga ng baboy sa malalaking farms. MARKA yun para alam kung sino ang susunod na dadalhin sa market para katayin.

RE US bases, baka naman tine-train na ang local authorities (why do we call them corrupt morons authorities anyway?) ng mga US Forces kung paano tayo i-detain without charge or trial, BAKA DAW KASI TERORISTA TAYO. It's already the law sa US. NDAA law.
http://rt.com/usa/news/ndaa-judge-obama-forrest-295/

US bases Yes or No? There is nothing we can do about it. No. 1 pet ang Pinas ng US. What they will implement on US soil, they will certainly do in the RP.

Laughable these may seem for now, but I would rather err on the side of caution than err on the side of complacency.

READ, brothers. Mas mabuti na'ng aware kesa magulat na lang sa bandang huli.


George Soros have been saying it for quite a while na ang Chinese Yuan will possibly take over US currency as the world's currency. It could really happen because America is in serious debt. Try and recall not so long ago it's A1 credit status was taken away. Can the US dollar be toppled? Absolutely. Dati kasi before the US dollar the premiere world currency was British Money. It's the Chinese dragon's turn. That one I hope I live to see para kumita ang mga Yuan investors like myself ng marami. Hahaha!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:28 am 
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mexifan wrote:

George Soros have been saying it for quite a while na ang Chinese Yuan will possibly take over US currency as the world's currency. It could really happen because America is in serious debt. Try and recall not so long ago it's A1 credit status was taken away. Can the US dollar be toppled? Absolutely. Dati kasi before the US dollar the premiere world currency was British Money. It's the Chinese dragon's turn. That one I hope I live to see para kumita ang mga Yuan investors like myself ng marami. Hahaha!


Paano na kaming gustong kumita o makinabang sa pagkakaroon ng US Bases dito? :?

Paano na kaming walang $ at Yuan accounts? Huwag mong solohin ang kita, Mexifan. :D

Dapat sinikreto mo na lang yang accounts mo, at di ka nag-violate ng FCDA Law. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:24 pm 
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reigncourts wrote:
mexifan wrote:

George Soros have been saying it for quite a while na ang Chinese Yuan will possibly take over US currency as the world's currency. It could really happen because America is in serious debt. Try and recall not so long ago it's A1 credit status was taken away. Can the US dollar be toppled? Absolutely. Dati kasi before the US dollar the premiere world currency was British Money. It's the Chinese dragon's turn. That one I hope I live to see para kumita ang mga Yuan investors like myself ng marami. Hahaha!


Paano na kaming gustong kumita o makinabang sa pagkakaroon ng US Bases dito? :?

Paano na kaming walang $ at Yuan accounts? Huwag mong solohin ang kita, Mexifan. :D

Dapat sinikreto mo na lang yang accounts mo, at di ka nag-violate ng FCDA Law. :lol:


By all means pag kakitaan ang kano. Bentahan natin ng mga productong galing China. :lol:

Hirap kaya mag bukas ng Yuan account sa BDO. Ang daming tanong at kailangan ng rason kung bakit ka magbubukas. Harang.

BTW hindi naman kailangan na limpak limpak ang pera para mag bukas ng foreign account nor should we rely on it in investing. Spread your eggs ang advice ng karamihan.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:30 pm 
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I will go out on a limb and answer a non popular answer to the rest of you guys here, pero here is Why I am not too keen on the U.S. bases...

Ako personally, I have no problem of U.S. presence except bases (presence ha not bases, balikatan exercises is an example of presence), specially if I can see na they will act accordingly within the laws of their occupied/host country.

Unfortunately hindi naman ganun ang nangyayari. So I'm not too keen on this "return" of U.S. bases. Kahit na naiintindihan ko na it will also be of "some" advantage to us specially now that we have a dispute on territorial claims against China.

I still don't like the idea, siguro military to military exercises pa pwede, like the Balikatan o Carat naval exercises we have now, I see nothing wrong with that as long as equal ang terms ng mga participants.

Didiretsuhin ko na kayo...

Ang problema kasi sa mga Kanong sundalo e pag nasa ibang lugar sila, umaasta silang parang mga lords or worst parang mga savages na nakawala. Bakit ko nasabi yan?

Masasaktan ang mga Pro-Kano na nandito sa forums, pero yan ay katotohanan based sa track record nila specially here in Asia, with regards to U.S. bases.

Para bang nagkakaroon sila ng split personality na kung saan pinaggagagawa nila ang mga kahayupang bagay na alam mo na hindi nila likely gagawin sa bansa nila sa Amerika or baka nga ginagawa nila ang ganun sa bansa nila at hindi naman katanggap tanggap dito... :roll:

Yung nangyari kay Nicole sa Subic ay isang example ng date rape yun, and please dun sa mga Pro-Kano dito (uunahan ko na kayo)... wag nyo nang i-justify na consensual sex ang nangyari, dahil maraming nakakita na itapon nila si Nicole sa gilid ng kalsada (gutter) habang lupaypay, dazed o wala sa sarili at nakabaliktad ang suot na pantalon (yung likod ay nasa harap), half worn (kita ang panty dahil hindi nakasuot ang pantalon ng maayos), yun ay ayon sa news habang iniinterview ang security guard at vendor sa Subic na nakasaksi sa mga pangyayari. :(

Kahit na prostitute nga e hindi mo naman itatapon ng ganun ang itsura sa gilid ng kalsada pagtapos ng inyong rendezvous diba? Respeto na lang sa babae yun o respeto sa pagkatao ang tawag dun, kasi kahit na bayaran pa ang isang babae tao pa rin yun.

O baka sabihin nyo naman na isolated case lang yung kay Nicole? Naku hindi mga mare at pare! sa katunayan ay nangyayari talaga ang mga ganyan all over Asia where there are U.S. bases.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:33 pm 
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Here is an example:

US soldier jailed for rape in South Korea

A US soldier based in South Korea has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping a teenager near his base.

The 21-year-old broke into the studio room of the woman and carried out a sexual attack lasting several hours, threatening her with scissors.

The judge called it a "violent and abnormal assault".

The sentence was one of the longest given to a US soldier in South Korea. US government and military officials have apologised publicly for the rape.

Crimes committed by US soldiers in the past have sparked public protests against the American military presence in South Korea.

The soldier, whose name has not been made public, attacked the 18-year-old in the early hours of 24 September.

He broke into her room near the his base in Dongducheon city.

The court said the soldier had also stolen 5,000 won ($4.50; £2.80) from the woman before he fled.

"He deserves a stern punishment as there were no efforts to compensate the victim or remedy the assault," said the judge.

America has more than 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea - a legacy from the 1950-53 Korean War.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Seoul says much of the public anger over their presence surrounds the question of who has jurisdiction to try them in criminal cases.

The military pact between the two countries states that America has jurisdiction to try its South Korea-based soldiers.

But military officials say in recent years they have honoured every request from the South Korean authorities to try American personnel accused of serious crimes, our correspondent adds.

The heaviest sentence handed down by a South Korean court was for a US soldier convicted of murder in the early 1990s. He was jailed for life, but later had his sentenced commuted and was freed in 2006.

Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15533011

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:38 pm 
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imo yes lalo na sa panahon ngayon na anytime may balak na masama ang china

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Here is another one:

US Soldier Convicted of Rape in Imperial Installation in South Korea


A three-judge panel on Wednesday sentenced a U.S. soldier to six years in prison for raping a South Korean teenager in September.

Pvt. Kevin Robinson was found guilty of raping the 17-year-old at her residence in Seoul after a night of drinking. He also was convicted of larceny for stealing the victim’s laptop.

Unfortunately, this isn’t uncommon in countries where thousands of U.S. troops have been essentially permanently based. There was another high-profile case of rape last year in which “Pvt. Kevin Lee Flippin was sentenced to 10 years in prison for brutally raping another South Korean teenager.” These two cases prompted widespread protests in South Korea and “led to calls for changes to the U.S.-South Korea Status of Forces Agreement regarding the treatment of U.S. servicemembers suspected of crimes,” since they are often granted immunity.

Japan is another classic case of this. Between 1972 and 2009, there were 5,634 criminal offenses committed by U.S. servicemen in Japan, including 25 murders, 385 burglaries, 25 arsons, 127 rapes, 306 assaults and 2,827 thefts. Japanese citizens have protested against U.S. military presence on their land for decades.

Meanwhile, the locations for essentially permanent U.S. military bases are multiplying in Asia, Latin America, and the Middle East.

Link: http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/05/09/us-soldier-convicted-of-rape-in-imperial-installation-in-south-korea/

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:47 pm 
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Eto pa:

U.S. soldiers accused of raping two South Korean teenage girls as general apologises for causing 'pain' amid protests

Two U.S. soldiers have been accused of raping teenage girls in South Korea in separate incidents, prompting U.S. military officials to apologise Saturday as they tried to ease growing public anger.

Army Brigadier General David Conboy, who supervises the U.S. garrison in Seoul, issued a statement apologising for 'pain' caused by the alleged assaults.

In the first incident, a U.S. soldier is accused of attacking a girl in her rented room in the country's capital on September 17.

The solider - a private in his early 20s - is being questioned by police but has not been arrested.

Another U.S. private has been arrested on suspicion of raping a teenage girl on September 24 in a city north of Seoul.

The top U.S. diplomat for East Asia, Kurt Campbell, also apologised on Friday for what he called a 'tragic and inexcusable rape that took place about a week ago.'

It was not clear which of the two incidents he was referring to.

The alleged assaults have prompted small protests near the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, while the internet has been swamped with Koreans expressing their anger.

On Saturday, a minor labour party official called for the movement of American soldiers outside their bases to be retricted.

The U.S. has 28,500 troops stationed in South Korea, a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War.

Gen. James Thurman, America's top commander in South Korea, said Friday that he has introduced a curfew following 'the incidents over the last several months.'

He did not clarify his comments, but said the curfew would last 30 days.

U.S. officials are wary of an anti-American sentiment that could be rekindled in countries where their troops are stationed.

In 2002, the acquittals of two American soldiers whose armoured vehicle ran over and killed two South Korean schoolgirls during training prompted nationwide protests against the U.S. military presence in the country.

In 1995, the rape of a 12-year-old Japanese girl by U.S. service members in Okinawa sparked one of the biggest anti-U.S. protests in Japan.

About 50,000 U.S. troops are stationed in Japan in a post-World War II security pact.

Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046998/U-S-soldiers-raped-South-Korean-teenage-girls.html

Nabasa ko sa Yahoo before about this, ang pagkakatanda ko convicted na yang mga yan for 8 years if my memory serves me right, can't seem to find the article anymore.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:52 pm 
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There's a positive and negative side in letting the mighty America build their military bases in our country again. However, at the end of the day the positive/ beneficial effects will certainly outweigh the negative/ disadvantages.

Just try to ponder this; do you think China will be bold enough to bully its small neighbors when up to this time the US Naval and Air Force bases are still here in our country???.... Most probably not.

IMHO, US Forces in our own soil will be a good deterrent against the emerging powerhouse in Asia.

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With all that I've posted... I hope we all get a clear view or a better idea kung ano ang pinapasok natin.

You'd better ask yourselves why the Japanese people of Okinawa wants to get rid of the U.S. bases so badly there and why their former leader in the past have resigned because he could not deliver his promise to his people, of getting rid of U.S. bases in Okinawa. :roll:.

I understand na sa ngayon, with our current situation of helplessness, with regards to securing our territorial sovereignty, na kapit sa patalim na ang mindset ng iba sa atin, pero I think it should not be the case. We should think kung ano ang makakabuti sa atin in the long run, kung ano ang makakabuti sa future generations ng mga Pilipino.

Gagawin ko nang simple ha, Its like this, ganito ang nangyayari... Kapalit ng security mo ay ang pagpapababa ng pagkatao mo, ang paglunok mo ng lahat ng gagawin sa iyo kahit na gaano ito kapait, kababoy at hindi makatao.

Ganyan ang dillema ng mga taga S. Korea ngayon, kahit na hindi nila masikmura ang pinaggagagawa sa mga daughters, wives, mothers and women nila wala silang magawa... :? dahil kung papaalisin nila ang mga U.S. bases e siguradong susugurin naman sila ng Chinese puppet na North Korea.

Napakasakit na isipin na pati tayo e kailangan makatikim ng ganyang kapait na sitwasyon, at sa totoo lang hindi ako makapayag ng ganun. Mas gusto ko na sana e we provide our own people with security kaysa sapitin natin ang ganyan. :(

Masakit na isipin na kahit sa sarili nating tahanan e api pa rin tayo. :(

Kaya isipin nating mabuti to. Ako I am not too keen/enthusiastic about this "return" of U.S. bases. I am inclined to think na we can still think of a creative way to solve our problem of territorial integrity. I believe in us.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:21 pm 
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US Bases huh,
Many of our countrymen think it will be for our protection
without realizing that we could become the
frontline of the US vs China War.

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The only way to settle this issue is to put this through referendum.

Besides, it will be the people who will ultimately decide what they want for our country. Just like what I had said; there's always two side of the coin on this issue. There's always a positive and negative side, there's always benefits and disadvantages.

The country through referendum should weigh the pros and cons and come up with a unified stand regarding this issue. :mrgreen:

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bbimok_taurus wrote:
The only way to settle this issue is to put this through referendum.

Besides, it will be the people who will ultimately decide what they want for our country. Just like what I had said; there's always two side of the coin on this issue. There's always a positive and negative side, there's always benefits and disadvantages.

The country through referendum should weigh the pros and cons and come up with a unified stand regarding this issue. :mrgreen:

A referendum will almost always divide the people. The law provides it is the Executive, with the
approval of Congress (Senate ?) who can make Treaties with other countries. :)

Di ba dapat mauna ang request ng US o pagbabago ng Mutual Defense Treaty, kaysa anumang referendum?
E kung sinabi ng US na ok na ang Balikatan at wala nang budget para sa bases, may magagawa ba tayo? :roll:

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