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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:55 am 
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don robert wrote:
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ano ba sinabi dun sa link mo? di ba sabi temporary.

T-E-M-P-O-R-A-R-Y.

kailangan pa ata i-spell para makita mo. di mo naman binabasa link mo eh, huwag ka na lang mag post.

at kelan lang nagka pera ang mga Romualdez upang magbigay ng ganyan sa mga tao? saan sila kumuha ng pera, aber?

S-A-A-N.

alam mo ba ang pruweba kung ano ang napapala ng mga tao na naniniwala sa Gagong Lipunan? nung kasagsagan ng bagyong Yolanda last year, ang mga Romualdez nasa resort nila.

ganyan mag isip ang mga tao under sa Gagong Lipunan. tapos maniniwala ka na Romualdez kaya magbigay ng tulong tulad ng bunk houses na nasa picture na yan. saan nga sila kukuha ng pera?

S-A-A-N.

lokohin nyo pa ang lelang nyong panut, huwag kami.



Sa umpisa pa lang sinabi ko na, not a need to compare with any other project.
DR, you looked at the angle of Romualdez instead of the project issue.
indeed, it's temporary... Dahil ba dun okay na marupok at walang kwenta? Yung mga barong barong ng mga mangingisda sa ilang coastal areas, were able to withstand yung bagyo... Etong government well funded bunkhouses, tarapal na lang...

Ang temporary mo, nalagyan pa ulit ng isa pang temporary tarapal. Ak ak ak (pahiram antats)... My @ss

Gungg0ng na lang talaga ang nagpapaniwala. Clearly a "palusuting" by the palace.


ok, le-level ako sa iyo. i disagree with the bunk houses also. kasi ang presidente natin, ayaw gumastos ng malaki for a temporary solution. gusto nya, pagnagpatayo ng mga bahay lilipatan ng mga nasalanta ng bagyo, kelangan matibay. ito rin sinabi ni Lacson, kaya sabi nya, sundin nya, wala syang magawa.

huwag mo na akong pinagloloko sa mga barong barong na bahay ng mangingisda din nasira. syempre, wala namang bagyo dumaan dun eh.

Oh Thought mo!



Great... Lelevel ak ak ak...
Ano ka, alien to level with a homo sapien?
Baka mukhang alien :lol:

Pinas is an archipelago, walang nadaanan na mga bahay ng mangingisda? O wala ka napansin sa chosen station mo?

temporary bunkhouses , dapat na nadefined na pangtao.. di masyado makatao pinaggagagawa nila eh... Nasalanta na, di pa makampanti. My @ss, too much for the Not gag0ng lipunan.


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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:10 am 
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edap wrote:
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ito pa ang galing talaga pagdating sa mga project. :biglaugh:

project din pala ni makoy ang pnr. :lol: :lol:



on the image: A mis-informed loyalist, a misunderstood statement from a poster or a post from a pretentious loyalist.

Di kelangan ni BBM ang projects ni elder Marcos to get a record for himself. It's actually a double-edged sword with the current climate.

You could just go to the records of the Senate and see who are those working... See the district and province records he has governed with and there you will find the answer - can be good or bad to you depending on what you're expecting.


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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:45 am 
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mang pinoy### malakas ang kutob kong hindi totoong mga loyalista ang may kagagawan ng mga iyan. gawa iyan ng mga gustong siraan ang pamilyang marcos.


nagpapagod pa ang mga lekat e wala namang masisira pa sa pamilyang iyan. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
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edap wrote:
mang pinoy### malakas ang kutob kong hindi totoong mga loyalista ang may kagagawan ng mga iyan. gawa iyan ng mga gustong siraan ang pamilyang marcos.


nagpapagod pa ang mga lekat e wala namang masisira pa sa pamilyang iyan. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:



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Ano pa ang masisira sa gag0ng lipunan na iyan - DR :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
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e di si mang pinoy### nga kayo. :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
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edap wrote:
e di si mang pinoy### nga kayo. :lol: :lol:


Hehek..
Sino ba talaga ako? Sabi ng iba si antats, ikaw si mang pinoy###. San mo naman napulot na IP checker yan :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:05 pm 
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AnTararatan wrote:
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so ngayon, biglang kambyo na, magtatanong ka na ilang dekada. pero sa nauna mong pinost, hinusgahan mo na. kesyo Japan at SKorea nakabangon na, Pinas hindi pa. kayo talagang mga sapi ni apo Macoy, napaka sinungaling nyo. pati yung windmill sa Ilocos, kesyo nilagay dun una, bigay nyo agad ang compliments sa mga Marcos, eh wala naman silang kinalaman sa proyektong ito kung di pa nilagay sa lugar nila.

paano kayo makakahatak ng botante nyan, eh napakasinungaling nyo. akala ko ba, bagong lipunan? eh pareho din yan dati, gagong lipunan!

mas maayos ba buhay ngayon kumpara nung panahon ni Marcos? aba di hamak!
mas safe ba feeling ng pinoy ngayon? aba di hamak!

bulag ka ba at di mo nakikita ang mga proyekto ng gobyerno? nalalaman mo ang mga tulad ng patayan or salvage, nakawan sa gobyerno, kasi nababalita ng media, napapanood sa tv, naririning sa radyo. eh sa panahon ni Marcos, halos wala. kontrolado ng gobyerno ang information, eh ano pa makukuha mong impormasyun nyan kung kino kontrol ng gobyerno.

at uulitin ko. ang mag post ka dito upang magbigay kritisismo sa administrasyun ngayon or sa anong ahensya ng gobyerno, iyan ang regalo sa iyo nung pinaalis sa pwesto si Marcos.

huwag mo namang sabihin na nagkaron tayo ng tulad ng freedom of speech dahil sa mga Marcos.

katangahan na yan, of the highest form.



Kambyo ka dyan... Get back a bit and you'll see natanong na ito sa una pa lang.
kaso, palusuting as you are, you tend to turn blind eye sa mga puntos na alam mo mali pero pilit mong pinangangatawanan. Ak ak ak !

Hindi ito scholastic debate contest :lol:
nagtatanong lang nama mula pa sa una, tama ba talaga ang choice ng 1986 o mas **** pa sa sinasabi mong lipunan? Bakit mahirap pa rin ang buhay buhay, mas humirap pa sa nakararami. Bakit magulo, na gusto ng nakararami at kamay na bakal... Di ba kamay na bakal ang martial law kya inayawan ng ilan? Bakit ang nakararami na sa normal na Pilipino, militante man o hindi ay hindi masabing may siguridad kapag lumabas ng bahay? Minsan, kahit nasa bahay.

Prejudicial killings, media killings, etc,.. exclusive sa Marcos time?

May kaibahan ba ang control ng gobyerno noon sa balita sa kontrol sa balita ngayon? It's just privitized to cover those sitting and running the country. My @ss!


asuuus, natanong na mula pa. wala ka pala eh, pag na ipit ka, kakambyo kambyo ka ng salita!

tulad nung windfam mo sa Bangui, Ilocos. nung pinuna na walang kinalaman mga Marcos dun, biglang kumambyo ka rin. tapos itong huli sabi mo umahon na Japan at SKorea, Pinas hindi pa.

sauce na maanghang. ikaw ba gumawa ng kanta na kambyo? :lol:

mag google ka, para magkalaman utak mo, tungkol sa Gagong Lipunan nung panahon ni Marcos.

ito sample, basa:

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On October 17, 1983, it was announced that the Philippines was unable to meet debt-service obligations on its foreign-currency debt of US$24.4 billion and was asking for a ninety-day moratorium on its payments. Subsequent requests were made for moratorium extensions. The action was the climax of an increasingly difficult balance of payments situation. Philippine development during the decade of the 1970s had been facilitated by extensive borrowing on the international capital market. Between 1973 and 1982, the country's indebtedness increased an average of 27 percent per year. Although government-to-government loans and loans from multilateral institutions such as the World Bank and Asian Development Bank were granted at lower-than-market rates of interest, the debt-service charges on those and commercial loans continued to mount. In 1982 payments were US$3.5 billion, approximately the level of foreign borrowing that year and greater than the country's total debt in 1970. The next year, 1983, interest payments exceeded the net inflow of capital by about US$1.85 billion. In combination with the downturn in the world economy, increasing interest rates, a domestic financial scandal that occurred when a businessman fled the country with debts estimated at P700 million, escalating unrest at the excesses of the Marcos regime, and the political crisis that followed the Aquino assassination, the debt burden became unsustainable (see table 16, Appendix).


Link: http://www.photius.com/countries/philippines/geography/philippines_geography_external_debt.html

tandaan mo yung timeline, 70s to 80s, nalugmok sa utang bansa natin.

ang Japan, nung 40s to 50s, hirap ekonomiya nila dahil sa pinsala at ginastos nila nung WW2. pero umarangkada na kasabay ng pinas somewhere in the 50s to the 60s. ang Pinas, na uwi sa kangkungan nung naupo si Marcos at sinimulan nya ang Gagong Lipunan.

atsaka, ano ba ma expect mo na matino sa isang Gagong Lipunan? eh pati bulbol ng amerikanang starlet na tinitira ni Marcos na si Dovie Beams, ginupit nya.

gawain ba yan ng nasa tamang pag iisip na presidente?

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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:11 pm 
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don robert wrote:
AnTararatan wrote:
don robert wrote:

ano ba sinabi dun sa link mo? di ba sabi temporary.

T-E-M-P-O-R-A-R-Y.

kailangan pa ata i-spell para makita mo. di mo naman binabasa link mo eh, huwag ka na lang mag post.

at kelan lang nagka pera ang mga Romualdez upang magbigay ng ganyan sa mga tao? saan sila kumuha ng pera, aber?

S-A-A-N.

alam mo ba ang pruweba kung ano ang napapala ng mga tao na naniniwala sa Gagong Lipunan? nung kasagsagan ng bagyong Yolanda last year, ang mga Romualdez nasa resort nila.

ganyan mag isip ang mga tao under sa Gagong Lipunan. tapos maniniwala ka na Romualdez kaya magbigay ng tulong tulad ng bunk houses na nasa picture na yan. saan nga sila kukuha ng pera?

S-A-A-N.

lokohin nyo pa ang lelang nyong panut, huwag kami.



Sa umpisa pa lang sinabi ko na, not a need to compare with any other project.
DR, you looked at the angle of Romualdez instead of the project issue.
indeed, it's temporary... Dahil ba dun okay na marupok at walang kwenta? Yung mga barong barong ng mga mangingisda sa ilang coastal areas, were able to withstand yung bagyo... Etong government well funded bunkhouses, tarapal na lang...

Ang temporary mo, nalagyan pa ulit ng isa pang temporary tarapal. Ak ak ak (pahiram antats)... My @ss

Gungg0ng na lang talaga ang nagpapaniwala. Clearly a "palusuting" by the palace.


ok, le-level ako sa iyo. i disagree with the bunk houses also. kasi ang presidente natin, ayaw gumastos ng malaki for a temporary solution. gusto nya, pagnagpatayo ng mga bahay lilipatan ng mga nasalanta ng bagyo, kelangan matibay. ito rin sinabi ni Lacson, kaya sabi nya, sundin nya, wala syang magawa.

huwag mo na akong pinagloloko sa mga barong barong na bahay ng mangingisda din nasira. syempre, wala namang bagyo dumaan dun eh.

Oh Thought mo!


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Great... Lelevel ak ak ak...
Ano ka, alien to level with a homo sapien?
Baka mukhang alien :lol:

Pinas is an archipelago, walang nadaanan na mga bahay ng mangingisda? O wala ka napansin sa chosen station mo?

temporary bunkhouses , dapat na nadefined na pangtao.. di masyado makatao pinaggagagawa nila eh... Nasalanta na, di pa makampanti. My @ss, too much for the Not gag0ng lipunan.



homo sapien ka? kung me homo man sa iyo, homo-sexual na yun sigurado!

Pinas is an archipelago. iyan lang masabi mo sa kaka google mo? ipakita mo kung aling bahay ng mga mangingisda di napinsala, kasam ang article. para naman magkasustansya claims mo.

oo naman, temporary bunkhouses. alangan naman maglagay ng "permanent bunkhouse" as "temporary bunkhouse". sauce, kayo talagang mga loyalista, walang kasusta sustansya mga claims nyo, maidepensa lang ang Gagong Lipunan.

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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:51 pm 
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don robert wrote:

asuuus, natanong na mula pa. wala ka pala eh, pag na ipit ka, kakambyo kambyo ka ng salita!

tulad nung windfam mo sa Bangui, Ilocos. nung pinuna na walang kinalaman mga Marcos dun, biglang kumambyo ka rin. tapos itong huli sabi mo umahon na Japan at SKorea, Pinas hindi pa.

sauce na maanghang. ikaw ba gumawa ng kanta na kambyo? :lol:

mag google ka, para magkalaman utak mo, tungkol sa Gagong Lipunan nung panahon ni Marcos.

ito sample, basa:

Quote:
On October 17, 1983, it was announced that the Philippines was unable to meet debt-service obligations on its foreign-currency debt of US$24.4 billion and was asking for a ninety-day moratorium on its payments. Subsequent requests were made for moratorium extensions. The action was the climax of an increasingly difficult balance of payments situation. Philippine development during the decade of the 1970s had been facilitated by extensive borrowing on the international capital market. Between 1973 and 1982, the country's indebtedness increased an average of 27 percent per year. Although government-to-government loans and loans from multilateral institutions such as the World Bank and Asian Development Bank were granted at lower-than-market rates of interest, the debt-service charges on those and commercial loans continued to mount. In 1982 payments were US$3.5 billion, approximately the level of foreign borrowing that year and greater than the country's total debt in 1970. The next year, 1983, interest payments exceeded the net inflow of capital by about US$1.85 billion. In combination with the downturn in the world economy, increasing interest rates, a domestic financial scandal that occurred when a businessman fled the country with debts estimated at P700 million, escalating unrest at the excesses of the Marcos regime, and the political crisis that followed the Aquino assassination, the debt burden became unsustainable (see table 16, Appendix).


Link: http://www.photius.com/countries/philippines/geography/philippines_geography_external_debt.html

tandaan mo yung timeline, 70s to 80s, nalugmok sa utang bansa natin.

ang Japan, nung 40s to 50s, hirap ekonomiya nila dahil sa pinsala at ginastos nila nung WW2. pero umarangkada na kasabay ng pinas somewhere in the 50s to the 60s. ang Pinas, na uwi sa kangkungan nung naupo si Marcos at sinimulan nya ang Gagong Lipunan.

atsaka, ano ba ma expect mo na matino sa isang Gagong Lipunan? eh pati bulbol ng amerikanang starlet na tinitira ni Marcos na si Dovie Beams, ginupit nya.

gawain ba yan ng nasa tamang pag iisip na presidente?



Ak ak ak! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Napakasimpleng mga tanong lang, DR... di mo sagutin ng diretso
Andami mong pautot at pasikot-sikot.

Heto na lang... baka gusto mo si Dong Abay pa magtanong sa iyo...
It was asked 10 years after EDSA... we're approaching 30 years already and not even a hint :shock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0EMHJdLrs


On your timeline checks, it took about 10-20 years for Japan to get back on Asia/ World top... from zero.
It's been almost 30 years ng si Marcos ay umalis, anyare?
Same old, same old pa rin... and worst.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:29 pm 
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AnTararatan wrote:
don robert wrote:

asuuus, natanong na mula pa. wala ka pala eh, pag na ipit ka, kakambyo kambyo ka ng salita!

tulad nung windfam mo sa Bangui, Ilocos. nung pinuna na walang kinalaman mga Marcos dun, biglang kumambyo ka rin. tapos itong huli sabi mo umahon na Japan at SKorea, Pinas hindi pa.

sauce na maanghang. ikaw ba gumawa ng kanta na kambyo? :lol:

mag google ka, para magkalaman utak mo, tungkol sa Gagong Lipunan nung panahon ni Marcos.

ito sample, basa:

Quote:
On October 17, 1983, it was announced that the Philippines was unable to meet debt-service obligations on its foreign-currency debt of US$24.4 billion and was asking for a ninety-day moratorium on its payments. Subsequent requests were made for moratorium extensions. The action was the climax of an increasingly difficult balance of payments situation. Philippine development during the decade of the 1970s had been facilitated by extensive borrowing on the international capital market. Between 1973 and 1982, the country's indebtedness increased an average of 27 percent per year. Although government-to-government loans and loans from multilateral institutions such as the World Bank and Asian Development Bank were granted at lower-than-market rates of interest, the debt-service charges on those and commercial loans continued to mount. In 1982 payments were US$3.5 billion, approximately the level of foreign borrowing that year and greater than the country's total debt in 1970. The next year, 1983, interest payments exceeded the net inflow of capital by about US$1.85 billion. In combination with the downturn in the world economy, increasing interest rates, a domestic financial scandal that occurred when a businessman fled the country with debts estimated at P700 million, escalating unrest at the excesses of the Marcos regime, and the political crisis that followed the Aquino assassination, the debt burden became unsustainable (see table 16, Appendix).


Link: http://www.photius.com/countries/philippines/geography/philippines_geography_external_debt.html

tandaan mo yung timeline, 70s to 80s, nalugmok sa utang bansa natin.

ang Japan, nung 40s to 50s, hirap ekonomiya nila dahil sa pinsala at ginastos nila nung WW2. pero umarangkada na kasabay ng pinas somewhere in the 50s to the 60s. ang Pinas, na uwi sa kangkungan nung naupo si Marcos at sinimulan nya ang Gagong Lipunan.

atsaka, ano ba ma expect mo na matino sa isang Gagong Lipunan? eh pati bulbol ng amerikanang starlet na tinitira ni Marcos na si Dovie Beams, ginupit nya.

gawain ba yan ng nasa tamang pag iisip na presidente?



Ak ak ak! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Napakasimpleng mga tanong lang, DR... di mo sagutin ng diretso
Andami mong pautot at pasikot-sikot.

Heto na lang... baka gusto mo si Dong Abay pa magtanong sa iyo...
It was asked 10 years after EDSA... we're approaching 30 years already and not even a hint :shock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0EMHJdLrs


On your timeline checks, it took about 10-20 years for Japan to get back on Asia/ World top... from zero.
It's been almost 30 years ng si Marcos ay umalis, anyare?
Same old, same old pa rin... and worst.


hoy, kasapi ng Gagong Lipunan, magbasa ka muna ng brief history kung bakit ganyan ang ating utang:

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Brief History

But, how come we incurred such a humongous amount, in the first place? The story behind it is too complex to present in a short space such as this, but at the risk of oversimplification, one can say that in 1961, departing from the nationalist policies of predecessor Carlos Garcia, Diosdado Macapagal embraced the virtues of free enterprise, and opened the door to foreign investment, gearing up the economy for global competition. In return, the United States, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank (WB) offered the government huge loans.. It was thought that foreign capital could be a catalyst of development. That embrace, however, was probably our entry into the debt trap. The pressure of the IMF and the WB was already being felt. When he became president in 1965, Ferdinand Marcos continued Macapagal’s economic liberalization policies. The outcome was that the total external debt rose from $277.7 million at the beginning of Macapagal’s presidency in 1961 to $840.2 million at the end of Marcos’ first term in 1969.

When Marcos imposed martial law, the trend toward economic liberalization accelerated in the absence of opposition from nationalists, like Tañada, Recto, Garcia, and Diokno, and he borrowed from outside to finance deficit. This resulted in the increase of external debt from a little over $1 billion in 1972 to $28 billion in 1986, when he was forcibly removed from power. But it would be wrong to blame Marcos for all our staggering debt. His successors, from Cory Aquino to Gloria Arroyo, were not able to rescue the country from the debt trap. When Aquino ended her term, the foreign debt stood at $30 billion. Fidel Ramos increased it by $15 billion in six years, Joseph Estrada by $7 billion in 1 ½ years. Almost twenty years after the end of the Marcos regime, the foreign debt has nearly tripled—from $28 billion to $69 billion. According to Sen. Joker Arroyo, “the borrowings of the three-year old [Gloria-Macapagal] Arroyo administration are bigger than the combined borrowings of the [Fidel] Ramos and Erap [Joseph Estrada] administration for eight years.”
Link: http://msgrlope.blogspot.tw/2012/11/philippine-foreign-debt-toward.html


sa laki ng inutang ni Marcos sa panahon nya, saan napunta yun? kung napunta yun sa mga proyekto na inaanunsyu ni Marcos tulad ng Phil. Heart Center, Marcos bridge, etc, eh saan napunta yung mga taxes na pambayad dapat sa inutang?


at kelan natin mababayaran yung inutang ni Marcos?

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Taxpayers To Pay Marcos Debt Until 2025

When Marcos assumed presidency in 1966, the foreign debt of the Philippines stood below $1 billion. When he fled Malacañang in February 1986 during the first People Power, the country had a foreign debt of $28 billion. Following our loan schedule, Filipino taxpayers will pay for the foreign debts of Marcos until 2025 - 59 years after he assumed office and 39 years after he was kicked out.

Link: http://bulatlat.com/news/4-33/4-33-marcosdebt.html


to have an idea how disastrous the loans Marcos is to our economy, ito ang binabayaran natin, DAILY, na interest sa inutang natin sa Bataan power plant (as of 1990):

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the Philippines continued to pay interest payments on the nuclear plant loans of US$300,000 per day while the case was under litigation

Link: http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-10471.html


isang proyekto pa lang yan na inutang ni Marcos.

i hope yung mga nag nga-ngak ngak dito na mga pro-Marcos, malaman nyo kung gaano kalaki na peste si Apo nyo.

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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
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DR, though I get where you're coming from... This is not about pro or anti who. you need to get over your youth experience :lol: and see things objectively.

Tulad nga ng sagot sa nakaraang posts ko (kasi pa ulit ulit ka), papaano mo marerealize ang return of investment mo kung ang mga projects kung saan mo ginastos ang mga utang mo ay natigil na or nafreeze... For many reasons but mainly dahil maaalala si Marcos kung ipagpapatuloy ang projects nya. Op cors di lang naman mga yun ang dahilan ng paglobo ng gastusin... Meron din dyan ang dahilan na nasobra sa budget ng security dahil sa lumakas na panggugulo ng mga pasaway na komunista... Parang budget lang yan ng bahay... Kung Ung I sang kabahay mo ay pasaway, mas mapapalaki ang gastos.

But that's it. Kung wala ka sagot sa mga simpleng tanong sa nakaraan kundi maging boy sisi... Oks pa rin. Was just asking :biglaugh:


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sana nga tumakbo itong si bbm ng may makatapat naman si binay na pwedeng tumalo sa kanya. :lol: :lol:

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Comparing debt during and post makoy era.

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