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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:46 pm 
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dapat nga siguro revisit ang national heroes as written in our textbooks and taught to our children..


one criterion that I believe should be firmly upheld is that recognition should be universal and unanimous among all sectors of our society..

it's about time that Filipinos decide for themselves who should be called their own hero..I have nothing against Rizal, but I think he was chosen by the Americans for us to recognize as a "hero"


si Ninoy, he's a hero to those who believe Marcos was a villain in our national history...but in the same vein, those who believe Marcos did more good than harm also think Ninoy is a false hero...

I don't understand how someone like Ninoy who actually inspires division and furious debate among Pinoys could even be treated as a hero....


just my two cents


I agree that recognition should be universal, but how can it be such if you exclude the Americans when we were under their tutelage (kuno) during the time Of Rizal? If only the Philippine society recognize a Pinoy hero, then it is not universal.

Re Ninoy's inspiring division and furious debate, I think you have it the other way around. It is the Marcoses comeback to politics and Marcos burial at the Libingan (aided by Duterte's presidency) that has sparked division and furious debates among Pinoys.

Almost always, heroes are born in the manner of their death (dying for a cause). Dizal and Bonifacio
died fighting the Spaniards.

Let's revisit the death and burial of Ninoy and Makoy and decide who is a better candidate tp be a hero. :D

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A MILLION FILIPINOS LINE THE AQUINO FUNERAL ROUTE
By Colin Campbell, The New York Times, Sept. 1, 1983

Benigno S. Aquino Jr., the slain opposition leader, was buried tonight after a 10-and- a-half-hour funeral procession that passed through crowds that the police said totaled a million people.

Despite the press of the mourners, there was no violence as the cortege made its way along a 19-mile route to a cemetery on the southern outskirts of Manila. But in the capital itself, several hundred youths, hurling rocks and crude bombs, rushed to within 500 yards of the presidential palace shortly after nightfall. They were repulsed by the police and Government troops, who turned water cannons on them, charged with riot sticks and fired what appeared to be warning shots.

(A 23-year-old student was fatally shot and 18 people were wounded in the street fighting, police spokesmen reported, according to The Associated Press. At least eight of the wounded were said to be between 14 and 20 years old.)

Lightning Said to Kill Mourner

Earlier, radio stations reported that one person was killed and several others were injured when lighting struck a park that was one of the main gathering places for Mr. Aquino's mourners. There were sporadic thundershowers during the funeral procession.

Mr. Aquino, who was killed by a gunman at the Manila airport on Aug. 21 a few minutes after arriving from a three-year stay in the United States, was eulogized by Jaime Cardinal Sin at a mass this morning as a leader who ''personified Filipino courage in the face of oppression.'' The mass took place at the Church of Santo Domingo in suburban Quezon City.

The opposition leader's funeral, said to be the largest ever held in the Philippines, involved criticism of the authoritarian Government of President Ferdinand E. Marcos as well as honoring the memory of Mr. Aquino.

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The burial of Ferdinand Marcos, the 10th President of the Philippines (1965–1986) was originally scheduled on September 13, 2016 and later on October 18, 2016 at the Heroes' Cemetery in Taguig, Metro Manila, Philippines. On November 8 of the same year, the Supreme Court eventually decided that Marcos be buried at Heroes' Cemetery on an unspecified date. The burial of Marcos took place on November 18, 2016.

The burial of Ferdinand Marcos, who died in 1989, has been a controversial issue. Critics, particularly victims of human rights violations during the martial law era, and participants of the People Power Revolution, have opposed attempts to bury Marcos, who they deem unfit to be buried at the Heroes' Cemetery for his 20-year authoritarian rule, and allege that the Marcos family is yet to return money illegally removed from the country's treasury.[7] Opinion on his burial remains split: 50% of the 1,800 respondents of a survey conducted by SWS in February 2016 said Marcos "was worthy to be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani" while the other half rejected a hero's burial.

There were conflicting claims on where the deceased Marcos wished to be buried. Former Interior Secretary Rafael Alunan III, one of the signatories of an agreement to move Marcos' body from Hawaii to the Philippines during the term of then President Fidel V. Ramos, said that Marcos wished to be buried beside his mother in his hometown in Batac, Ilocos Norte, while his wife Imelda Marcos said that his wish was to be buried in Manila insisting that he should be buried at the Heroes' Cemetery.

Former Presidents Corazon Aquino and Fidel V. Ramos had opposed moves to bury Marcos at the Heroes' Cemetery during their respective terms, while Former President Joseph Estrada attempted to bury Marcos at the Heroes' Cemetery but later cancelled the burial. Rodrigo Duterte, during the campaign period and debates and as well having won the presidential elections, repeatedly asserted his plans for the burial of the remains claiming the act is in accordance with the existing laws of the Philippines, as well as an insisting the burial will be an instrument for the beginning of "nation-wide healing" but the plan was met with criticism due to claims of historical revisionism or negationism. The burial of Marcos, with military honors, was conducted in a private ceremony on November 18, 2016. It resulted in widespread expressions of indignation and nationwide protests.

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 Post subject: Re: BBM for president
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I agree that recognition should be universal, but how can it be such if you exclude the Americans when we were under their tutelage (kuno) during the time Of Rizal? If only the Philippine society recognize a Pinoy hero, then it is not universal.

When you refer to "universal recognition" are you referring to the past (hence a simple description of what happened) or as in moving forward with selecting a new national hero ?

If this is for the future, as a reinvention/reselection of our national hero I believe you seriously need to rethink your criteria for recognizing a national hero.

The term itself is self-explanatory: national hero. It is not extranational hero.

So the universal recognition of a national hero should absolutely not include any other nationalities aside from Filipinos.

Moving forward, it should be Filipinos who must decide whether a historical figure is worthy to be recognized a national hero. If you require that another sovereign entity recognize whoever we decide as a national hero (that is, aside from the usual diplomatic and similar govt to govt recognition), then we are unfairly asking both ourselves and the other sovereign entity to compromise each other's convictions.

Even more so because our history includes the Americans occupying us (under duplicitous circumstances at that) and selecting for us who we "should" consider as a national hero, with the implication being that their choice ultimately served their own foreign policy agendas.



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Re Ninoy's inspiring division and furious debate, I think you have it the other way around. It is the Marcoses comeback to politics and Marcos burial at the Libingan (aided by Duterte's presidency) that has sparked division and furious debates among Pinoys.
That is according to your perspective, an admitted Marcos hater and ardent Ninoy/Cory follower.

If you rise beyond petty personality-oriented allegiances, you will see there is more than one side to it.

reigncourts wrote:
Almost always, heroes are born in the manner of their death (dying for a cause). Dizal and Bonifacio
died fighting the Spaniards.

Let's revisit the death and burial of Ninoy and Makoy and decide who is a better candidate tp be a hero. :D

So, the false dichotomy rears its ugly head again.

To you it's either Marcos is a hero, or Ninoy is...and the "or" is an "exclusive or", an XOR.

Are these two cases--that of Marcos being or not being a hero and Ninoy being or not being a hero--the only possibilities to you ?

Can you see where this is going ? This is not even a contest between two dead guys.

You cannot make the case for Ninoy being a hero by simply attacking Marcos. This is not a dichotomy where if you put someone down, you automatically elevate someone else up.


Those who hate Ninoy and his family most likely are not confined to simply the Ilocos region alone. If there is a significant part of our society who have an issue with Ninoy being recognized as a national hero, where is the universality of recognition there ?

I have heard too many comments from real people on the streets complaining about the faces of the Aquino spouses emblazoned on the government-issued P500 bill not to realize there is a seething issue among Filipinos regarding Ninoy and Cory's worthiness to be accorded such national honor.

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CCP hosts dinner in honor of Imelda Marcos
Published January 16, 2020 1:52pm

GMA News wrote:
The Cultural Center of the Philippines (CCP) organized a dinner in honor of its founding chairman and former First Lady Imelda Marcos on Wednesday.
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On Instagram, Filipino singer Dulce posted a copy of the invitation, followed by a photo of Imelda speaking at the event.

50 Years of the Cultural Center of the Philippines #IRM #CCP

A post shared by Asia’s Timeless Diva DULCE (@asiasdiva) on
Jan 15, 2020 at 4:36am PST

The dinner, which was in celebration of CCP's 50th anniversary, was hosted by CCP chairman Margarita Moran-Floirendo and the trustees of the CCP.

It was held at the CCP Main Theater Lobby.

On Dulce's Instagram Stories, friends and relatives of Imelda, including her daughter Senator Imee Marcos was also present in the event.

Imelda is the wife of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

In November 2018, the Sandiganbayan 5th Division found Imelda guilty of seven counts of graft in connection with her alleged financial interests in Swiss-based foundations during her time as Minister of Human Settlements and interim member of Congress.

She, however, posted a bail of P300,000 while she seeks remedies to overturn her graft conviction. — Ma. Angelica Garcia/LA, GMA News

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The.Equalizer wrote:

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.....Imelda is the wife of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

In November 2018, the Sandiganbayan 5th Division found Imelda guilty of seven counts of graft in connection with her alleged financial interests in Swiss-based foundations during her time as Minister of Human Settlements and interim member of Congress.

She, however, posted a bail of P300,000 while she seeks remedies to overturn her graft conviction
. — Ma. Angelica Garcia/LA, GMA News


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reigncourts wrote:
I agree that recognition should be universal, but how can it be such if you exclude the Americans when we were under their tutelage (kuno) during the time Of Rizal? If only the Philippine society recognize a Pinoy hero, then it is not universal.

When you refer to "universal recognition" are you referring to the past (hence a simple description of what happened) or as in moving forward with selecting a new national hero ?

If this is for the future, as a reinvention/reselection of our national hero I believe you seriously need to rethink your criteria for recognizing a national hero.

The term itself is self-explanatory: national hero. It is not extranational hero.

So the universal recognition of a national hero should absolutely not include any other nationalities aside from Filipinos.

Moving forward, it should be Filipinos who must decide whether a historical figure is worthy to be recognized a national hero. If you require that another sovereign entity recognize whoever we decide as a national hero (that is, aside from the usual diplomatic and similar govt to govt recognition), then we are unfairly asking both ourselves and the other sovereign entity to compromise each other's convictions.

Even more so because our history includes the Americans occupying us (under duplicitous circumstances at that) and selecting for us who we "should" consider as a national hero, with the implication being that their choice ultimately served their own foreign policy agendas.



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Re Ninoy's inspiring division and furious debate, I think you have it the other way around. It is the Marcoses comeback to politics and Marcos burial at the Libingan (aided by Duterte's presidency) that has sparked division and furious debates among Pinoys.
That is according to your perspective, an admitted Marcos hater and ardent Ninoy/Cory follower.

If you rise beyond petty personality-oriented allegiances, you will see there is more than one side to it.

reigncourts wrote:
Almost always, heroes are born in the manner of their death (dying for a cause). Dizal and Bonifacio
died fighting the Spaniards.

Let's revisit the death and burial of Ninoy and Makoy and decide who is a better candidate tp be a hero. :D

So, the false dichotomy rears its ugly head again.

To you it's either Marcos is a hero, or Ninoy is...and the "or" is an "exclusive or", an XOR.

Are these two cases--that of Marcos being or not being a hero and Ninoy being or not being a hero--the only possibilities to you ?

Can you see where this is going ? This is not even a contest between two dead guys.

You cannot make the case for Ninoy being a hero by simply attacking Marcos. This is not a dichotomy where if you put someone down, you automatically elevate someone else up.


Those who hate Ninoy and his family most likely are not confined to simply the Ilocos region alone. If there is a significant part of our society who have an issue with Ninoy being recognized as a national hero, where is the universality of recognition there ?

I have heard too many comments from real people on the streets complaining about the faces of the Aquino spouses emblazoned on the government-issued P500 bill not to realize there is a seething issue among Filipinos regarding Ninoy and Cory's worthiness to be accorded such national honor.

Solid brad! :biglaugh:

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The.Equalizer wrote:
:lol:


CCP hosts dinner in honor of Imelda Marcos
Published January 16, 2020 1:52pm

GMA News wrote:
The Cultural Center of the Philippines (CCP) organized a dinner in honor of its founding chairman and former First Lady Imelda Marcos on Wednesday.
advertisement

On Instagram, Filipino singer Dulce posted a copy of the invitation, followed by a photo of Imelda speaking at the event.

50 Years of the Cultural Center of the Philippines #IRM #CCP

A post shared by Asia’s Timeless Diva DULCE (@asiasdiva) on
Jan 15, 2020 at 4:36am PST

The dinner, which was in celebration of CCP's 50th anniversary, was hosted by CCP chairman Margarita Moran-Floirendo and the trustees of the CCP.

It was held at the CCP Main Theater Lobby.

On Dulce's Instagram Stories, friends and relatives of Imelda, including her daughter Senator Imee Marcos was also present in the event.

Imelda is the wife of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

In November 2018, the Sandiganbayan 5th Division found Imelda guilty of seven counts of graft in connection with her alleged financial interests in Swiss-based foundations during her time as Minister of Human Settlements and interim member of Congress.

She, however, posted a bail of P300,000 while she seeks remedies to overturn her graft conviction. — Ma. Angelica Garcia/LA, GMA News

Ang liit naman ng bail, 300k lang. :biglaugh:

Tsaka yung balita eh CCP anniversary pero isiningit pa yung kaso. :roll: :biglaugh:

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IceColdBeer wrote:
The.Equalizer wrote:
reigncourts wrote:
I agree that recognition should be universal, but how can it be such if you exclude the Americans when we were under their tutelage (kuno) during the time Of Rizal? If only the Philippine society recognize a Pinoy hero, then it is not universal.

When you refer to "universal recognition" are you referring to the past (hence a simple description of what happened) or as in moving forward with selecting a new national hero ?

If this is for the future, as a reinvention/reselection of our national hero I believe you seriously need to rethink your criteria for recognizing a national hero.

The term itself is self-explanatory: national hero. It is not extranational hero.

So the universal recognition of a national hero should absolutely not include any other nationalities aside from Filipinos.

Moving forward, it should be Filipinos who must decide whether a historical figure is worthy to be recognized a national hero. If you require that another sovereign entity recognize whoever we decide as a national hero (that is, aside from the usual diplomatic and similar govt to govt recognition), then we are unfairly asking both ourselves and the other sovereign entity to compromise each other's convictions.

Even more so because our history includes the Americans occupying us (under duplicitous circumstances at that) and selecting for us who we "should" consider as a national hero, with the implication being that their choice ultimately served their own foreign policy agendas.



reigncourts wrote:
Re Ninoy's inspiring division and furious debate, I think you have it the other way around. It is the Marcoses comeback to politics and Marcos burial at the Libingan (aided by Duterte's presidency) that has sparked division and furious debates among Pinoys.
That is according to your perspective, an admitted Marcos hater and ardent Ninoy/Cory follower.

If you rise beyond petty personality-oriented allegiances, you will see there is more than one side to it.

reigncourts wrote:
Almost always, heroes are born in the manner of their death (dying for a cause). Dizal and Bonifacio
died fighting the Spaniards.

Let's revisit the death and burial of Ninoy and Makoy and decide who is a better candidate tp be a hero. :D

So, the false dichotomy rears its ugly head again.

To you it's either Marcos is a hero, or Ninoy is...and the "or" is an "exclusive or", an XOR.

Are these two cases--that of Marcos being or not being a hero and Ninoy being or not being a hero--the only possibilities to you ?

Can you see where this is going ? This is not even a contest between two dead guys.

You cannot make the case for Ninoy being a hero by simply attacking Marcos. This is not a dichotomy where if you put someone down, you automatically elevate someone else up.


Those who hate Ninoy and his family most likely are not confined to simply the Ilocos region alone. If there is a significant part of our society who have an issue with Ninoy being recognized as a national hero, where is the universality of recognition there ?

I have heard too many comments from real people on the streets complaining about the faces of the Aquino spouses emblazoned on the government-issued P500 bill not to realize there is a seething issue among Filipinos regarding Ninoy and Cory's worthiness to be accorded such national honor.

Solid brad! :biglaugh:



medyo madaling sagutin brad kasi perfect example ng graduate ng Delawan discipleship :lol:

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The.Equalizer wrote:
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CCP hosts dinner in honor of Imelda Marcos
Published January 16, 2020 1:52pm

GMA News wrote:
The Cultural Center of the Philippines (CCP) organized a dinner in honor of its founding chairman and former First Lady Imelda Marcos on Wednesday.
advertisement

On Instagram, Filipino singer Dulce posted a copy of the invitation, followed by a photo of Imelda speaking at the event.

50 Years of the Cultural Center of the Philippines #IRM #CCP

A post shared by Asia’s Timeless Diva DULCE (@asiasdiva) on
Jan 15, 2020 at 4:36am PST

The dinner, which was in celebration of CCP's 50th anniversary, was hosted by CCP chairman Margarita Moran-Floirendo and the trustees of the CCP.

It was held at the CCP Main Theater Lobby.

On Dulce's Instagram Stories, friends and relatives of Imelda, including her daughter Senator Imee Marcos was also present in the event.

Imelda is the wife of the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

In November 2018, the Sandiganbayan 5th Division found Imelda guilty of seven counts of graft in connection with her alleged financial interests in Swiss-based foundations during her time as Minister of Human Settlements and interim member of Congress.

She, however, posted a bail of P300,000 while she seeks remedies to overturn her graft conviction. — Ma. Angelica Garcia/LA, GMA News

Ang liit naman ng bail, 300k lang. :biglaugh:

Tsaka yung balita eh CCP anniversary pero isiningit pa yung kaso. :roll: :biglaugh:


to be honest yan yung Delawan/EDSA coalition still at work :lol:

biruin mo, out of the blue may sipa sa dulo ang "writer" ng news item...

for a perfect contrast, bakit nung kasagsagan ng issue kay de Laylay at kung anuanong human rights issues ang hinihila niya at ng mga kaalyado na pati Gabriela IIRC nakisawsaw in favor of the embattled senator, e walang ganyan na "summary" ng relevant info kay Laylay--this after she herself admitted on national TV to the crime of concubinage, with overzealous resident Yellow apologist Winnie Monsod falling all over herself trying to make light of a very serious legal and moral transgression ?

di ba dapat lang na ang epithet ni Laylay ay "self-confessed concubine"....Delawans cry so much that Filipinos have already forgotten the horrors of martial law, and even blame Marcos' children for them, after almost 34 years....e iyang ke Laylay kelan lang ba yan umamin sa TV, ni hindi nga nababanggit ng mainstream media nagka-collective amnesia na ang mga buang :banghead:





at saka all in all pabor pa din ang news kay Imelda, kasi may nagmarakulyo na naman wahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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