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PH offers Sabah to win Malaysia’s support for UN case vs China
By Tessa Jamandre,VERA Files

The Philippines has offered to downgrade its claim on Sabah in exchange for Malaysia’s support for its case against China before the United Nations.

The quid pro quo was contained in a note verbale the Department of Foreign Affairs handed to a representative of the Malaysian Embassy last week, a week after the visit of Malaysian Defense Minister Dato Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein.

The note verbale, a copy of which was obtained by VERA Files, referred to the May 6, 2009 joint submission by Malaysia and Vietnam to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) in which Malaysia claimed an extended continental shelf (350 nautical miles from baseline) that was clearly projected from Sabah.

DFA comment March 30:

The Philippines has excellent relations with Malaysia. In the context of our friendly bilateral relations, our two countries have been for years exchanging ways on how to address the issue of the extended continental shelf (ECS) in the South China Sea.
The Note Verbale that was written about was part of this process. The Note is about the features in the South China Sea and their implications on ECS claims. Sabah is not in any way part of the Note.”

The Philippines, in an Aug. 4, 2009 note to the U.N. Secretary General, protested the joint submission because it effectively declared Sabah to be a Malaysian territory.

The Philippines claims ownership of Sabah, which is at present occupied by Malaysia, based on the title of the Sultan of Sulu who ceded proprietary rights over the 76,115-square-kilometer land to the Philippines in 1962.


In last week’s note verbale, however, the DFA informed the Malaysian government that it is “reviewing” its 2009 protest and its action would depend on Malaysia’s response to Manila’s two requests related to the South China Sea conflicting territorial claims.

The first request is for Malaysia to “confirm” that its claim of an extended continental shelf is “entirely from the mainland coast of Malaysia, and not from any of the maritime features in the Spratly islands.”

The DFA also requested Malaysia to confirm that it “does not claim entitlement to maritime areas beyond 12 nautical miles from any of the maritime features in the Spratly islands it claims.”


Under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), a state is entitled to 12-nautical-mile territorial sea over which it exercises sovereignty.

Malaysia, like the Philippines, claims parts of the Spratly islands in the South China Sea which is being claimed almost wholly by China, Vietnam and Taiwan. Brunei is another claimant to some parts of the Spratlys.

There are some parts in the Spratlys where the 200 NM Exclusive Economic Zones of the Philippines and Malaysia overlap.

The DFA didn’t issue any statement when VERA Files sought its comment on the note verbale and its implications.

Former Philippine Permanent Representative to the United Nations Lauro Baja Jr. said the Philippine claim to Sabah will be “prejudiced” if Malaysia accedes to DFA’s request.

“We are in effect withdrawing our objection to Malaysia’s claim of ownership to Sabah,” he said.

A DFA official who requested anonymity, said, however, the Philippine claim to Sabah would remain intact even if Manila withdraws its 2009 objection to Malaysia’s submission to the U.N.

Baja countered, “Even if we are not formally dropping the Sabah claim, it (the withdrawal of the protest) can be used as evidence against our claim.”

A DFA source said officials involved in the case against China before the U.N. Arbitral Court said if Malaysia confirms it doesn’t claim beyond 12 nautical miles from any maritime features in the Spratlys Islands it claims, the Philippine case will be strengthened because one of Manila’s demands for relief from the U.N. court is to declare that certain features, such as rocks, do not generate maritime entitlement beyond 12 nautical miles.

This would clarify that the 12 nautical miles surrounding among others, the Panatag Shoal, also known as Scarborough Shoal or Bajo de Masinloc (Chinese name: Huangyan Island), are part of the Philippines 200-nautical-mile Economic Exclusive Zone.

The Philippines suit, which primarily sought to nullify China’s all-encompassing nine-dash line map invalid, also wants the U.N. court to rule that submerged features within and beyond 200 nautical miles of the Philippines are not part of China’s continental shelf. This would make China’s occupation of these features a violation of UNCLOS.

A diplomatic source said Malaysia may find the Philippine request “too hard to handle” because it has adopted the policy of “playing it safe”—expressing concern on China aggressiveness in the disputed waters while maintaining good relations with the economic superpower.

“A maritime entitlement of only 12 nautical miles for their reefs, as the essence of the Philippines request, will not be in the interest of Malaysia. Besides, Malaysia will not risk its close economic ties with China, its biggest trading partner,” the source said.

The source said China also protested the 2009 Malaysia-Vietnam submission to the U.N. So even if the Philippines withdrew its objection, the Chinese protest would stand, the source said.

The CLCS would not proceed on the Philippines’ withdrawal of its protest unless and until the Chinese 9-dash line claim is rendered invalid.

Also last week, the Philippines submitted a supplemental argument in answer to China’s position paper on the Spratlys territorial claim. The U.N. is expected to hand down its decision in 2016.

Meanwhile, the Philippines has denounced the massive reclamation of China on its occupied reefs.

Baja said the Philippine position on Sabah is much stronger than its Spratly islands claim.

Economically, the timber and mineral-rich Sabah is much more valuable than Spratlys, he added.

There are more than 600,000 Filipinos in Sabah, most of them considered by Malaysia as illegal residents and are often subject to harassment.

Sabah (North Borneo) originally belonged to the Sultan of Brunei, who gave it to Sultan of Sulu Salah ud-Din Karamat Bakhtiar in 1658 as a reward for helping quell a rebellion. In 1878, Sulu Sultan Jamalul Alam Kiram leased North Borneo to the Hong Kong-based British North Borneo Co. of Baron Gustavos von Overbeck and Alfred Dent for 5,000 Malaysian dollars a year.

In 1946, Overbeck and Dent, without permission from the Sultan, transferred the territory to the British government when the company ceased operations.
On Sept. 11, 1962, Sultan of Sulu Mohammad Esmail Kiram ceded to the Philippine government full sovereignty, title and dominion over the territory.

President Diosdado Macapagal filed the Philippines’ claim over Sabah with the United Nations.

In 1963, the British government, again without permission from the Sultan of Sulu, transferred Sabah to the newly formed Federation of Malaysia.

Malaysia is currently the broker in the peace talks between the Philippine government and the Muslim rebel group, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) for the creation of a Bangsamoro, an autonomous political entity in the southern part of the Philippines.—with additional reports by Ellen Tordesillas

Link: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-inbox/ph-offers-sabah-to-win-malaysias-support-for-un-165139505.html

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:09 am 
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Mali yang ginagawa nila.

Ang katungkulan nila e ipagtanggol ang territory ng Pilipinas, laban sa kaaway at iba pang threat, hindi ipamigay.

Parehas nating dapat ipaglaban yung karapatan natin dun (spratly and Sabah), wala silang karapatan ipamigay ang kahit ano sa teritoryo natin.

Pagtataksil yan sa bayan at sa interes ng mga Pilipino.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:57 am 
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Juramentado wrote:
Mali yang ginagawa nila.

Ang katungkulan nila e ipagtanggol ang territory ng Pilipinas, laban sa kaaway at iba pang threat, hindi ipamigay.

Parehas nating dapat ipaglaban yung karapatan natin dun (spratly and Sabah), wala silang karapatan ipamigay ang kahit ano sa teritoryo natin.

Pagtataksil yan sa bayan at sa interes ng mga Pilipino.

Isa pa, me garantiya ba na kapag pumanig ang malaysia sa usapin na ito ng pilipinas vs china eh automatic papanig na rin ang hatol ng UN sa pinas? Pano kung hindi, di double blackeye? :shock:

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Di na yan kataka-taka ngayong administrasyon kasi noon pa man ay plano na talagang ipamigay ang Sabah sa Malaysia ng pamilyang Aquino. Traydor talaga! 8)


DFA: NINOY AQUINO BETRAYED the Philippines- SOLD SABAH to Malaysia for POWER Ambition

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Former senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr. had promised Malaysia in 1983 that the Philippines would drop its claim over Sabah in exchange for its support in the move to oust strongman Ferdinand Marcos, a former foreign affairs official revealed yesterday.

Hermes Dorado, former national territory division head of the Department of Foreign Affairs, said Aquino met with then Malaysian Prime Minister Mohammad Mahathir before he went back to the Philippines and was assassinated on Aug. 21, 1983.

Dorado said there were no official records of the supposed meeting between Aquino and Mahathir, but said he "became privy to this bit of intelligence" from former ambassador and retired general Rafael Ileto.

"General Ileto indirectly confirmed that Ninoy Aquino asked for help from Mahathir in exchange for dropping the Sabah claim when he gains power," Dorado told a forum at the University of the Philippines in Quezon City.

Dorado said Ileto was the person assigned to monitor Aquino's movement on his journey back to Manila.

"There was a commitment to help oust Marcos," he added. "That is the reason why the government today is somehow reluctant to support the Sabah claim."

"Our hands are tied today because the leadership up to this day is committed to drop the Philippine claim of Sabah," he said.

According to Dorado, the clearest proof of Ninoy's supposed pledge to Malaysia will be found in the 1987 Constitution, which was written during the presidency of his widow Corazon Aquino.

Dorado said the 1987 Constitution amended the first article of the 1973 Constitution and removed the phrase, "and all other territories belonging to the Philippines by historic right or legal title."

The 1987 Constitution revised the definition of Philippine territory and "deleted Sabah as a historic claim backed up by the legal title pertaining to the sultanate of Sulu," he added.

Dorado said Mrs. Aquino had no choice but to honor Ninoy's commitment to Mahathir because she needed support from ASEAN nations to legitimize her ascendancy to the presidency through the people power revolution.

"Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir adamantly refused to attend the ASEAN Summit in Manila until President Cory made a firm commitment to amend Article 1 of the 1973 Constitution," Dorado pointed out.

"Malaysian hard-ball diplomatic and guerrilla war maneuverings, backed by shrewd use of economic leverage, sourced from huge revenues from oil extracted in Sabah, were completed by 1987," he added.

"They succeeded in forcing the Constitutional Commission to drop the Philippine Sabah claim, hands down."

Dorado said the amended Baselines Law approved in March 2009 resulted in the exclusion of Sabah from the Philippine territory.

He said the amended law removed Section 2 of the 1968 law that included the phrase, "…the territory of Sabah, situated in North Borneo, over which the Republic of the Philippines has acquired dominion and sovereignty."

"Removal of the specific reference to Sabah represented a disastrous outcome to the claims of the sultanate of Sulu," Dorado said.

He claimed the results of the supposed "Ninoy-Mahathir pact" have destroyed all peaceful possibilities of pursuing the country's claims.

Proprietary rights

Reacting to Dorado's presentation, Princess Jacel Kiram – daughter of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III – maintained that Filipinos have proprietary rights in Sabah.

"We have so much wealth in Sabah na dapat tayo ang nakikinabang (we should be the ones benefitting)," Jacel said.

She said the lease agreement over North Borneo expired in 1978.

She accused the Aquino administration of protecting the interests of the Malaysian prime minister rather than the interest of the Filipino people.

"I would prefer to be another (nationality) rather than a Filipino citizen under our current set of leaders," she said.

During the forum, Jacel confirmed the meeting between her uncle Sultan Bantilan Esmail Kiram II and Interior Secretary Manuel Roxas II.

"This is the first official talk from our side and from the side of the government," she said, declining to provide additional information as she was not privy to what was discussed in the meeting.

Jacel said the development was a "good gesture" on the part of the government, and that its intention was for the benefit of the Filipino people.

Citing latest information from Sabah, Jacel said Agbimuddin Kiram and his people are safe but a lot of Filipinos have become victims of excessive force by Malaysian security forces. – With Paolo Romero, Jaime Laude, Marvin Sy.

http://koreanewsonline.blogspot.com/2013/03/dfa-ninoy-aquino-betrayed-philippines.html#.VRoGQXKukcp

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Interesting....

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Haiyan! wrote:
Di na yan kataka-taka ngayong administrasyon kasi noon pa man ay plano na talagang ipamigay ang Sabah sa Malaysia ng pamilyang Aquino. Traydor talaga! 8)


DFA: NINOY AQUINO BETRAYED the Philippines- SOLD SABAH to Malaysia for POWER Ambition

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Former senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr.

Former senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr. had promised Malaysia in 1983 that the Philippines would drop its claim over Sabah in exchange for its support in the move to oust strongman Ferdinand Marcos, a former foreign affairs official revealed yesterday.

Hermes Dorado, former national territory division head of the Department of Foreign Affairs
, said Aquino met with then Malaysian Prime Minister Mohammad Mahathir before he went back to the Philippines and was assassinated on Aug. 21, 1983.

Dorado said there were no official records of the supposed meeting between Aquino and Mahathir, but said he "became privy to this bit of intelligence" from former ambassador and retired general Rafael Ileto.


http://koreanewsonline.blogspot.com/2013/03/dfa-ninoy-aquino-betrayed-philippines.html#.VRoGQXKukcp



1. hindi DFA, kundi former official ng DFA.
2. wala pang official record.

so, inaccurate na, tsismis pa...

at sino ba itong si Hermes Dorado?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:13 pm 
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Kakabasa ko nga lang nung lumang thread ni bro fil79 :?

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‘Ninoy vowed to drop Sabah claim to get KL support vs Marcos’
By Janvic Mateo (The Philippine Star) | Updated March 13, 2013 - 12:00am

MANILA, Philippines - Former senator Benigno “Ninoy” Aquino Jr. had promised Malaysia in 1983 that the Philippines would drop its claim over Sabah in exchange for its support in the move to oust strongman Ferdinand Marcos, a former foreign affairs official revealed yesterday.

Hermes Dorado, former national territory division head of the Department of Foreign Affairs, said Aquino met with then Malaysian Prime Minister Mohammad Mahathir before he went back to the Philippines and was assassinated on Aug. 21, 1983.

Dorado said there were no official records of the supposed meeting between Aquino and Mahathir, but said he “became privy to this bit of intelligence” from former ambassador and retired general Rafael Ileto.

“General Ileto indirectly confirmed that Ninoy Aquino asked for help from Mahathir in exchange for dropping the Sabah claim when he gains power,” Dorado told a forum at the University of the Philippines in Quezon City.

Dorado said Ileto was the person assigned to monitor Aquino’s movement on his journey back to Manila.

“There was a commitment to help oust Marcos,” he added. “That is the reason why the government today is somehow reluctant to support the Sabah claim.”

“Our hands are tied today because the leadership up to this day is committed to drop the Philippine claim of Sabah,” he said.

According to Dorado, the clearest proof of Ninoy’s supposed pledge to Malaysia will be found in the 1987 Constitution, which was written during the presidency of his widow Corazon Aquino.

Dorado said the 1987 Constitution amended the first article of the 1973 Constitution and removed the phrase, “and all other territories belonging to the Philippines by historic right or legal title.”

The 1987 Constitution revised the definition of Philippine territory and “deleted Sabah as a historic claim backed up by the legal title pertaining to the sultanate of Sulu,” he added.

Dorado said Mrs. Aquino had no choice but to honor Ninoy’s commitment to Mahathir because she needed support from ASEAN nations to legitimize her ascendancy to the presidency through the people power revolution.

“Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir adamantly refused to attend the ASEAN Summit in Manila until President Cory made a firm commitment to amend Article 1 of the 1973 Constitution,” Dorado pointed out.

“Malaysian hard-ball diplomatic and guerrilla war maneuverings, backed by shrewd use of economic leverage, sourced from huge revenues from oil extracted in Sabah, were completed by 1987,” he added.
“They succeeded in forcing the Constitutional Commission to drop the Philippine Sabah claim, hands down.”

Dorado said the amended Baselines Law approved in March 2009 resulted in the exclusion of Sabah from the Philippine territory.

He said the amended law removed Section 2 of the 1968 law that included the phrase, “…the territory of Sabah, situated in North Borneo, over which the Republic of the Philippines has acquired dominion and sovereignty.”

“Removal of the specific reference to Sabah represented a disastrous outcome to the claims of the sultanate of Sulu,” Dorado said.

He claimed the results of the supposed “Ninoy-Mahathir pact” have destroyed all peaceful possibilities of pursuing the country’s claims.

Proprietary rights

Reacting to Dorado’s presentation, Princess Jacel Kiram – daughter of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III – maintained that Filipinos have proprietary rights in Sabah.

“We have so much wealth in Sabah na dapat tayo ang nakikinabang (we should be the ones benefitting),” Jacel said.

She said the lease agreement over North Borneo expired in 1978.

She accused the Aquino administration of protecting the interests of the Malaysian prime minister rather than the interest of the Filipino people.

“I would prefer to be another (nationality) rather than a Filipino citizen under our current set of leaders,” she said.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/ ... -vs-marcos

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Mali yang ginagawa nila.

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gaano katotoo?...langyang Panot

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Haiyan! wrote:
Di na yan kataka-taka ngayong administrasyon kasi noon pa man ay plano na talagang ipamigay ang Sabah sa Malaysia ng pamilyang Aquino. Traydor talaga! 8)


DFA: NINOY AQUINO BETRAYED the Philippines- SOLD SABAH to Malaysia for POWER Ambition

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Former senator Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino Jr. had promised Malaysia in 1983 that the Philippines would drop its claim over Sabah in exchange for its support in the move to oust strongman Ferdinand Marcos, a former foreign affairs official revealed yesterday.

Hermes Dorado, former national territory division head of the Department of Foreign Affairs, said Aquino met with then Malaysian Prime Minister Mohammad Mahathir before he went back to the Philippines and was assassinated on Aug. 21, 1983.

Dorado said there were no official records of the supposed meeting between Aquino and Mahathir, but said he "became privy to this bit of intelligence" from former ambassador and retired general Rafael Ileto.

"General Ileto indirectly confirmed that Ninoy Aquino asked for help from Mahathir in exchange for dropping the Sabah claim when he gains power," Dorado told a forum at the University of the Philippines in Quezon City.

Dorado said Ileto was the person assigned to monitor Aquino's movement on his journey back to Manila.

"There was a commitment to help oust Marcos," he added. "That is the reason why the government today is somehow reluctant to support the Sabah claim."

"Our hands are tied today because the leadership up to this day is committed to drop the Philippine claim of Sabah," he said.

According to Dorado, the clearest proof of Ninoy's supposed pledge to Malaysia will be found in the 1987 Constitution, which was written during the presidency of his widow Corazon Aquino.

Dorado said the 1987 Constitution amended the first article of the 1973 Constitution and removed the phrase, "and all other territories belonging to the Philippines by historic right or legal title."

The 1987 Constitution revised the definition of Philippine territory and "deleted Sabah as a historic claim backed up by the legal title pertaining to the sultanate of Sulu," he added.

Dorado said Mrs. Aquino had no choice but to honor Ninoy's commitment to Mahathir because she needed support from ASEAN nations to legitimize her ascendancy to the presidency through the people power revolution.

"Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir adamantly refused to attend the ASEAN Summit in Manila until President Cory made a firm commitment to amend Article 1 of the 1973 Constitution," Dorado pointed out.

"Malaysian hard-ball diplomatic and guerrilla war maneuverings, backed by shrewd use of economic leverage, sourced from huge revenues from oil extracted in Sabah, were completed by 1987," he added.

"They succeeded in forcing the Constitutional Commission to drop the Philippine Sabah claim, hands down."

Dorado said the amended Baselines Law approved in March 2009 resulted in the exclusion of Sabah from the Philippine territory.

He said the amended law removed Section 2 of the 1968 law that included the phrase, "…the territory of Sabah, situated in North Borneo, over which the Republic of the Philippines has acquired dominion and sovereignty."

"Removal of the specific reference to Sabah represented a disastrous outcome to the claims of the sultanate of Sulu," Dorado said.

He claimed the results of the supposed "Ninoy-Mahathir pact" have destroyed all peaceful possibilities of pursuing the country's claims.

Proprietary rights

Reacting to Dorado's presentation, Princess Jacel Kiram – daughter of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III – maintained that Filipinos have proprietary rights in Sabah.

"We have so much wealth in Sabah na dapat tayo ang nakikinabang (we should be the ones benefitting)," Jacel said.

She said the lease agreement over North Borneo expired in 1978.

She accused the Aquino administration of protecting the interests of the Malaysian prime minister rather than the interest of the Filipino people.

"I would prefer to be another (nationality) rather than a Filipino citizen under our current set of leaders," she said.

During the forum, Jacel confirmed the meeting between her uncle Sultan Bantilan Esmail Kiram II and Interior Secretary Manuel Roxas II.

"This is the first official talk from our side and from the side of the government," she said, declining to provide additional information as she was not privy to what was discussed in the meeting.

Jacel said the development was a "good gesture" on the part of the government, and that its intention was for the benefit of the Filipino people.

Citing latest information from Sabah, Jacel said Agbimuddin Kiram and his people are safe but a lot of Filipinos have become victims of excessive force by Malaysian security forces. – With Paolo Romero, Jaime Laude, Marvin Sy.

http://koreanewsonline.blogspot.com/2013/03/dfa-ninoy-aquino-betrayed-philippines.html#.VRoGQXKukcp


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Whats new? Abnoy Dad already traded Sabah for support to overthrow Marcos way back...
Hes just following the steps of his forefathers.

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Bakit Hindi ang hacienda luisita ang i-offer nya sa Malaysia?

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Kung mga ginawa ni Ninoy at PNoy, yellows will look for "guilty beyond reasonable doubt". Everything and everybody else, will be guilty as alleged.

Yellow zombies :lol: :lol: :lol:


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lagi talagang inuunahan ni makoy si ninoy. :lol:

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President Ferdinand E. Marcos gives up claim to Sabah. At this point in Marcos’ Presidency, a legislature has not yet been convened, therefore, President Marcos exercised full authority over Foreign Affairs policy.

In a speech Marcos said:

The Philippine government is taking definite steps to eliminate one of the burdens of ASEAN — the Philippine claim to Sabah.[122]


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/66281/north-borneo-sabah-an-annotated-timeline-1640s-present#ixzz4tVzDp0T6


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