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Is Marcos a HERO?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:33 am 
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Hero’s burial for a hero-maker
Florin T. Hilbay • Posted 10 hours ago

“WE LIVE by symbols.” We make meaning through them—we are homo significans.

The battle for the public meaning of the Libingan ng mga Bayani has now reached Padre Faura, threatening to become the first confrontation between the Duterte administration and the Supreme Court.

The challenge for the various petitioners in these cases is how to couch their moral and political outrage into legal arguments so the Court can avoid making pure value judgments and decide on the basis of legal principles. It is how to translate the national cognitive dissonance created by the administration’s decision to bury and, therefore, consecrate Marcos as a public, official hero into a legal wrong cognizable by courts.

At bottom, the case against Marcos’ burial at the Libingan may be framed into an apparent conflict between rules, on one hand, and standards, on the other. Ordinarily, rights- or benefits-conferring statutes provide an enumeration of who qualifies (rules) and the conditions for their qualifications (standards). Rules are generally objective, whereas standards require some exercise of discretion.

The statutory basis for the creation of the Libingan is found in Republic Act No. 268 which seeks “[t]o perpetuate the memory of all the Presidents of the Philippines, national heroes and patriots for the inspiration and emulation of this generation and of generations still unborn…” This proviso simultaneously incorporates a rule and a standard.

The case for the administration rests on a straightforward application of the rule allowing all presidents burial access to the Libingan. While there is no denying that Marcos is a former president, that is only half of the analysis.

The balance of the law requires compliance with the standard: “for the inspiration and emulation of this generation and of generations still unborn.” This standard is legally enforceable. In plain terms, the law never envisioned the burial of a president who is not worth emulating. The Libingan is the Republic’s holy grounds for its secular gods; it is not for those who make martyrs out of them—it is for heroes, not hero-makers.

One might think that the legal standard is vague or purely hortatory. After all, one’s capacity to inspire is subjective and people can have legitimate disagreement about their idols. This may be true, but this is also incontrovertibly not the case when it comes to Marcos.

The assertions that Marcos plundered the nation and violated the most basic rights of his citizens are not mere claims made on Facebook or over dinner conversations. They are, under the law of evidence, legislative facts that courts of law must accept as true, regardless of politics or even one’s preferred version of history. What this means is that given the status of our laws with respect to Marcos, there can be no debate that he plundered the nation and violated human rights on a scale that required remedial action from the state.

First. The laws creating the Presidential Commission on Good Government (PCGG) and the Sandiganbayan set up an administrative and judicial mechanism for recovering moneys stolen by Marcos and his cohorts. The fact that billions of pesos have been recovered here and abroad validates the decades-long effort to recover the Marcos loot. The PCGG is still going after the Marcos billions and the Sandiganbayan is still trying ill-gotten wealth cases. The Supreme Court itself, in various decisions, has recognized the thievery of the Marcos regime, characterizing it as a “well-entrenched plundering regime of twenty years.”

Second. Congress also passed RA 10368 or An Act Providing For Reparation and Recognition of Victims of Human Rights Violations During the Marcos Regime. The state, in recognition of the horrors of martial law, has enacted a policy of using public funds to pay for Marcos’ use of state machinery to inflict violence on Filipinos. We can complain about human rights abuses under any presidency, but it is only with respect to the Marcos regime that the state has owned up to the scale and intensity of abuses during that period by offering reparations.

Thus, regardless of the administration’s views about the meaning of “moving on,” or any citizen’s (including President Duterte’s) views about Marcos, the Court, as a matter of law, must take judicial notice of these laws which incorporate a legislative determination of facts—that Marcos plundered and murdered. To question these legislative facts is to consider the recovery of the Marcoses’ ill-gotten wealth as nothing less than state-sponsored robbery of the Marcos family’s legitimate wealth, and the payment of public funds to martial law victims as mere state-sponsored scheme to divert such funds into private hands.

The point here is that if the question is whether Marcos, as a dead president, is compliant with the standard that he be inspiring and worthy of emulation, then the clear answer is that it has been the consistent policy of the state—through legislation, executive action, and judicial enforcement—that he is not. This makes the decision to bury him at the Libingan an act that can be legally prohibited by the courts.

And lest we forget, our constitutional framework rests on a backdrop of rejection of almost everything Marcos was infamous for. It is no exaggeration to declare that the 1987 Constitution is our country’s most powerful symbol against the evils of his regime.

The day we bury Marcos at the Libingan will be the day he rises as a hero. If that happens, we might as well bury the Constitution with him.

Florin T. Hilbay is a former solicitor general. He teaches at the UP College of Law.

http://opinion.inquirer.net/96707/heros-burial-hero-maker/amp


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BBM confident PET will declare him VP
by Mario Casayuran
June 30, 2016 (updated)

http://www.mb.com.ph/marcos-confident-pet-will-declare-him-vp/

:lol: :shock: :lol:


VP ni Elly Pamatong pwede...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:30 pm 
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Here come the marcos loyalists/history experts .

" Yellow propaganda yan."
" Marcos is the best president ever."


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:10 pm 
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When is the yellow going to come out and apologize? they farked this country up for 20 years. Marcos was right with all his prophecies. :D 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnISpuuVBqw


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:02 pm 
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Numero uno wrote:
When is the yellow going to come out and apologize? they farked this country up for 20 years. Marcos was right with all his prophecies. :D 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnISpuuVBqw


sir, he too prophesied he's going to be used people's money and porked it and he too prophesied exactly before he declare the martial law that he's going to be named no. 2 in most corrupt leader of the universe and he was also foretold a brexit, and he also prophesied his dead body wouldn't decompose for eternity unless it would directly hit by sunlight within 12 hours sir. i never knew marcos was a false prophet too sir, thanks for sharin sir


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:15 pm 
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BMWi8 wrote:
Numero uno wrote:
When is the yellow going to come out and apologize? they farked this country up for 20 years. Marcos was right with all his prophecies. :D 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnISpuuVBqw


sir, he too prophesied he's going to be used people's money and porked it and he too prophesied exactly before he declare the martial law that he's going to be named no. 2 in most corrupt leader of the universe and he was also foretold a brexit, and he also prophesied his dead body wouldn't decompose for eternity unless it would directly hit by sunlight within 12 hours sir. i never knew marcos was a false prophet too sir, thanks for sharin sir


Why can't you forgive him? The man is long gone. Well, well you still can't forgive the man. Are you a Christian? Time heals all wounds. I can't believe these TEAM Dilaw still butt hurt over something that happened a long time ago. OA much?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:29 pm 
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Numero uno wrote:
BMWi8 wrote:
Numero uno wrote:
When is the yellow going to come out and apologize? they farked this country up for 20 years. Marcos was right with all his prophecies. :D 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnISpuuVBqw


sir, he too prophesied he's going to be used people's money and porked it and he too prophesied exactly before he declare the martial law that he's going to be named no. 2 in most corrupt leader of the universe and he was also foretold a brexit, and he also prophesied his dead body wouldn't decompose for eternity unless it would directly hit by sunlight within 12 hours sir. i never knew marcos was a false prophet too sir, thanks for sharin sir


Why can't you forgive him? The man is long gone. Well, well you still can't forgive the man. Are you a Christian? Time heals all wounds. I can't believe these TEAM Dilaw still butt hurt over something that happened a long time ago. OA much?


now you are talking about forgiving sir. who am i not to forgive? when you're accusing me as a member of team dilaw sir. sir, yes sir, the vile dictator has been dead for almost 30yrs but his kith and kins should have buried him already long time ago, i was wondering what's their main motive sir. actually i saw a road paved with good intentions, but i wonder where that leads to? and perhaps they're now singing the song to forgive is to suffer sir


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:39 pm 
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thedarkdragon11 wrote:
BMWi8 wrote:
BBM confident PET will declare him VP
by Mario Casayuran
June 30, 2016 (updated)

http://www.mb.com.ph/marcos-confident-pet-will-declare-him-vp/

:lol: :shock: :lol:


VP ni Elly Pamatong pwede...


too much sarcasm, sir. i'm much less sarcastic. vp leni won. end of


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:03 pm 
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JoeyInCali wrote:
Here come the marcos loyalists/history experts .

" Yellow propaganda yan."
" Marcos is the best president ever."


you nailed it hard, sir!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:47 pm 
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..eh bobong said marcos sinned to no one..so their is nothing to forgive..

..redtards said he was the best president..so again their is nothing to forgive..

..so pls stop askiong for forgiveness mr numero uno..if you insist on forgiving macoy then you better start looking for the families listed below and asked them to forgive macoy..

"The Numbers: Hair-raising
Statistics on the extent of human rights violations were hair-raising. Danilo Vizmanos, a West Point-trained Navy Captain turned activist, estimates the extent of suffering under martial law: 7,000 victims of torture, 2,000 salvaged or summarily executed, 1,000 people disappeared (Malanes 1999, 16). His estimate is similar to the number of legal claimants of human rights violations against the Marcoses in the Hawaii case: 9,539 (Rosales 1999, 12) In addition to this, the Task Force Detainees of the Philippines gives numbers to more specific inicdences. In their record, from 1965-1986, the numbers were as follows: 2,668 incidents of arrests 306 total number of arrested individuals 398 disappearances 1,338 salvagings 128 frustrated salvagings 1,499 killed or wounded in massacres (Magsaysay 1999) But Amnesty International, 1977 Nobel Peace Prize recipient and respected activist organization on global human rights, gives a not so conservative estimates in the whole Martial Law years: 70,000 were imprisoned, 34,000 were tortured, 3,240 were killed (Tiongson 1997). The numbers vary and it would be impossible to account for everything since some victims and their families chose not to pursue it for fear for their lives. Despite the differences in statistics, these are not just numbers. Here are thousands of lives lost, and thousands of families destroyed. The human rights violations happened, and they were real."


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3000 hmm it's not as bad as i thought. I expected more. Far worst things have happened in world. OA nyo naman. You overs sensationalized the atrocities Marcos regime committed like he killed millions of Filipinos. It would be interesting to see how many deaths occurred under the Dilaw administration, also the manakaw statistics, cultivate the culture graft and corruption, drug pandemic, lack of law and order and the failure to make the country develop and prosper. :lol:

Read about
Pol pot regime :Millions died
Iraqi wars :Millions died
Holocaust
Rwandan Genocide.

OA nyo mga Dilaw team. Marcos was a saint compared to what happened to other countries homie! so please learn to forgive OK.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:56 pm 
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Ok copy and paste queen i got one for you..

http://www.getrealphilippines.com/blog/ ... cos-years/


In just 6 years, Noynoy Aquino’s record of failure is now worse than all of the Marcos years.

Filipinos who can’t stop talking about the “horrors” of the Martial Law years under the late former President Ferdinand Marcos are starting to come across as hopeless and desperate for attention. While the atrocities against the victims should be condemned, their cases were already brought to court and won compensation. It is now time to move on to atrocities happening at present times.


Filipinos today are being lulled into thinking that the country is safe in the hands of President Benigno Simeon Aquino and his allies – members of the oligarchy. In fact, as early as 1986, after the late former President Cory Aquino took over from Marcos, Philippine mainstream media and other showbiz personalities allied with her government created the illusion that the country is better off under the Aquinos. The Filipino people have been lied to for over 30 years.


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Numero uno wrote:
Ok copy and paste queen i got one for you..

http://www.getrealphilippines.com/blog/ ... cos-years/


In just 6 years, Noynoy Aquino’s record of failure is now worse than all of the Marcos years.

Filipinos who can’t stop talking about the “horrors” of the Martial Law years under the late former President Ferdinand Marcos are starting to come across as hopeless and desperate for attention. While the atrocities against the victims should be condemned, their cases were already brought to court and won compensation. It is now time to move on to atrocities happening at present times.


Filipinos today are being lulled into thinking that the country is safe in the hands of President Benigno Simeon Aquino and his allies – members of the oligarchy. In fact, as early as 1986, after the late former President Cory Aquino took over from Marcos, Philippine mainstream media and other showbiz personalities allied with her government created the illusion that the country is better off under the Aquinos. The Filipino people have been lied to for over 30 years.

You actually posted that ? Weak.
GMA, illegally detained ?
Ok, let's say she was .
How many political prisoners were tortured ? How many were shot at the airport ?
Any activist raped and tortured ?
People call Kris STD Kris or p#ta all the time and the none were tortured .
The one who questioned Imee's position ? Pfft!
Panot was a horrible president but his six years were not worse than macoy's last 6 years.
How much did the peso devalue from 1979 to 1985 ? Debt to GDP rate .
Compare those to Panot's six years .
Traffic in Manila got really bad . And how can you foretell marcos would have done better with the population and number of cars in the MM area now ?
Marcos sure did not slow down the provincial exodus to Manila during his time .

And one thing marcos did not do that Cory and PNoy did was STEP DOWN when their terms were up.


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Numero uno wrote:
BMWi8 wrote:
Numero uno wrote:
When is the yellow going to come out and apologize? they farked this country up for 20 years. Marcos was right with all his prophecies. :D 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnISpuuVBqw


sir, he too prophesied he's going to be used people's money and porked it and he too prophesied exactly before he declare the martial law that he's going to be named no. 2 in most corrupt leader of the universe and he was also foretold a brexit, and he also prophesied his dead body wouldn't decompose for eternity unless it would directly hit by sunlight within 12 hours sir. i never knew marcos was a false prophet too sir, thanks for sharin sir


Why can't you forgive him? The man is long gone. Well, well you still can't forgive the man. Are you a Christian? Time heals all wounds. I can't believe these TEAM Dilaw still butt hurt over something that happened a long time ago. OA much?

Forgive him when he wasn't remorseful one bit? That includes his family .
And he wanted to get buried at the Libingan when the word got out he faked his medals. :lol:


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