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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:43 am 
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Yes magaling yang si Calata, si adme ang hindi. :peace:

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seriously, yes maging billionaire ka at any age, let alone in your 30's--talagang very impressive saludo tayo diyan

kaya lang mas ok sana magcite na example, yung walang cases para mas hecho derecho :wink:


Haha...baka iba ang point ni Adme... :lol:
He cited Calata as an example to let everyone see na dapat suportahan ang agri-business sa bansa...

yes brad agree din ako to support agri-business sa atin,

pero si Adme, he is against CARP, gusto niya laissez-faire policy sa agriculture
in other words, let the landlords stay and continue what they have been doing, exploiting tenant farmers

Calata might be a good example for the agribusiness angle but I'm not sure if he is actually a vast landowner, kaso may cases nga :D

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:45 am 
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Wala naman problema sa pagsuporta sa agri business. Ang problema lang madalas yung mga landowners na inaabuso yung mga farmers. Example niya ang US, eh doon ang kinikita ng mga tao sapat na mabuhay sila unlike sa pinas na kulang na kulang pa din pero wala pakialam si adme diyan. Ang importante sa kanya yung mga capitalista lang.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:50 am 
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JABEZJ wrote:
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Yes magaling yang si Calata, si adme ang hindi. :peace:

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seriously, yes maging billionaire ka at any age, let alone in your 30's--talagang very impressive saludo tayo diyan

kaya lang mas ok sana magcite na example, yung walang cases para mas hecho derecho :wink:


Haha...baka iba ang point ni Adme... :lol:
He cited Calata as an example to let everyone see na dapat suportahan ang agri-business sa bansa...
PeluBoy wrote:
yes brad agree din ako to support agri-business sa atin,

pero si Adme, he is against CARP, gusto niya laissez-faire policy sa agriculture
in other words, let the landlords stay and continue what they have been doing, exploiting tenant farmers

Calata might be a good example for the agribusiness angle but I'm not sure if he is actually a vast landowner, kaso may cases nga :D


Regarding CARP...
I think the program failed because the government failed to support these small farmers...
You gave them land...good...But walang capital to start...so mangungutang..
Saan mangungutang? syempre sa dating landlord...
In the end, these small farmers are still held in the throat by the rich..
Why? because the government failed to support them and uplift their lives from scratch...
Sad but true... :(

I've been to Negros areas where tenants work for the hacienderos...
They work 24/7 for as low as 100 pesos per day... :shock:
We want this kind of disparity between the rich and poor?
I don't think so what's why we have CARP...but sadly the cycle of poverty still remains... :(

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:54 am 
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IceColdBeer wrote:
Wala naman problema sa pagsuporta sa agri business. Ang problema lang madalas yung mga landowners na inaabuso yung mga farmers. Example niya ang US, eh doon ang kinikita ng mga tao sapat na mabuhay sila unlike sa pinas na kulang na kulang pa din pero wala pakialam si adme diyan. Ang importante sa kanya yung mga capitalista lang.


Mali din si Adme with US as his example...
Landed US farmers became rich because they had slaves...
Slaves who were treated like animals...

Parang same structure lang din sa Pilipinas..
Ang kaibahan lang, tenants ang tawag sa mga workers at hindi slaves... :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:59 am 
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JABEZJ wrote:
IceColdBeer wrote:
Wala naman problema sa pagsuporta sa agri business. Ang problema lang madalas yung mga landowners na inaabuso yung mga farmers. Example niya ang US, eh doon ang kinikita ng mga tao sapat na mabuhay sila unlike sa pinas na kulang na kulang pa din pero wala pakialam si adme diyan. Ang importante sa kanya yung mga capitalista lang.


Mali din si Adme with US as his example...
Landed US farmers became rich because they had slaves...
Slaves who were treated like animals...

Parang same structure lang din sa Pilipinas..
Ang kaibahan lang, tenants ang tawag sa mga workers at hindi slaves... :lol:

Noon yun slaves. Ngaun naman mga illegals. :biglaugh:

Sa US, madami mga landowners sila din ang sumasaka. Sa atin mga don, donya, senyorito at senyorita ang mga landowners. :biglaugh:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:07 am 
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JABEZJ wrote:
Regarding CARP...
I think the program failed because the government failed to support these small farmers...
You gave them land...good...But walang capital to start...so mangungutang..
Saan mangungutang? syempre sa dating landlord...
In the end, these small farmers are still held in the throat by the rich..
Why? because the government failed to support them and uplift their lives from scratch...
Sad but true... :(

I've been to Negros areas where tenants work for the hacienderos...
They work 24/7 for as low as 100 pesos per day... :shock:
We want this kind of disparity between the rich and poor?
I don't think so what's why we have CARP...but sadly the cycle of poverty still remains... :(

I also believe agrarian reform in our country has always been implemented half-heartedly
meron siguro times na more serious, but always bumabalik sa status quo simply because these are huge-moneyed elites trying to hold on to their vast lands

even now, yun ex DAR Sec. tried to implement genuine land reform, mabuti naisingit na agad yung sa Luisita before he got the axe :D

funny but nakakapikonize for the average Pinoy citizen:
if you can take a look at the Hacienda Luisita wiki, nakakabwesit halatang paid hacks ng Cojuangcos ang nag e-edit, ang layo sa for example, timeline ng GMA on the same, Holding on: A Hacienda Luisita timeline from the Spanish to the Noynoy eras

I hope may mag edit faithfully to reflect the truth more closely, it probably won't be an easy job since I'm guessing there's a squad of paid hacks the concerned clan has hired to foil any such attempts


makes one wonder at the resources and ploys these moneyed clans are willing to employ to skew everything in their favor

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:21 am 
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JABEZJ wrote:
Mali din si Adme with US as his example...
Landed US farmers became rich because they had slaves...
Slaves who were treated like animals...

Parang same structure lang din sa Pilipinas..
Ang kaibahan lang, tenants ang tawag sa mga workers at hindi slaves... :lol:

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Noon yun slaves. Ngaun naman mga illegals. :biglaugh:

Sa US, madami mga landowners sila din ang sumasaka. Sa atin mga don, donya, senyorito at senyorita ang mga landowners. :biglaugh:

also, and I think just as importantly, sa US especially during the times when it was the New World, anyone could stake a claim over a piece of land and after some time it officially belonged to him, e dito sa Pinas, pinagpartepartehan ng mga amuyong ng Hari ng España ang malalawak na lupain.

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Kailangan ng mga farmers magorganize into cooperatives para makatake advantage sa economy of scale at loans galing sa mga govt financial institutions para mamodernize ang paraan ng pagsasaka. Matagal nang programa yan at marami na rin naging successful. Kailangan lang talaga na may magorganize. Pwede siguro na barangay officials ang magproyekto nito.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:28 pm 
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Calata pa talaga ang naging sample...

bakit di na lang Lapanday or Dole???

OH!!!

hypocrite tlaga ampt!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:29 pm 
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nawala na si Adme

yuhoooo !!!



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:32 pm 
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JABEZJ wrote:
IceColdBeer wrote:
Wala naman problema sa pagsuporta sa agri business. Ang problema lang madalas yung mga landowners na inaabuso yung mga farmers. Example niya ang US, eh doon ang kinikita ng mga tao sapat na mabuhay sila unlike sa pinas na kulang na kulang pa din pero wala pakialam si adme diyan. Ang importante sa kanya yung mga capitalista lang.


Mali din si Adme with US as his example...
Landed US farmers became rich because they had slaves...
Slaves who were treated like animals...

Parang same structure lang din sa Pilipinas..
Ang kaibahan lang, tenants ang tawag sa mga workers at hindi slaves... :lol:

modern day farmers sa US ay mga self made, karamihan sa kanila recently lang yan after WWII.
Yong slave farming pre-civil war yon. saka sakop lang ang south eastern coast.
Nahinto yon after civil war. kaya yong mga land lords na yon nag shift sa ibang industry, gaya ng mining and oil and technology.

yong farming ngayon sa US, lalo na yong sa western and central regions are self made billionaires, using technology and not slave owners.

bottom line, the government should not limit an individual to rich their full potential.
Studies after studies have concluded that the CARP harm the Philippine Agriculture.

And you want to do more, you want the government to be more involve?
Your intention is right, but that is a utopia. you need fundings, you need taxes, and you need people to run this program.
This program is as only good as the people and resources that runs them.
and that is very inefficient of doing things.
Why not let the people determine their full potential?

Farmer Juan want to acquire the non-productive farm of Jose, Jose is not as innovative and as dedicated as Juan, Jose want to sell his farm. But because of CARP, Juan cannot acquire Jose's land. instead Jose sold the Land to Manny, and Manny is a property developer.

That is exactly what is going on in the country.

as per Calata, Calata is a good example. All his moves, including selling part of his companies is a wise move so he can focus on things he does best. This is normal in the industry. and his move just shows how good he is.
You don't become a billionaire for nothing. Trump sold a lot of his Hotels and Casinos and business like the Miss Universe when he sees it is no longer profitable. He divest, smart people divest a lot.

I want to See more Calata, I want to see Juan, and Pedro, and Presing to be billionaire farmers!!!

BUT THE GOVERNMENT TROUGH CARP IS TELLING THEM, NO YOU CANT!
The GOVERNMENT TELLS THEM STICK TO YOUR SMALL PIECE OF LAND!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:24 pm 
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Mahirap talagang ma"rich" yang full potential na yan. :biglaugh:

Iba nga yang yu-es mo adme. Kung maayos lang ba ang gobyerno natin simula noon pa eh di wala sanang problema. Madaming may gusto kaso hindi madaling makuha yan lalo nasa pinas ka. Kaya ka nga tumakas ng pinas di ba?

Napakahirap din magnegosyo sa atin lalo umutang sa mga bankong paurong ang mga utak.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:49 pm 
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You agree with me the Philippine Government sucks!
Yet many people want the same government to regulate farming?

It doesnt make sense???!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:51 pm 
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na-address na ba yung land ownership issue, or more precisely the lack of land ownership sa Pinas compared sa good ole US of A :?:

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hihihih :lol:

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