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agree ako ke Jabez

kalokohan yan torni.

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training training....

in my field ( IT )

ok yang training kung mag shift ka ng technology.


pero kung halimbawa DBA (database administrator) ka.. kailangan mo lang ng training kung mag papalit kayo ng DB halimbawa from Oracle to MS SQL server.

kung hindi naman bat ka mag te training ng kahit ano na di mo naman gagamitin?

case to case kaya kalokohan na mandatory yang points na yan...

lawa takwents yan torni :D

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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Mawawalan nang negosyo si Atty. sayang ang puhunan niya kung e abolish.


kaya hinde siya agree :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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JABEZJ wrote:
I don't really get the point that in order to continue your development as a professional, you need to earn CPD points...
Really?

Example natin ang seaman..
Pag end ng contract, para makasakay ulit, need ng schooling..
Pero dapat sa ganitong school lang kasi ito lang accredited or else walang kwenta ang certificate if sa ibang training centers galing ang certificate..
Common feedback...wala namang bagong itinuro...
Title lang ang nagbago pero same same lang ang content...
In SHORT, pera-pera lang talaga...


sa seaman, marami dating nakakasakay na ang educational background had nothing to do with being a seaman. nakakasakay kasi kamag anak ay kapitan or chief engineer or malakas sa kumpanya. naka apekto ito sa integrity ng industriya ng maritime sa atin. ngayon nga me audit na naman ang marina, last chance na daw. this is in compliance to international standards. pag hindi pumasa, malaking problema ng gobyerno paano bigyan trabaho ang libo libong seamen.

one thing na feeling ng karamihan pasakit ang CPD is because din sa 'quality' ng ating educational system.

bakit ibang countries (ex. europeans), pag nag graduate ng engineering, makapag trabaho derecho sa US (vice versa), without any need to apply for license, unlike sa mga pinoys? in a way, ang CPD law is holistic ang approach, giving pressure to elevate the quality of educational system.

this is actually a case of the government doing something to elevate our level of competence, which should start from our educational system, so hopefully we can be at par with other countries.

take the case sa US, on different levels and requirements on license/certification:

Quote:
Professional Engineer -- Applicants must be licensed as Professional Engineers and possess 6 years of experience in the specialty following the baccalaureate degree of which at least two years must be obtained after they have been issued a license. The title "Diplomate" is used to denote licensed professional engineers who have been granted specialty certification.

Graduate Engineer -- Applicants must be graduates of an ABET-accredited engineering baccalaureate degree program and possess four years of experience after graduation in responsible charge in the specialty being certified. The title "engineer" is limited to use by certificants in this category and by those in the Professional Engineer category.

Engineering Related -- Any field not titled engineering, but related in some way to the practice of engineering is covered by this category. Applicants must possess an accredited baccalaureate degree and four years of professional level experience in the specialty being certified.

Engineering Technician -- Applicants must possess an accredited two-year associate engineering technology degree or equivalent training and two years of work experience relevant to the specialty being certified.



kaya if there is something wrong with the 'accreditation' sa CPD law, then that is where the 'amendments' should come in.
it is without saying also that we need to understand the current plight of those licensed professionals.

a thorough review is needed, thus an amendment is better instead of abolishing it.

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miron_lang wrote:
agree ako ke Jabez

kalokohan yan torni.

:D

training training....

in my field ( IT )

ok yang training kung mag shift ka ng technology.


pero kung halimbawa DBA (database administrator) ka.. kailangan mo lang ng training kung mag papalit kayo ng DB halimbawa from Oracle to MS SQL server.

kung hindi naman bat ka mag te training ng kahit ano na di mo naman gagamitin?

case to case kaya kalokohan na mandatory yang points na yan...

lawa takwents yan torni :D


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Let me give you another example..
An electornics engineer working as a safety practitioner of a construction company which specializes in road construction...
Does that mean he is not developing his professional career?


Isa pang example..
May kakilala ako...chemical engineer..
He is the terminal manager of an oil depot in Reg 6...
Does that mean he is not developing his professional life?
Pipilitin mo syang mag CPD, mag attend ng seminar about chemical engineering kahit his line of work is no longer in the field of chem engg?
Do you think spending thousands just to earn 10 CPD points will be useful in his line of work?

Isa pa...yung idi-discuss sa mga seminars, nasa books din yan...sa google...
So what's new?
Principles of Engineering mechanics will be forever the same kahit ilang CPD points pa ang makuha mo sa seminars...

CPD is useful?
Pera-pera lang talaga...

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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don robert wrote:
JABEZJ wrote:
I don't really get the point that in order to continue your development as a professional, you need to earn CPD points...
Really?

Example natin ang seaman..
Pag end ng contract, para makasakay ulit, need ng schooling..
Pero dapat sa ganitong school lang kasi ito lang accredited or else walang kwenta ang certificate if sa ibang training centers galing ang certificate..
Common feedback...wala namang bagong itinuro...
Title lang ang nagbago pero same same lang ang content...
In SHORT, pera-pera lang talaga...


sa seaman, marami dating nakakasakay na ang educational background had nothing to do with being a seaman. nakakasakay kasi kamag anak ay kapitan or chief engineer or malakas sa kumpanya. naka apekto ito sa integrity ng industriya ng maritime sa atin. ngayon nga me audit na naman ang marina, last chance na daw. this is in compliance to international standards. pag hindi pumasa, malaking problema ng gobyerno paano bigyan trabaho ang libo libong seamen.

one thing na feeling ng karamihan pasakit ang CPD is because din sa 'quality' ng ating educational system.

bakit ibang countries (ex. europeans), pag nag graduate ng engineering, makapag trabaho derecho sa US (vice versa), without any need to apply for license, unlike sa mga pinoys? in a way, ang CPD law is holistic ang approach, giving pressure to elevate the quality of educational system.

this is actually a case of the government doing something to elevate our level of competence, which should start from our educational system, so hopefully we can be at par with other countries.

take the case sa US, on different levels and requirements on license/certification:

Quote:
Professional Engineer -- Applicants must be licensed as Professional Engineers and possess 6 years of experience in the specialty following the baccalaureate degree of which at least two years must be obtained after they have been issued a license. The title "Diplomate" is used to denote licensed professional engineers who have been granted specialty certification.

Graduate Engineer -- Applicants must be graduates of an ABET-accredited engineering baccalaureate degree program and possess four years of experience after graduation in responsible charge in the specialty being certified. The title "engineer" is limited to use by certificants in this category and by those in the Professional Engineer category.

Engineering Related -- Any field not titled engineering, but related in some way to the practice of engineering is covered by this category. Applicants must possess an accredited baccalaureate degree and four years of professional level experience in the specialty being certified.

Engineering Technician -- Applicants must possess an accredited two-year associate engineering technology degree or equivalent training and two years of work experience relevant to the specialty being certified.



kaya if there is something wrong with the 'accreditation' sa CPD law, then that is where the 'amendments' should come in.
it is without saying also that we need to understand the current plight of those licensed professionals.

a thorough review is needed, thus an amendment is better instead of abolishing it.


Yung mga naging seamen kahit hindi maritime-related ang course, do you think CPD or schooling is the real solution for that? really?

Yung integrity sa maritime industry, inayos na sana yan ni Capt. Marcial Amaro III.
Kaya lang marami syang nasagasaan kasi that man is a man of action and integrity..
Kaya sya inakusahang laging nakabyahe...ayun tanggal sa MARINA...

Regarding engineering, that is how bias Western countries are towards Asians/Filipinos..
Kasi feeling nila they are more advance than us and we do not know their technology...
Pero in reality, racist lang sila kaya kailangan ulit mag-aral in their schools just to be accredited as one of them..
I have an American friend na engineer daw...
Hindi naman marunong mag Laplace Transform...
Does that mean kailangan din nya mag-aral dito sa Pilipinas?
Improve our education quality?
No sir...books being used by engineering schools are all US/foreign books...
What's the difference? theory-wise, we are at par with them...
Bias lang sila against us and they feel they are superior pero no way...we are even better than them...

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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Romy Nabas wrote:
agree ako kay donya roberta na i-amend lang at wag i-abolish
one of the areas na tinitingnan na competency among professionals yung cpd units earned

ang sistema kasi, all encompassing ang batas on to earn cpd points
yung number of years in practice mo eh parang balewala lang
say, an engineer who is in practice of profession for 30 years na mag eexpire na ang lisensya will need the same cpd points ng engineer na 1st time magrerenew ng lisensya

baka yung years of experience, ma consider din para mabigyan ng points


Is earning CPD points the only way to make our professionals competent?

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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sa nursing naman...

hindi mo kelangan ng CPD just to renew your license... pucha, the work itself is more than enough to earn you the right to renew your license.

from a mere ward nurse to a special ward nurse, (eg. room nurse to operating room nurse). you don't need trainings outside the hospital for that, because mismong sa ospital ka kung san ka nagtatrabaho dun ka nila mismo iti-train...

para naman sa mga guro, kung graduate ka primary education at gusto mong magturo ng secondary, hindi CPD kelangan mo, kelangan mo ulit mag-aral at mag-earn ng units ng secondary education at grumaduate. halos lahat ng mga eskwelahan, may "lakbay aral" program pra sa mga guro nila... dun pa lang panalo na ang mga guro. sponsored by the school itself

ang masama ksi sa CPD is worthless sya sa setting dito sa Pinas... aanhin mo ung mga units na un sa trabaho mo? wala... just for the sake na may units ka pra covered ka sa time ng renewal.

dito sa pinas, hindi mahalaga kung ilang trainings ang nakuha mo... ang importante ay ung real-life experience.

mantakin mo dahil walang makuhang training specifically for Operating Room nurses, nagsesettle na lng sa bed-side care training. pra lng makakuha ng credits.



kung gusto nila mapakinabangan tlaga nila ang CPD at ang "professional license" bakit hindi nila iapply sa registration or renewal ng drivers license?

IMHO, mas may pakinabang pa un. pro ayaw ng mga polpolitiko, bawas boto kasi.

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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hindi pa nga nasasagot ung tanong dito (nakalimutan ko kung anong page un) na

kung ung lecturer ay isang PRC license professional na pinoy,

makaka-earn rin ba sya ng CPD units dahil lecturer sya? oo o hindi?

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pubringjuandelacruz wrote:
hindi pa nga nasasagot ung tanong dito (nakalimutan ko kung anong page un) na

kung ung lecturer ay isang PRC license professional na pinoy,

makaka-earn rin ba sya ng CPD units dahil lecturer sya? oo o hindi?


parang na mention sa CPD law na mag e earn din ng points...

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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JABEZJ wrote:
don robert wrote:

sa seaman, marami dating nakakasakay na ang educational background had nothing to do with being a seaman. nakakasakay kasi kamag anak ay kapitan or chief engineer or malakas sa kumpanya. naka apekto ito sa integrity ng industriya ng maritime sa atin. ngayon nga me audit na naman ang marina, last chance na daw. this is in compliance to international standards. pag hindi pumasa, malaking problema ng gobyerno paano bigyan trabaho ang libo libong seamen.

one thing na feeling ng karamihan pasakit ang CPD is because din sa 'quality' ng ating educational system.

bakit ibang countries (ex. europeans), pag nag graduate ng engineering, makapag trabaho derecho sa US (vice versa), without any need to apply for license, unlike sa mga pinoys? in a way, ang CPD law is holistic ang approach, giving pressure to elevate the quality of educational system.

this is actually a case of the government doing something to elevate our level of competence, which should start from our educational system, so hopefully we can be at par with other countries.

take the case sa US, on different levels and requirements on license/certification:

Quote:
Professional Engineer -- Applicants must be licensed as Professional Engineers and possess 6 years of experience in the specialty following the baccalaureate degree of which at least two years must be obtained after they have been issued a license. The title "Diplomate" is used to denote licensed professional engineers who have been granted specialty certification.

Graduate Engineer -- Applicants must be graduates of an ABET-accredited engineering baccalaureate degree program and possess four years of experience after graduation in responsible charge in the specialty being certified. The title "engineer" is limited to use by certificants in this category and by those in the Professional Engineer category.

Engineering Related -- Any field not titled engineering, but related in some way to the practice of engineering is covered by this category. Applicants must possess an accredited baccalaureate degree and four years of professional level experience in the specialty being certified.

Engineering Technician -- Applicants must possess an accredited two-year associate engineering technology degree or equivalent training and two years of work experience relevant to the specialty being certified.



kaya if there is something wrong with the 'accreditation' sa CPD law, then that is where the 'amendments' should come in.
it is without saying also that we need to understand the current plight of those licensed professionals.

a thorough review is needed, thus an amendment is better instead of abolishing it.


Yung mga naging seamen kahit hindi maritime-related ang course, do you think CPD or schooling is the real solution for that? really?

Yung integrity sa maritime industry, inayos na sana yan ni Capt. Marcial Amaro III.
Kaya lang marami syang nasagasaan kasi that man is a man of action and integrity..
Kaya sya inakusahang laging nakabyahe...ayun tanggal sa MARINA...

Regarding engineering, that is how bias Western countries are towards Asians/Filipinos..
Kasi feeling nila they are more advance than us and we do not know their technology...
Pero in reality, racist lang sila kaya kailangan ulit mag-aral in their schools just to be accredited as one of them..
I have an American friend na engineer daw...
Hindi naman marunong mag Laplace Transform...
Does that mean kailangan din nya mag-aral dito sa Pilipinas?
Improve our education quality?
No sir...books being used by engineering schools are all US/foreign books...
What's the difference? theory-wise, we are at par with them...
Bias lang sila against us and they feel they are superior pero no way...we are even better than them...


i don't think racism yan, kasi ang alam ko ang engineering graduate ng Singapore, Japan, India or Taiwan ay credited sa US or Europe.

just to drive a point. i met a lady who finished her masters in UP. she had to go to Taiwan to get her PhD because the machine that she needs to complete her PhD (molecular science ang line nya) is not available in our country. the nearest one is in Taiwan. and she chose Taiwan because that's the 'cheapest' (i dont understand the aspect on this subject). last i heard from her, she's in Texas now, working. she got her 'accreditation' in Taiwan, after she got her PhD.

sa K to 12 na lang, maraming kumontra. several times in the past it was asked from the government to upgrade our educational system. we were reportedly one of two countries left that is not k to 12 (citation needed). i remember, Gloria Arroyo fired one of her cabinet men for pushing the k to 12 system (a guy from AIM). i remember him saying something like "why do we think our kids are so special that we can jam all the information in less educational years than other countries".

in last 2016, the math and science rankings around the world (10 under, 14 under), the top 5 was dominated by Asian countries: Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Chinese Taipei and Japan. The Philippines was not in the top 50 list.

the guy you met may not know Laplace transform, he may have misrepresented himself. or he may belong to the not-so-good students in their educational system.

but this i know. the americans, the europeans. they invent things. filipinos are still proud in knowing how to maintain what the americans or europeans invented.

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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^ Inventions? I think the answer lies in school laboratories... We don't have good facilities... much more in public schools..

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So agree tayo DR na hindi CPD ang sagot on how to eradicate seamen without maritime course or degree.
The solution to that is not to hire or terminate those who are not indeed seamen...
If termination is no longer possible, assign them in land jobs and don't allow them to sail...
Seamen trainings are just after money and not additional knowledge...

OK let's say it is not racism..
Do you think CPD will address that?
A BIG NO...
We have to align with their curriculum and educational system so we will be accredited.
Improve the schools to be at par with their facilities...
Have a MOA/MOU with them that our graduates be hired as we are following their system..
Kasi if you will not align with them, no matter how many CPD points you will have, you will never be hired.

BTW, bakit naghire sila ng teachers from us if our educational quality is poor?
Kailangan ba nila na may CPD ang teachers bago i-hire?

Masters naman yung sample mo DR..
Hindi na yan basic..
Syempre, dun ka mag masteral kung saan merong facilities which will fit your need..
So mga ganyang equipment or machines tinuturo during seminars na may CPD or hindi?

If CPD is to make our professionals at par with foreign nationals para ma hire sa ibang bansa, ilang percent ng professionals ang mag-aabroad?
Hindi nga siguro aabot ng 10%..
You burden the remaining 90% for the sake of 10%?
If you want to go abroad, earn CPD points if that's the requirement..
Don't make it mandatory..
Pera pera lang talaga...

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 Post subject: Re: Let's talk about CPD
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JABEZJ wrote:
Romy Nabas wrote:
agree ako kay donya roberta na i-amend lang at wag i-abolish
one of the areas na tinitingnan na competency among professionals yung cpd units earned

ang sistema kasi, all encompassing ang batas on to earn cpd points
yung number of years in practice mo eh parang balewala lang
say, an engineer who is in practice of profession for 30 years na mag eexpire na ang lisensya will need the same cpd points ng engineer na 1st time magrerenew ng lisensya

baka yung years of experience, ma consider din para mabigyan ng points


Is earning CPD points the only way to make our professionals competent?


Hinde ako Agree dyan , there is other way ,

kaya e abolish na ang CPD na yan.

Let the University take care of it

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^ Inventions? I think the answer lies in school laboratories... We don't have good facilities... much more in public schools..



dapat talaga e upgrade, we have a theory but lacking in experience .

gumawa na lang sila nang law sa mga industrial company/hospital and other establishment na mag hire nang newly graduate or mag participate nang on the job training sa mga graduate.

at gawing mandatory at pwede e subsidize nang government ang training nang mga nurse sa mga government hospital para tayo maging competitive sa ibang country ..etc

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Improve ang education system at scrap na yang CPD. Pabigat lang yan.

Sa world ranking ang UP na pinakamataas sa Pinas eh nasa 384th ang pwesto. :shock:

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