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SHOULD THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BE TAXED?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:13 pm 
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Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God'

Very clear, nagbigay na ako sa gobyerno, bakit mo pa babawasan ang ibibigay ko sa church? is it fair? :)

wala naman babawasin sa binigay na donations, intact lahat yan

since not-for-profit ang mga "churches" na yan, allegedly, lahat naman yang income nila from donations etc ginagamit for charity, upkeep and maintenance of church establishments and activities, allowances of church staff, living expenses of the pastor or priest et al....yung matitirang unspent income , if there are any, should be subjected to income taxation just like EVERY OTHER BUSINESS ORGANIZATION that is being taxed currently by this govt....


Malabong basehan sa taxation yan bro. Pwede pa siguro if their excess donations were diverted to business or investments that resulting to earn an income. and the income of that investment can be subjected to taxation but not the donations. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:25 pm 
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donations, when they are received by any "church", actually become assets of that organization.....according to most "churches", they are only instruments of the donors, in the sense that they fully give to the needy or to charity cases, whatever donations they receive....paano kung may leftovers sa donations, in one year for example? it will earn interest in the bank.....and you can't say, it is being earmarked "for future" charity activities, because these "churches" always ask for donations every time.......kailan ba hindi nanghingi ang mga yan ng donations whenever they have charity activities?

ok lang if completely washed out ang "church" every year, e kung naga-accumulate na nga ng wealth, just because it came from donations, e pababayaan na lang? double whammy na nga e, donations galing, tapos hindi naman pinamigay or ginamit sa church activities lahat for one year, as an example, tapos itatago pa from income taxation, so una, the "church" did not live up to the implicit agreement it had with its donor, by not giving away all of its received donations, ergo, amassing wealth, then, pangalawa, it does not want to be a good citizen of the government, by hiding under the blanket of "church", or religious independence or whatever you want to call it, to avoid paying income taxes.... :shock:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:45 pm 
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donations, when they are received by any "church", actually become assets of that organization.....according to most "churches", they are only instruments of the donors, in the sense that they fully give to the needy or to charity cases, whatever donations they receive....paano kung may leftovers sa donations, in one year for example? it will earn interest in the bank.....and you can't say, it is being earmarked "for future" charity activities, because these "churches" always ask for donations every time.......kailan ba hindi nanghingi ang mga yan ng donations whenever they have charity activities?

ok lang if completely washed out ang "church" every year, e kung naga-accumulate na nga ng wealth, just because it came from donations, e pababayaan na lang? double whammy na nga e, donations galing, tapos hindi naman pinamigay or ginamit sa church activities lahat for one year, as an example, tapos itatago pa from income taxation, so una, the "church" did not live up to the implicit agreement it had with its donor, by not giving away all of its received donations, ergo, amassing wealth, then, pangalawa, it does not want to be a good citizen of the government, by hiding under the blanket of "church", or religious independence or whatever you want to call it, to avoid paying income taxes.... :shock:


That exactly what i'm telling, it is the interest that they are earning can be subjected to tax if they are placing it in the financial institutions for the purpose of earning an income and not the principal amount. Lets say they have an excess donations of 4million and they used it to put up educational institution, whatever the income that will be generated is subject to taxation not the 4million which is the capital. If the church is running a business, then the business that they are operating can be subjected to taxation by passing a new law. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:52 pm 
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pilyo2bay wrote:
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donations, when they are received by any "church", actually become assets of that organization.....according to most "churches", they are only instruments of the donors, in the sense that they fully give to the needy or to charity cases, whatever donations they receive....paano kung may leftovers sa donations, in one year for example? it will earn interest in the bank.....and you can't say, it is being earmarked "for future" charity activities, because these "churches" always ask for donations every time.......kailan ba hindi nanghingi ang mga yan ng donations whenever they have charity activities?

ok lang if completely washed out ang "church" every year, e kung naga-accumulate na nga ng wealth, just because it came from donations, e pababayaan na lang? double whammy na nga e, donations galing, tapos hindi naman pinamigay or ginamit sa church activities lahat for one year, as an example, tapos itatago pa from income taxation, so una, the "church" did not live up to the implicit agreement it had with its donor, by not giving away all of its received donations, ergo, amassing wealth, then, pangalawa, it does not want to be a good citizen of the government, by hiding under the blanket of "church", or religious independence or whatever you want to call it, to avoid paying income taxes.... :shock:


That exactly what i'm telling, it is the interest that they are earning can be subjected to tax if they are placing it in the financial institutions for the purpose of earning an income and not the principal amount. Lets say they have an excess donations of 4million and they used it to put up educational institution, whatever the income that will be generated is subject to taxation not the 4million which is the capital. If the church is running a business, then the business that they are operating can be subjected to taxation by passing a new law. :)



yan naman ang punto nung posts earlier brad

but, yung isang importanteng detalye, is that the "church" itself should be subjected to the same income taxation......yung donations that they receive, and do not spend for a year, how should one classufy that? that is income...should be subjected to taxation...otherwise, we are letting the "church" amass wealth, which if I am not mistaken, mismong si Jesus against diyan na sinabi niya sa kanyang mga disciples...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:04 pm 
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Hindi ako agree dyan if the church itself, Unless they will use it for business, Yong mga donations kung gagamitin lang sa mga church operations at kung may excess ay reservations for contingencies like charities, donations for calamity victims, church building improvements. vehicles for church activities ay hindi na dapat sisilipin para i tax lang dahil kusang loob ibinigay ng mga members yan. :)
Sa totoo lang maraming expenses ang church, nandyan ang seminaryo, yong mga ibang simbahan na mahina ang donations ay tinutulungan, yong malalakas ang donasyons ay tumutulong sa mga mahihina lalo yong mga nasa liblib o kaya mahirap na bayan. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:56 pm 
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JABEZJ wrote:
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During my time, Ateneo's tuition is at 300 pesos per unit...
Say meron kang 30 units per sem, that's 9000...
For easy computation, let's say 10k per sem...
Multiply that to 5000 students...

That's 50 million per sem (5 months)...

Let's say operating expenses for the sem is 20 million, meron ka pang 30 million na natira...
Rough computation yan for tuition only...wala pang misc expenses...

Hindi dapat i-tax yan...
Church business yan at napupunta sa charity... :shock:

Atenista ka pala brad, susyal ka talaga :)

brad honest question, pag nag-charity drive ba ang mga church organizations na yan ginagamit na nila yung sobra sa expenses nila, in short yung income na ba ang ginagamit nila o nanghihingi pa rin sila sa mga believers nila?

tapos pag natapos na yung charity activity, pag may sumobra na pondo from donations, paano yun isosoli ba nila yun sa mga nagbigay dahil nagbigay nga for the purpose of that particular charity activity lang diba, o itatago na nila, yan ata yung ayaw nga ipa-tax ng iba dito sa atin tama ba? :shock: hmm


Nagtitinda lang ng mani sa Ateneo brad... :lol:

Charitable works (in Philippine setting) will not be taken from the income.
It will be taken from donations..bihira kung meron man na galing sa income kukunin ang budget...

BTW, update lang...nasa around 100k na per sem ang Ateneo these days...
Multiply that to say 10k students, that's 1B pesos... :shock:

Let's sa operating expenses is around 300M per sem, meron kang savings na 700M.. :shock:
That's easily 1.4B income in a year...

Pero hindi taxable yan kasi church related enterprise...

Ateneo pa lang ang computation, hindi pa kasama ang other religion-sponsored "non-profit" schools..
Across the country, hindi siguro bababa sa 1000 schools ang church sponsored which is tax free... :shock:
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pahambol pa to, pautang nga brad konti lang mga P2M bwahahaha :lol:



nakakalula naman ang pagiging tax-exempt ng mga church-related enterprises na yan tsk


pero dahil na din sa pagkukubli sa salitang "church", parang karamihan sa tao, wala lang, they don't actually care that these entities are taking advantage of a very big loophole in our society.......

hmm teka....nung nagumpisa si Jesus ng kanyang "teachings" at age 30, nag-amass ba siya ng wealth? ano ba sabi niya dun kay Peter, sa mga disciples niya? mag amass ba ng pera para mapakalat ang salita niya, para makatulong magligtas ng kaluluwa o wala naman ganun? sino ba ang nakafocus sa wealth na religious figures nung time ni Jesus? mga Pariseo ba yun tawag dun?......yan din ba ang mga nagpapako sa krus kay Kristo? :shock:


Sorry brad, hindi kita mapapahiram ngayon..
Malaki kasi gastos ko sa strawberry farm...

If people will just look at how these religious schools earn money, people will really realize the need for taxation..
My computation above is just a conservative computation..

Tapos yearly hihingi ng tuition fee increase? :shock:

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I have a friend na member ng Winner Church...
Maliit lang ang local nila but they can collect as much as 50k per church service... :shock:

Consider may around 1000 locals ang Winner Church, ilang million ang collection nila weekly?

No wonder they can buy a parcel of land in Utah... :shock:


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Mukhanng malaki Kita mo diyan sa farm mo jabez, taasan natin tax mo!
Kung halos break even lang exempted ka muna!

In essence ganyan na ganyan ang argumento niyo. This church is collecting too much, they are doing very well. Kasalanan pa ngayon maging generous giver. Let us tax them.
Or this school have a lot of enrollees and earning so much, let us tax them. Kasalanan maging successful.

Gusto yata ng mga to na yong mga churches ay naghihirap lagi. Pagka nakaluwang- Taxan agad!

Nakalimutan na nila, na walang fund na kinukuha ang ateneo from the tax payers money. Hindi kagaya ng UP!
Ang laki ng ambag ng Ateneo sa pagpapaunlad ng Pinas. Buti na lang me mga dekalidad na Catholic Universities sa Pinas!

Hindi ko alam kung kumikita ba talaga ang Ateneo, at papano nila igagasto yon. Pakialam ko doon. Good for them! They deserve it!

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Ano nga pala ang tawag doon sa Pinoy mentality na pagka umaangat ang isa, hinihila pababa?

Nakalimutan ko na pangalan. Pero Mga bottom feeders yong mga yon.

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Ano nga pala ang tawag doon sa Pinoy mentality na pagka umaangat ang isa, hinihila pababa?

Nakalimutan ko na pangalan. Pero Mga bottom feeders yong mga yon.

---- Mentality tawag doon. Fiil in the blanks. :lol: :lol:

Langya adme, bottom feeders talaga? :shock:

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I think ang dapat i tax sa churches is yung perang kinita nila sa ininvest nila at kumita sila dun. For example nag invest sila 100M, tapos kumita yun ng 50M kailangan ma tax yun. Dont know anong ginagawa dyan ngayon.

Ang nasisita kasi sa catholic church is hindi naman daw lahat gumagawa din ng charity work. Like pag may bagyo, nagpapakain ba sila. Or yung mga nasunugan ba nagdodonate ba sila.


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Admerald wrote:
Mukhanng malaki Kita mo diyan sa farm mo jabez, taasan natin tax mo!
Kung halos break even lang exempted ka muna!

In essence ganyan na ganyan ang argumento niyo. This church is collecting too much, they are doing very well. Kasalanan pa ngayon maging generous giver. Let us tax them.
Or this school have a lot of enrollees and earning so much, let us tax them. Kasalanan maging successful.

Gusto yata ng mga to na yong mga churches ay naghihirap lagi. Pagka nakaluwang- Taxan agad!

Nakalimutan na nila, na walang fund na kinukuha ang ateneo from the tax payers money. Hindi kagaya ng UP!
Ang laki ng ambag ng Ateneo sa pagpapaunlad ng Pinas. Buti na lang me mga dekalidad na Catholic Universities sa Pinas!

Hindi ko alam kung kumikita ba talaga ang Ateneo, at papano nila igagasto yon. Pakialam ko doon. Good for them! They deserve it!


Who told you adme that its a sin to be a generous giver?

With your line of thinking, wala namang binibigay na tax payers money ang gobyerno sa akin..
Yet I am being taxed...and I pay for it faithfully.
I am not earning billions unlike Ateneo...
So anong difference namin?

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KaPUSA wrote:
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I have a friend na member ng Winner Church...
Maliit lang ang local nila but they can collect as much as 50k per church service... :shock:

Consider may around 1000 locals ang Winner Church, ilang million ang collection nila weekly?

No wonder they can buy a parcel of land in Utah... :shock:


Panalo talaga!


Mang kapusa, you get my point? You're a genius...

All collections of each local will be funneled to the national treasury to be spent by the national leadership at their discretion..
Easily, that's around 15-20M a week minimum...

That makes Winner a winner...
No wonder nag-aaway ang mga Winner who is the real Winner...

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Manay, what % ang gusto mong tax sa church?
Agree ako ...dapat lang!

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Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

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