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The apology of the accused Magdalo officers was a collective decision. Ergo, Trillanes was part of it. Kahit na elementary pupil maiintindihan naman yun.

Here's the excerpt of that article quoted by Wardag:

Collective decision

"I just find it very ironic that we have these officers, full of integrity, in jail while the corrupt even get appointed to GOCCs (government-owned or -controlled corporations)," he said.

Were the Magdalo leaders really sincere about their apologies? How do you explain the distraught, if not angry, look in Trillanes' face as he and the five officers saluted Ms Arroyo after they issued the apology?

Guevara said the facial expression should not be interpreted as a sign of dissension. [b]"He's just like that when he's serious."


The truth was that the apology was a "collective decision" that he and the Magdalo leaders had been discussing in the last two or three months, the lawyer said.


Homobono Adaza, a co-counsel for the mutineers, had fumed at the soldiers' decision to apologize, saying he had been kept in the dark when they decided to make a "360-degree turn."

Guevara said the apology question frequently popped up in "hypothetical [and] academic discussions" with the Magdalo leaders. But he claimed he did not know that Trillanes and the others would really push through with it.

Hernandez, presidential adviser for the implementation of the Feliciano Commission's recommendations, said she found the apology sincere.

"Personally, I don't think there was a deal," said the professor, who maintains an office in Malacañang to oversee the implementation of the panel's recommendations. The commission had opposed amnesty for the mutineers.

Hernandez asked politicians and Magdalo lawyers to stay out of the amnesty issue.

"The President has said so, she's accepting the apology but the case would continue," she told the Inquirer. "People should take this cue and see (the issue) holistically. The problem is politicians are jumping the gun again!"
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The apology is worthless. It doesn't mean anything. Does it mean that GMA did nothing wrong? Does it mean that the Garci tapes does not exist? Does it mean that GMA did not cheat in the 2004 election or the last senatorial election? Does it mean that GMA does not bribe Generals, congressmen and others to ensure her survival? The answer is no to all. The means may have been wrong but the grievances and the purpose of the mutiny are justified. Ms. Monsod may prefer to be silent and maintain the satus quo but there are those who prefer to work so that something better may come out. Ms. Monsod displays the same apathy that made the likes of Marcos succeed. At least, these soldiers showed some balls when some of their officers are ******* Gloria's ***.

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wardag wrote:
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I think Trillanes didnt apologize to PGMA contrary to what you have quoted from the Inquirer.
i think we need to update and correct our wrong information.


i seconded this one...

Trillanes and Faeldon didn't apologize to tita glow :D


...that's the reason why 11 million plus real filipino voters elected him a seat in the senate...11 million people believed in his idealism and principles and 11 million voter's slapped the face of the current administration and AFP leadership lead by Esperon :)


This the craziest idea regarding this topic: 11 million Filipinos voted for Sen Trillanes because he didn't apologize to GMA :biglaugh:

And by the way they did not elect him a seat.:banghead:

Check your facts brother, :banghead: Sen Trillanes and Cpt Faeldon apologized and that was on Sept 24, 2004.


It was Army Cpt G. Gambala who read the statement of apology in 2004. It doesnt follow that Trillanes and Faeldon had apologized to PGMA. The statement of apology read by Gambala was part of the legal process. It was not a statement of the Magdalo leaders who were repenting, regretting and apologizing to PGMA of what they did in the Oakwood, Makati. You must read this link:
Trillanes said they do not regret going to Oakwood even as he said their detention “brought us back to earth."

'It gave us the opportunity to be close to god and our families, to be more spiritual. We'll have to absorb all these things in a positive light. We will come out as better persons,"he added.

On the decision of some mutineers to enter into plea bargaining, he said that should not be looked into by the media as a compromise to government. He called it as a part of a legal matter and “we are encouraging everybody to do that."

On why he was not entertaining possibility of entering into the plea bargaining, Trillanes said: “My case is more complicated that the others." Trillanes lone case before the court martial is punishable by dishonorable discharge but he had been already deemed resigned when
he filed his candidacy in February. - GMANews.TV

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wardag wrote:
paktol wrote:
bripenet wrote:
I think Trillanes didnt apologize to PGMA contrary to what you have quoted from the Inquirer.
i think we need to update and correct our wrong information.


i seconded this one...

Trillanes and Faeldon didn't apologize to tita glow :D


...that's the reason why 11 million plus real filipino voters elected him a seat in the senate...11 million people believed in his idealism and principles and 11 million voter's slapped the face of the current administration and AFP leadership lead by Esperon :)


This the craziest idea regarding this topic: 11 million Filipinos voted for Sen Trillanes because he didn't apologize to GMA :biglaugh:

And by the way they did not elect him a seat.:banghead:

Check your facts brother, :banghead: Sen Trillanes and Cpt Faeldon apologized and that was on Sept 24, 2004.




It was Army Cpt. G. Gambala who read the collective statement of apology to PGMA. But that didnt mean that Trillanes and Faeldon were sorry, repenting and regretting for what they had done as leaders of the Oakwood Mutiny in 2003. The statement of apology was part of the legal process.
You must read this link:
Trillanes said they do not regret going to Oakwood even as he said their detention “brought us back to earth."

'It gave us the opportunity to be close to god and our families, to be more spiritual. We'll have to absorb all these things in a positive light. We will come out as better persons,"he added.

On the decision of some mutineers to enter into plea bargaining, he said that should not be looked into by the media as a compromise to government. He called it as a part of a legal matter and “we are encouraging everybody to do that."
On why he was not entertaining possibility of entering into the plea bargaining, Trillanes said: “My case is more complicated that the others." Trillanes lone case before the court martial is punishable by dishonorable discharge but he had been already deemed resigned when
he filed his candidacy in February. - GMANews.TV

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bripenet wrote:
wardag wrote:
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i seconded this one...

Trillanes and Faeldon didn't apologize to tita glow :D


...that's the reason why 11 million plus real filipino voters elected him a seat in the senate...11 million people believed in his idealism and principles and 11 million voter's slapped the face of the current administration and AFP leadership lead by Esperon :)


This the craziest idea regarding this topic: 11 million Filipinos voted for Sen Trillanes because he didn't apologize to GMA :biglaugh:

And by the way they did not elect him a seat.:banghead:

Check your facts brother, :banghead: Sen Trillanes and Cpt Faeldon apologized and that was on Sept 24, 2004.




It was Army Cpt. G. Gambala who read the collective statement of apology to PGMA. But that didnt mean that Trillanes and Faeldon were sorry, repenting and regretting for what they had done as leaders of the Oakwood Mutiny in 2003. The statement of apology was part of the legal process.
You must read this link:
Trillanes said they do not regret going to Oakwood even as he said their detention “brought us back to earth."

'It gave us the opportunity to be close to god and our families, to be more spiritual. We'll have to absorb all these things in a positive light. We will come out as better persons,"he added.

On the decision of some mutineers to enter into plea bargaining, he said that should not be looked into by the media as a compromise to government. He called it as a part of a legal matter and “we are encouraging everybody to do that."
On why he was not entertaining possibility of entering into the plea bargaining, Trillanes said: “My case is more complicated that the others." Trillanes lone case before the court martial is punishable by dishonorable discharge but he had been already deemed resigned when
he filed his candidacy in February. - GMANews.TV


You're so naive and your post does not prove anything that Trillanes did not apologize. Gambala did read the apology letter but it doesn't mean he was issuing the apology for himself. That letter of apology that he read is a collective apology and it was read in Malacanang w/ the all accused the Magdalo officers in attendance as shown on TV. As I have said, I saw Trillanes did a snappy salute on the President.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:32 pm 
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for the benefit of all the posters here...please read this :D



Transcript, part 1: Isang Tanong, April 29, 2007 episode

05/03/2007 | 09:24 PM

Ang una pong sasagot sa isang tanong mula sa Fort Bonifacio, si Lieutenant Senior Grade Antonio Trillanes the fourth. Pero bago po yan, aanyayahan ko po muna si Madam Nikki Coseteng at Senador Angara na tumayo at pumasok dito sa ating soundproof na cubicle.

VTR interview: TRILLANES: Ang hindi po alam sa akin ng maraming tao ay hindi po ako palaging seryoso, may lighter side din po ako. Mahilig po akong magluto, ang specialty ko eh caldereta, mechado, adobo.

MIKE: Sa puntong ito, ang mangunguna po sa pagtatanong walang iba kundi ang ating Kapuso na si Jessica Soho. Jessica.

JESSICA: Lieutenant Senior Grade Trillanes, Isang Tanong: Kung kayo po ay mananalo, ano ang babaguhin nyo sa kasalukuyan nating senado?

TRILLANES: Ang babaguhin ko po sa senado kung sakali po na ako ay papalarin ay itong paggawa po ng batas na sistema nila na hindi po nadadaan sa policy research dahil galing po na bilang isang policy analyst by education, ang ginagawa po sa bawat problema ay dapat po na idinadaan sa policy research para po makikita natin ang pinakamagandang solusyon sa bawat problema. That way hindi po, hindi po tayo magkakaron ng mga batas na nailalagay po sa alanganin ang taong bayan.

JESSICA SOHO: Isang Tanong naman po mula kay Arnold Clavio.

ARNOLD: Captain Trillanes, si Senator Gringo Honasan ay nagsorry sa kaniyang pangunguna sa kudeta noong Aquino administration. Ikaw ba’y sa naganap na papel mo no sa Oakwood mutiny sa naging paglabag mo sa batas noon, ikaw ba’y magso-sorry?

TRILLANES: Hindi po

ARNOLD: Bakit po?

TRILLANES: Dahil ah yun pong ginawa po namin nung Oakwood ay isang obligasyon at katungkulan bilang sundalo, bilang Kristyano at bilang Pilipino. Wala pong dapat pagsisihan don at dapat po matuto po tayo lahat dun sa nangyari po na yon. At ah ilang taon po ang naganap, ang lumipas. At makikita po naman natin na wala pa rin hong pagbabago


JESSICA: Maraming salamat kay Lieutenant Senior Grade Antonio Trillanes mula sa Fort Bonifacio, at ganon din sa ating kaibigan na si Arnold Clavio. Ngayon po naman ang tatawagin natin ay ang ating senatorial candidate, Nikki Coseteng

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/40893/Trans ... 07-episode

in front of the television while millions of filipinos watching...Trillanes directly said that he will NEVER apologize to the President...tsk tsk tsk

oh, edi maliwanag na wardag, now if you still have a balls na magpakita dito eh mahiya ka naman! Quit na! :biglaugh:


It's shows you are just so naive and trying hard to save face. That's the result of too much arrogance.

Sen Trillanes et al apologized and millions of filipinos watched (except maybe of you). Now you should've drawn a conclusion on the true personality of Sen Trillanes when he said that he will never say sorry but actually have done it.

The Magdalo said they will implement the NRP and the NRP includes the abolition of the congress and the senate because they consider it as corrupt. Now he joined what he termed as corrupt. During the senate investigation, he said that the Oakwood incident was a spontaneous incident. Spontaneous my azz, go tell that to the Marines. Now their legal defenses are in jeopardy because they have to defend that lie.

And by the way, it's better if you post your original opinions and analysis regarding the matter rather than copy pasting opinions from news articles. That way we can have a "true" debate.

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The apology is worthless. It doesn't mean anything. Does it mean that GMA did nothing wrong? Does it mean that the Garci tapes does not exist? Does it mean that GMA did not cheat in the 2004 election or the last senatorial election? Does it mean that GMA does not bribe Generals, congressmen and others to ensure her survival? The answer is no to all. The means may have been wrong but the grievances and the purpose of the mutiny are justified. Ms. Monsod may prefer to be silent and maintain the satus quo but there are those who prefer to work so that something better may come out. Ms. Monsod displays the same apathy that made the likes of Marcos succeed. At least, these soldiers showed some balls when some of their officers are ******* Gloria's ***.


So,parang inamin mo na rin na nag-sorry talaga si Trillanes sa Pangulo!
Regardless kung ano talaga ang nasa isip ni Trillanes sa oras na yon basta ang katotohanan ay nandun siya sa malacanang ng basahin ng kasamahan nya ang kanilang statement of apology.

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gudz511 wrote:
The apology is worthless. It doesn't mean anything. Does it mean that GMA did nothing wrong? Does it mean that the Garci tapes does not exist? Does it mean that GMA did not cheat in the 2004 election or the last senatorial election? Does it mean that GMA does not bribe Generals, congressmen and others to ensure her survival? The answer is no to all. The means may have been wrong but the grievances and the purpose of the mutiny are justified. Ms. Monsod may prefer to be silent and maintain the satus quo but there are those who prefer to work so that something better may come out. Ms. Monsod displays the same apathy that made the likes of Marcos succeed. At least, these soldiers showed some balls when some of their officers are ******* Gloria's ***.


The answer to your questions are all Yes. Those questions are in the first place speculative and have no basis to stand on. Enough said!

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bripenet wrote:
wardag wrote:
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i seconded this one...

Trillanes and Faeldon didn't apologize to tita glow :D


...that's the reason why 11 million plus real filipino voters elected him a seat in the senate...11 million people believed in his idealism and principles and 11 million voter's slapped the face of the current administration and AFP leadership lead by Esperon :)


This the craziest idea regarding this topic: 11 million Filipinos voted for Sen Trillanes because he didn't apologize to GMA :biglaugh:

And by the way they did not elect him a seat.:banghead:

Check your facts brother, :banghead: Sen Trillanes and Cpt Faeldon apologized and that was on Sept 24, 2004.


It was Army Cpt G. Gambala who read the statement of apology in 2004. It doesnt follow that Trillanes and Faeldon had apologized to PGMA. The statement of apology read by Gambala was part of the legal process. It was not a statement of the Magdalo leaders who were repenting, regretting and apologizing to PGMA of what they did in the Oakwood, Makati. You must read this link:
Trillanes said they do not regret going to Oakwood even as he said their detention “brought us back to earth."

'It gave us the opportunity to be close to god and our families, to be more spiritual. We'll have to absorb all these things in a positive light. We will come out as better persons,"he added.

On the decision of some mutineers to enter into plea bargaining, he said that should not be looked into by the media as a compromise to government. He called it as a part of a legal matter and “we are encouraging everybody to do that."

On why he was not entertaining possibility of entering into the plea bargaining, Trillanes said: “My case is more complicated that the others." Trillanes lone case before the court martial is punishable by dishonorable discharge but he had been already deemed resigned when
he filed his candidacy in February. - GMANews.TV



Ang taong may paninindigan hindi nila gagawin ang labag sa kanilang kalooban,kung ginawa nila yon para mapagaan ang kanilang kaso,then parang inamin na rin nila ang kanilang kasalanan.

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It was Army Cpt G. Gambala who read the statement of apology in 2004. It doesnt follow that Trillanes and Faeldon had apologized to PGMA. The statement of apology read by Gambala was part of the legal process. It was not a statement of the Magdalo leaders who were repenting, regretting and apologizing to PGMA of what they did in the Oakwood, Makati. You must read this link:
Trillanes said they do not regret going to Oakwood even as he said their detention “brought us back to earth."

'It gave us the opportunity to be close to god and our families, to be more spiritual. We'll have to absorb all these things in a positive light. We will come out as better persons,"he added.

On the decision of some mutineers to enter into plea bargaining, he said that should not be looked into by the media as a compromise to government. He called it as a part of a legal matter and “we are encouraging everybody to do that."

On why he was not entertaining possibility of entering into the plea bargaining, Trillanes said: “My case is more complicated that the others." Trillanes lone case before the court martial is punishable by dishonorable discharge but he had been already deemed resigned when
he filed his candidacy in February. - GMANews.TV



Ang taong may paninindigan hindi nila gagawin ang labag sa kanilang kalooban,kung ginawa nila yon para mapagaan ang kanilang kaso,then parang inamin na rin nila ang kanilang kasalanan.


Ang pagkakaiba kasi ng mga nakipagplea bargaining at hindi ay ganito:

- kung tutuusin, parang walang plea bargaining na nangyari. Ang plea bargaining kasi ay aamin ka sa kasalanan mo para mapagaan ang sentensiya mo. Subalit sa kaso nila sa Court Martial (ang mga iba ay may mga kaso pa na kudeta sa Civilian Court) na paglabag sa Article of War 96 o kilala bilang Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer and a Gentleman, ay wala nang iba pa na kaparusahan maliban sa Dishonorable Discharge. So kahit nakipagplea bargain sila, ang nakuha pa rin nilang kaparusahan ay Dishonorable Discharge dahil wala naman silang mabargain pa na mas magaan na kaparusahan.

-Kung pag aralan nating mabuti, ang nagyari lang ay ang pag amin sa kasalanan na walang kapalit or bargain. Ang mga umamin ay ang mga tunay na kagalang galang na mga opisyal na sundalo dahil gusto nila na sila ay maparusahan sa kasalanan na nagawa nila kesa makalaya dahil sa technicalities.

- Ang mga di nakipagPlea bargain naman ay gustong "MAKALUSOT" sa kasalanan na alam nila na nagawa nila. Ito ang mga taong sumisigaw na sila'y idealisitic subalit wala namang bayag na umamin sa kanilang kasalanan at pagdurusahan ang anumang kaparusahan na naayon sa batas. Officer and Gentlemen pa namn silang naturingan. :(

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So that means sa plea bargaining agreement eh pinakamababang kaparusahan na iyong dismissal from service... kung gayon e di panghimagas na lang iyong kaparusahan nila sa bilangguan lalo na sa case ni sen. elect Trillanes na considered resigned na from military service for filling and eventually winning a gov't seat? :( ... ganun ba ang kalalabasan niyan?

Hindi talaga maaalis ang paggamit ng psywar dito? perception ng nakakarami ang mas importante sa ganitong labanan na no one wants a life to be lost in a "negotiable" cause. 8)


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So that means sa plea bargaining agreement eh pinakamababang kaparusahan na iyong dismissal from service... kung gayon e di panghimagas na lang iyong kaparusahan nila sa bilangguan lalo na sa case ni sen. elect Trillanes na considered resigned na from military service for filling and eventually winning a gov't seat? :( ... ganun ba ang kalalabasan niyan?

Hindi talaga maaalis ang paggamit ng psywar dito? perception ng nakakarami ang mas importante sa ganitong labanan na no one wants a life to be lost in a "negotiable" cause. 8)


Hindi po ganon ang kalalabasan kasi maliban sa kaso nila sa korte ng Militar ay may kaso sila sa Civilian na korte. Nakipagplea bargaining lang sila sa kaso nila sa korte ng militar. Kaya sila nakakulong magpahanggang ngayon kasi may kaso pa sila na "kudeta" sa civilian na korte at ito ay may kaparusahan na reclusion perpetua o 40 taong pagkabilanggo kung sila'y mapatunayang guilty sa kanilang kaso.

Kasalukuyang dinidinig sa korte ang kaso nila at sila'ynaninindigan na wala daw kudeta na nangyari at ang ginawa lang daw nila ay pagbititiw ng supporta sa Commander-in-chief o pangulo.

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Whart is naive is that an assumption that a collective statement of apology is the same as Trillanes individual apology. The collective statement of apology is an an apology of the group of Magdalo, but not a personal apology of Trillanes. So whatever has transpired during which Captain Gambala read the statement of apology, where Trillanes was present and saluted the commander-in-chief, is not the expression of Trillanes personal conviction and principle. The collective statement of apology was part of the legal process for the group, it was done as a concensus of the majority of the group. It is not therefore a personal apology, personal conviction of Trillanes.

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The apology is worthless. It doesn't mean anything. Does it mean that GMA did nothing wrong? Does it mean that the Garci tapes does not exist? Does it mean that GMA did not cheat in the 2004 election or the last senatorial election? Does it mean that GMA does not bribe Generals, congressmen and others to ensure her survival? The answer is no to all. The means may have been wrong but the grievances and the purpose of the mutiny are justified. Ms. Monsod may prefer to be silent and maintain the satus quo but there are those who prefer to work so that something better may come out. Ms. Monsod displays the same apathy that made the likes of Marcos succeed. At least, these soldiers showed some balls when some of their officers are ******* Gloria's ***.


So,parang inamin mo na rin na nag-sorry talaga si Trillanes sa Pangulo!
Regardless kung ano talaga ang nasa isip ni Trillanes sa oras na yon basta ang katotohanan ay nandun siya sa malacanang ng basahin ng kasamahan nya ang kanilang statement of apology.


I am of the opinion that it was a collective apology from the Magdalo group. It doesn't however mean that they have abandon their beliefs and ideals. It is more of a military retreat where they chose survival so they can fight another day. They tried to get some concessions from GMA by apologizing but it didn't work because they're cases were not dropped.
The thread title is misleading. Trillanes does not matter. You cannot trivialize what they fought for by saying that they apologized to GMA thereby admitting they were wrong and Gloria was right. Gloria was never right. The grievances were legitimate and ,by Trillanes winning in the senatorial elections, their mission was accomplished.

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