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 Post subject: Re: The Trillanes myth
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:38 pm 
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Whart is naive is that an assumption that a collective statement of apology is the same as Trillanes individual apology. The collective statement of apology is an an apology of the group of Magdalo, but not a personal apology of Trillanes. So whatever has transpired during which Captain Gambala read the statement of apology, where Trillanes was present and saluted the commander-in-chief, is not the expression of Trillanes personal conviction and principle. The collective statement of apology was part of the legal process for the group, it was done as a concensus of the majority of the group. It is not therefore a personal apology, personal conviction of Trillanes.


Say that's the case, then Sen Trillanes has no personal conviction and has thrown away his personal principles when he embraced a collective one. A personal conviction is a FIRMLY HELD belief or opinion. An idealistic individual stand for his conviction no matter what and even if he is alone.

By the way, a public apology is beyond the legal process. Actually it's my opinion that the group assumed that the apology is part of the legal process. They committed a blunder that caused an irrepairable damage on their personality, reputation and even their legal defenses. The prosecution even used the apology in court as proof to the culpability of the group. The most you can achieve from an apology is forgiveness from the aggrieved party but civil and criminal liability will still stand and that's what actually happened.

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Whart is naive is that an assumption that a collective statement of apology is the same as Trillanes individual apology. The collective statement of apology is an an apology of the group of Magdalo, but not a personal apology of Trillanes. So whatever has transpired during which Captain Gambala read the statement of apology, where Trillanes was present and saluted the commander-in-chief, is not the expression of Trillanes personal conviction and principle. The collective statement of apology was part of the legal process for the group, it was done as a concensus of the majority of the group. It is not therefore a personal apology, personal conviction of Trillanes.


Ang gulo mo. Collective nga e. Ibig sabihin kasama siya doon. E di sana hindi na siya sumama kung may sarili siyang principio. Napaka-elementary naman niyan, bro.

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The apology is worthless. It doesn't mean anything. Does it mean that GMA did nothing wrong? Does it mean that the Garci tapes does not exist? Does it mean that GMA did not cheat in the 2004 election or the last senatorial election? Does it mean that GMA does not bribe Generals, congressmen and others to ensure her survival? The answer is no to all. The means may have been wrong but the grievances and the purpose of the mutiny are justified. Ms. Monsod may prefer to be silent and maintain the satus quo but there are those who prefer to work so that something better may come out. Ms. Monsod displays the same apathy that made the likes of Marcos succeed. At least, these soldiers showed some balls when some of their officers are ******* Gloria's ***.


So,parang inamin mo na rin na nag-sorry talaga si Trillanes sa Pangulo!
Regardless kung ano talaga ang nasa isip ni Trillanes sa oras na yon basta ang katotohanan ay nandun siya sa malacanang ng basahin ng kasamahan nya ang kanilang statement of apology.


I am of the opinion that it was a collective apology from the Magdalo group. It doesn't however mean that they have abandon their beliefs and ideals. It is more of a military retreat where they chose survival so they can fight another day. They tried to get some concessions from GMA by apologizing but it didn't work because they're cases were not dropped.
The thread title is misleading. Trillanes does not matter. You cannot trivialize what they fought for by saying that they apologized to GMA thereby admitting they were wrong and Gloria was right. Gloria was never right. The grievances were legitimate and ,by Trillanes winning in the senatorial elections, their mission was accomplished.


Not all but some of the grievances were legitimate.

The Oplan Greenbase was a creation of a distorted mind; As if saying that terrorism was considered and eventually became a National Gov't policy. This distorted mind continued and that's what we got when a supposedly "STATEMAN" immediately blamed the military and the gov't for the Gloritta Blast and come to think of it just a couple of hours after the blast.

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Mullato wrote:

Ang gulo mo. Collective nga e. Ibig sabihin kasama siya doon. E di sana hindi na siya sumama kung may sarili siyang principio. Napaka-elementary naman niyan, bro.


makasabat na nga :D

Since trillanes was in malacanang and the decision was collective. eh di lumalabas na nag apologize nga sya. pero....


nag apologize ba si trillanes mismo ke gma? eh di hindi :D


angulo noh? depende kasi yan sa gusto mo paniwalaan eh.

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Regardless if they (the Magdalo group) were tricked to say their apology, "their" statement killed any chance of "them" not to be convicted. Sincere or not were their apologies, it is immaterial. They apologized, and now they have to face the consequences from it. I believe no amount of denial can take away the fact that "they" apologized.

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Mullato wrote:
bripenet wrote:
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Whart is naive is that an assumption that a collective statement of apology is the same as Trillanes individual apology. The collective statement of apology is an an apology of the group of Magdalo, but not a personal apology of Trillanes. So whatever has transpired during which Captain Gambala read the statement of apology, where Trillanes was present and saluted the commander-in-chief, is not the expression of Trillanes personal conviction and principle. The collective statement of apology was part of the legal process for the group, it was done as a concensus of the majority of the group. It is not therefore a personal apology, personal conviction of Trillanes.


Ang gulo mo. Collective nga e. Ibig sabihin kasama siya doon. E di sana hindi na siya sumama kung may sarili siyang principio. Napaka-elementary naman niyan, bro.



Mr. Mullato,
hindi ko alam kung magulo ang sinabi ko...or ayaw mong intindihin or hindi mo nakikita yung point. ulitin ko nalang po: cguro ang ginawa ng mga magdalo ay nagbutohan kung mag-apologize sila o hindi. so ang naging consensus ay mag-apologize sila. pero hindi ibig sabihin na bumoto sa "mag-apologize sila" si trillanes. ibig sabihin, yung ginawang statement of apology na binasa ni cpt. gambala ay hindi nangangahulugan na yun ang conviction ni Trillanes. parang "yes" or "no". ang "yes" ang nanalo at ang "no" ay natalo sa botohan kung saan sa "no" bomoto si Trillanes. so hindi talaga nag-apologize si Trillanes kay PGMA kahit present siya doon noon. In other words: the "group is not Trillanes and vice versa".

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bripenet wrote:
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bripenet wrote:
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Whart is naive is that an assumption that a collective statement of apology is the same as Trillanes individual apology. The collective statement of apology is an an apology of the group of Magdalo, but not a personal apology of Trillanes. So whatever has transpired during which Captain Gambala read the statement of apology, where Trillanes was present and saluted the commander-in-chief, is not the expression of Trillanes personal conviction and principle. The collective statement of apology was part of the legal process for the group, it was done as a concensus of the majority of the group. It is not therefore a personal apology, personal conviction of Trillanes.


Ang gulo mo. Collective nga e. Ibig sabihin kasama siya doon. E di sana hindi na siya sumama kung may sarili siyang principio. Napaka-elementary naman niyan, bro.



Mr. Mullato,
hindi ko alam kung magulo ang sinabi ko...or ayaw mong intindihin or hindi mo nakikita yung point. ulitin ko nalang po: cguro ang ginawa ng mga magdalo ay nagbutohan kung mag-apologize sila o hindi. so ang naging consensus ay mag-apologize sila. pero hindi ibig sabihin na bumoto sa "mag-apologize sila" si trillanes. ibig sabihin, yung ginawang statement of apology na binasa ni cpt. gambala ay hindi nangangahulugan na yun ang conviction ni Trillanes. parang "yes" or "no". ang "yes" ang nanalo at ang "no" ay natalo sa botohan kung saan sa "no" bomoto si Trillanes. so hindi talaga nag-apologize si Trillanes kay PGMA kahit present siya doon noon. In other words: the "group is not Trillanes and vice versa".


actually nagkaroon ng consensus among the leaders of magdalo at nagbotohan sila at yun na nga nanalo ang majority with both Trillanes and Faeldon leaving no choice but to join the group... ang kaso eh Gambala and Maestrecampo not only apologized but also turned state witness against Magdalo kita mo kung paano nag-traydor ang mga loko :lol:

Sen. Trillanes and Faeldon did not enter into the Plea bargaining agreement after that.

i think only few still remember that after that apology of Gambala and Maestrecampo, Sen. Trillanes issued a statement thru an emissary that he is not apologizing to the president...



kaya nga hinahanapan ko itong si wardag ng article na nag-apologize directly si Sen. Trillanes at Faeldon kay GMA....eh hanggang ngayon putak lang ng putak walang maipakita :biglaugh:

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To Mr. Mullato,

basahin mo ito:

Trillanes, rebel officers walk out of court, march in Makati


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Close this MANILA, Philippines -- (UPDATE) Detained Senator Antonio Trillanes IV and other officers accused of leading the July 2003 rebellion walked out of their trial Thursday and marched through the streets of Makati calling for the ouster of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

The walkout began shortly after the trial resumed after a brief recess. Brigadier General Danilo Lim, who himself is detained and facing coup d’etat charges following an alleged failed coup attempt in February 2006, was pulled away by several soldiers from the witness stand.

Trillanes and Lim said they were calling on the Filipinos to withdraw support from the government because the President has corrupted its institutions.


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Mullato wrote:
bripenet wrote:
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Whart is naive is that an assumption that a collective statement of apology is the same as Trillanes individual apology. The collective statement of apology is an an apology of the group of Magdalo, but not a personal apology of Trillanes. So whatever has transpired during which Captain Gambala read the statement of apology, where Trillanes was present and saluted the commander-in-chief, is not the expression of Trillanes personal conviction and principle. The collective statement of apology was part of the legal process for the group, it was done as a concensus of the majority of the group. It is not therefore a personal apology, personal conviction of Trillanes.


Ang gulo mo. Collective nga e. Ibig sabihin kasama siya doon. E di sana hindi na siya sumama kung may sarili siyang principio. Napaka-elementary naman niyan, bro.


hirap talagang umintindi ano bro o ayaw mo lang intindihin dahil against ka kay Senator :biglaugh:

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If Trillanes has no personal conviction and destroyed his principle, why then he is still leading the group of soldiers again right now in Makati after walking out from hearing?

Is that an indication that Trillanes really apologized to PGMA?

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If Trillanes has no personal conviction and destroyed his principle, why then he is still leading the group of soldiers again right now in Makati after walking out from hearing?

Is that an indication that Trillanes really apologized to PGMA?


wardag and mullato where are you???

ahhh so you still have the balls to post despite not showing link(s) that Trillanes has directly apologize to the president?

how can I believe you kung ang bilang ng kasundalohan sa pilipinas eh binawasan mo :biglaugh:


Gen. Angelo Reyes: 113,000 strong AFP soldiers (2001)
Private First Class wardag: 85,000 AFP soldiers scattered in phil. archipelago (nov. 2007)

sino ang dapat paniwalaan?
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Mullato wrote:
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Army Capt. Gerardo Gambala, one of the leaders of the Oakwood mutineers, read a statement of apology in behalf of the other members of Magdalo Group during a press conference held in Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City. The President was beside Gambala when he read his group's statement.

Aside from Gambala, Army Capt. Milo Maestrecampo, Navy Capts. Gary Alejano, Nicanor Faeldon and Navy Lts. SG Antonio Trillanes and James Layug were also present.


bwahahaha :biglaugh:


where's the statement of Sen. Trillanes???
quit now boy! :biglaugh:


Trillanes was in Malacanang when that statement was read. I even saw him saluted snappily the president. Is he disowning the apology statement now? Anong klaseng lalake siya? Babae lang ang nagbabago ng isip. Hahahahaha. Paktol, palusot ka ha?


Playing st*pid naman itong si Mullatits. Basa-basa para di magmukhang tanga.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ano na Totoy Ebs? Lahat ng thread na nagkaroon tayo ng debate tinakbuhan mo ah. Takbo na...Mwahahahaha...

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Mullato wrote:
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Army Capt. Gerardo Gambala, one of the leaders of the Oakwood mutineers, read a statement of apology in behalf of the other members of Magdalo Group during a press conference held in Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City. The President was beside Gambala when he read his group's statement.

Aside from Gambala, Army Capt. Milo Maestrecampo, Navy Capts. Gary Alejano, Nicanor Faeldon and Navy Lts. SG Antonio Trillanes and James Layug were also present.


bwahahaha :biglaugh:


where's the statement of Sen. Trillanes???
quit now boy! :biglaugh:


Trillanes was in Malacanang when that statement was read. I even saw him saluted snappily the president. Is he disowning the apology statement now? Anong klaseng lalake siya? Babae lang ang nagbabago ng isip. Hahahahaha. Paktol, palusot ka ha?



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Ever heard of Psy-war guys? Do you really believe principled and idealistic soldiers would mean it if he says sorry to a known corrupt leader? I would analyze it as a retreat so as to fight another day when the opponent least expect it. That apology is worthless!


That's what you call lame rationalization. Translation for the apes (Bentong/Darkcloud etal): Palusot! :lol: :lol: :lol: Aba e bakit ka ba naman pupunta ng Malacanang at magsasaludo sa presidente kung maprinsipyo kang tao. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Totoy Ebs ano pa ba ang matino sa 'yo. Kung di pa pamali-mali ng English nag ta-typo error ka (talaga lang ha). Tapos heto ka naman pamali-mali ng basa. Aba sino pa maniniwala sa 'yo nyan. Tapos gusto mo kami paniwalain na mayaman ka....Ngek!!!

Mayaman sa katang@han!!! Mwahahahaha...Takbo na.
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paktol wrote:
bripenet wrote:
If Trillanes has no personal conviction and destroyed his principle, why then he is still leading the group of soldiers again right now in Makati after walking out from hearing?

Is that an indication that Trillanes really apologized to PGMA?


wardag and mullato where are you???

ahhh so you still have the balls to post despite not showing link(s) that Trillanes has directly apologize to the president?

how can I believe you kung ang bilang ng kasundalohan sa pilipinas eh binawasan mo :biglaugh:


Gen. Angelo Reyes: 113,000 strong AFP soldiers (2001)
Private First Class wardag: 85,000 AFP soldiers scattered in phil. archipelago (nov. 2007)

sino ang dapat paniwalaan?
:biglaugh:


Magpalusot ka pa, baka sakali paniwalaan ka ng mga paclanders. :lol:

Just be honest with yourself Mr Pakto and you will be at peace. 8)

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paktol wrote:
Army Capt. Gerardo Gambala, one of the leaders of the Oakwood mutineers, read a statement of apology in behalf of the other members of Magdalo Group during a press conference held in Camp Aguinaldo, Quezon City. The President was beside Gambala when he read his group's statement.

Aside from Gambala, Army Capt. Milo Maestrecampo, Navy Capts. Gary Alejano, Nicanor Faeldon and Navy Lts. SG Antonio Trillanes and James Layug were also present.


bwahahaha :biglaugh:


where's the statement of Sen. Trillanes???
quit now boy! :biglaugh:


Trillanes was in Malacanang when that statement was read. I even saw him saluted snappily the president. Is he disowning the apology statement now? Anong klaseng lalake siya? Babae lang ang nagbabago ng isip. Hahahahaha. Paktol, palusot ka ha?


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It was initially at Camp Aguinaldo but was reread by Cpt Gambala at Malacanang.

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