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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:39 am 
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Jesus built his Church

Before his crucifixion Jesus declared to build his Church.

Matthew 16:18…and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

And Jesus did start to build the Church after his resurrection and ascension to heaven from where he sent the Holy Spirit to empower those who will become part of the Church.

Acts 2:1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The first to be so empowered with the Holy Spirit were Jews.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven…
:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
:47…And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

The Church Jesus built is not some structure made of wood or stone or metal. It is not a physical building into which anybody can just enter. The Church is the Body of Christ composed of members, those persons who have been gifted with the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.

The head of this body, the Church, is Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 5:23…Christ is head of the church...


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:08 am 
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“Churches” of God

While the Church of God refers the one Body of Christ composed of many members, a group of members located in certain places is also referred to as a church. Hence, there is a church of God in Corinth, another one in Galatia, another in Thyatira, etc.

1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth…

These groups are referred to collectively as “churches of God”.

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Always, “church” or “churches” refer to people and not to buildings.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:32 am 
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I agree with you Mr. almeda. 8)


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:51 pm 
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
“Churches” of God

While the Church of God refers the one Body of Christ composed of many members, a group of members located in certain places is also referred to as a church. Hence, there is a church of God in Corinth, another one in Galatia, another in Thyatira, etc.

1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth…

These groups are referred to collectively as “churches of God”.

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Always, “church” or “churches” refer to people and not to buildings.


Correct bro. Correct.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:56 pm 
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Doming wrote:
I agree with you Mr. almeda. 8)

genetophile wrote:
bro. Correct.

I'm glad to know we agree up to this point. :D


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Church membership opened to the Gentiles

Membership in the Church of God is by calling and not by a person’s application to become a member of it.

Unless God draws a person to Christ, that person cannot go to Christ.

John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him…

It is not that God is partial to some. Everyone will be called to undergo the process of salvation. It is just not at the same time. Some will be chosen in this age while the rest in the ages to come. Death in the meantime is not a problem since resurrection is assured by Christ’s own conquest of death by his own rising back to life (Romans 5:10).

While a person’s election and to do his part in the salvation process is a great favor and privilege, it is by no means a walk in the park. It is a life of struggle to swim against the tide so to speak. It is a life of overcoming the pulls of this world.

For this reason many of the Jews did not positively respond to God’s call by exercising their freewill to say no. So God opened salvation to and called into his Church the Gentiles.

Romans 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

Acts 11:1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God…
:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.”


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:20 pm 
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Hmnnnnn, bagong pala isipan ito, Mang Epi? I will re-read and discern your post and see if I have some comments. I am not sure, but Mang Adme (Admiral to some) had also discussed this or referred to it by way of explanation, before.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:33 pm 
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Not all who are associated with the Church are in the Church

When God forms a group of his called out ones, Satan does his part by putting people who are still under his spell of deception to mingle with them.

The parable of the wheat and tares illustrates this point.

Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

As the wheat and tares are difficult to distinguish one from the other, so do the real Christians from those who are in name only. Hence, the “churches of God” have persons who are in the church and those who are only with the church. To avoid erroneously putting out those who are in the Church, the elders are not to put anyone out unless a person’s actuation is so obvious to reveal his true identity of being an outsider (1 Corinthians 5). The sifting out will be made at Christ’s return.

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:38 am 
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don robert wrote:
Hmnnnnn, bagong pala isipan ito, Mang Epi? I will re-read and discern your post and see if I have some comments. I am not sure, but Mang Adme (Admiral to some) had also discussed this or referred to it by way of explanation, before.

Comments are welcome don. :)

It is by subjecting a bible student's understanding of a bible teaching to the tests of another's relevant and probing views where he and the other can also grow in knowledge.

Proverbs 27:17...iron sharpens iron.


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Yes, I agree with you Bro.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:49 am 
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Numbers dominate in the churches

The bible records of instances where the “tares” could not stand the “wheat”. And they left the church. But their leaving the church is a welcome development.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

At other instances, the “tares” dominate and expel the “wheat” from the church. Even John experienced being not received in one church he visited.

3 John 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. 10 Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church.

And churches dominated by “tares” exist and even "flourish" to this day.


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die hard!!! wrote:
Yes, I agree with you Bro.

Welcome to PRMO bro. :)


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And this is the reason WHY? we all have lefties ( contradiction to christian beliefs ).

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It is not that God is partial to some. Everyone will be called to undergo the process of salvation. It is just not at the same time. Some will be chosen in this age while the rest in the ages to come. Death in the meantime is not a problem since resurrection is assured by Christ’s own conquest of death by his own rising back to life (Romans 5:10).



The resurrection excite me...just imagine dying but you will live again when time comes.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:36 am 
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Doming wrote:
And this is the reason WHY? we all have lefties ( contradiction to christian beliefs ).

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It is not that God is partial to some. Everyone will be called to undergo the process of salvation. It is just not at the same time. Some will be chosen in this age while the rest in the ages to come. Death in the meantime is not a problem since resurrection is assured by Christ’s own conquest of death by his own rising back to life (Romans 5:10).

The resurrection excite me...just imagine dying but you will live again when time comes.

Resurrection is a side topic but is welcome to be discussed in this thread. :)

Job is waiting in his grave for his change (resurrection) to happen.

Job 14:14 If a man dies, shall he live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait, Till my change comes.

The belief in the resurrection of the dead clashes with the popular teaching that when a man dies, some essence from him they call "soul", which is his being, goes straight to heaven or hell. The resurrection and this teaching are mutually exclusive.


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The “tares” dominated churches claim to preach and do wonders in Jesus' name

Regardless of the proliferation of churches bearing the name of God or Christ or whatever, or teaching doctrines purportedly from the bible and performing miracles in Jesus’ name, their true color is not hidden from Jesus Christ.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Jesus warns to be wary of these “false prophets” and to know them by their works (“fruits”).

Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.


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