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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:25 am 
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
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Amen. I would like to know more about suffering, If anyone can elaborate on this I would appreciate it. Thanks.

I tried to "elaborate" in the other thread on this link:

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Thanks Mr epie. :)


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very enlightening thread, salamat po!

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Doming wrote:
Thanks Mr epie. :)

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very enlightening thread, salamat po!

You're all welcome. :)


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“Where is the Church Jesus built” now in terms of spiritual maturity?

In the face of trials and tests of faith, the spirit indwelt persons struggle to emulate Christ in handling adversities.

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

They study the Word of God to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3:18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

They learn from the attitudes of the seven churches and see for themselves where they stand and listen to Christ’s instruction on how to make up on the deficiencies.

1. the Ephesian attitude is losing the first love

Revelation 2:2 “I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars; 3 and you have persevered and have patience, and have labored for My name’s sake and have not become weary. 4 Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love.

The corrective instruction:

Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works…

2. the Smyrna attitude is that of being persecuted

Revelation 2:9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

The corrective instruction:

Revelation 2:10…Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

3. the Pergamos attitude is that of holding on to the abhorred doctrines and committing forbidden acts.

Revelation 2:13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

The corrective instruction:

Revelation 2:16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.

4. the Thyatira attitude is allowing foreign doctrine to be taught within

Revelation 2:19 “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.

The corrective instruction:

Revelation 2:24 “Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25 But hold fast what you have till I come.

5. the Sardis attitude is likened to that of being dead

Revelation 3:1…“I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

The corrective instruction:

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

6. the lukewarm attitude of Laodiceans

Revelation 3:15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—

The corrective instruction:

Revelation 3:18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

7. the ideal attitude is that of the Philadelphians

Revelation 3:8 “I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

The promise of protection from the coming great tribulation:

Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

The Church members are admonished to periodically examine and test themselves as to whether or not they are still in the faith.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

If you are that member of the one body of Christ, it is best to hear Jesus’ admonition to the seven churches.

Revelation 3:13 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:07 am 
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The question "Where is the Church Jesus Built" will always be an unanswered question, if ever asked, by those of this world.

For one to know where the Church is requires first knowing who Jesus is. But the world in general did not know him when he manifested as a human.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

By not knowing Christ, the world does not know God. But those in Christ's body know God by knowing Christ.

John 17:25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.

By not knowing God, the world does not know those who compose the body of Christ, the Church.

1 John 3:1...Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

Eventually, every one will be drawn by God to Jesus Christ, each to his own order or set schedule. Some in this age, the rest, in the age that follows the age to come.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

Unless a person is called to undergo the process of salvation in this age, he will have no interest in it and would not even ask the question, "Where is the Church Jesus Built?"


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
“Churches” of God

While the Church of God refers the one Body of Christ composed of many members, a group of members located in certain places is also referred to as a church. Hence, there is a church of God in Corinth, another one in Galatia, another in Thyatira, etc.

1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth…

These groups are referred to collectively as “churches of God”.

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Always, “church” or “churches” refer to people and not to buildings.


Kadyot lang Eps, nililibog mo lang ang mga tao sa definition mo.people who worship inside the church are congregant. Church is the building where congregate worships :D


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:50 am 
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Doming wrote:
Nice catholic church....maybe they have enough funding.


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kahit sampayan man lang magbigay ang simbahan sa mga taong nakatira dito.the church should be ashamed living on those castles while people believing them, giving a portion of their meager income are living like rodents. :(


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:57 am 
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Doming wrote:
Old catholic church.....not enough funding to make the church really nice.

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Still, not bad! Below is what happens to many small time donors of the church when they don't have enough funding for themselves. :(

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aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
“Churches” of God

While the Church of God refers to the one Body of Christ composed of many members, a group of members located in certain places is also referred to as a church. Hence, there is a church of God in Corinth, another one in Galatia, another in Thyatira, etc.

1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth…

These groups are referred to collectively as “churches of God”.

1 Corinthians 11:16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Always, “church” or “churches” refer to people and not to buildings.


Kadyot lang Eps, nililibog mo lang ang mga tao sa definition mo.people who worship inside the church are congregant. Church is the building where congregate worships :D

"Truth is stranger than fiction". :)

But I am not the one making the confusion. It is the one who taught the wrong concept of "church". I'm pointing out what the bible refers to when it mentions "church" or body of Christ - people. Those whose idea where "church" refers to a building and who are not familiar with the bible meaning of it would surely get confused.

The Church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

This body of Christ is the church.

Colossians 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

Like the human body, it has a head. The head of the church is not any other man. The head is Christ. Even if Christ now is in heaven, he remains as the Church's head.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

When the bible talks about church, it refers to people whose head is Jesus Christ.

Of course, anyone can have his own definition of church and have a human head. But I adhere to what the bible says.


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But I am not the one making the confusion. It is the one who taught the wrong concept of "church". I'm pointing out what the bible refers to when it mentions "church" or body of Christ - people. Those whose idea where "church" refers to a building and who are not familiar with the bible meaning of it would surely get confused.


that's the downside of the invisible business. People can always make up their own imagination but not what they see.no wonder why believers can't even agree to each other.
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The Church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members.

then why bother build a church. that money could have been well spent on some charitable works. :?
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1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

...and yet as I said before, you all bible believers can't agree that's why there's so many religion all over the world.
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This body of Christ is the church.

So I guess this flashy buildings are all to attract clients. I get it. :D
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Colossians 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,


nowadays,it's the other way around. the church members are catering the comforts of the church leaders. :)
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Like the human body, it has a head. The head of the church is not any other man. The head is Christ. Even if Christ now is in heaven, he remains as the Church's head.

that's odd. CEO taking indefinite leave? :)

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Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body
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this won't sit well anymore among women's rights group. :)
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When the bible talks about church, it refers to people whose head is Jesus Christ.

I guess that's how it was when there's no funding yet. :D" Money changes everything"-Cindy Lauper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azy1F083ubU
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Of course, anyone can have his own definition of church and have a human head. But I adhere to what the bible says.

of course. when it's invisible, anything to say about it is possible. :D


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aljas wrote:
Doming wrote:
Old catholic church.....not enough funding to make the church really nice.

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Still, not bad! Below is what happens to many small time donors of the church when they don't have enough funding for themselves. :(

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That's what happen to the church when around it are poor. Its not the look of the church but the purpose of it.


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aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
But I am not the one making the confusion. It is the one who taught the wrong concept of "church". I'm pointing out what the bible refers to when it mentions "church" or body of Christ - people. Those whose idea where "church" refers to a building and who are not familiar with the bible meaning of it would surely get confused.

that's the downside of the invisible business. People can always make up their own imagination but not what they see.no wonder why believers can't even agree to each other.

Not all of those who say they believe the bible believe the bible. There are also others who received teachings supposedly from the bible but didn't bother to verify whether what they were told were so.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
The Church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members.

then why bother build a church. that money could have been well spent on some charitable works. :?

We're not talking of the same thing.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Epi wrote:1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

...and yet as I said before, you all bible believers can't agree that's why there's so many religion all over the world.

Keep yourself from adding to the number. :)

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
This body of Christ is the church.

So I guess this flashy buildings are all to attract clients. I get it. :D

Keep on guessing. You're still too way off.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Colossians 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

nowadays,it's the other way around. the church members are catering the comforts of the church leaders. :)

You have a basis in your observation with the "churches" you have in your mind.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Like the human body, it has a head. The head of the church is not any other man. The head is Christ. Even if Christ now is in heaven, he remains as the Church's head.

that's odd. CEO taking indefinite leave? :)

The things of the spirit are purposely hidden from you aljs. Spare your effort in trying to look for it.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body
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this won't sit well anymore among women's rights group. :)

The truly bible believing husband and wife adhere to this home government set up. The husband who finds this set up strange has a wife who calls the shots.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
When the bible talks about church, it refers to people whose head is Jesus Christ.

I guess that's how it was when there's no funding yet. :D" Money changes everything"-Cindy Lauper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azy1F083ubU

Those who don't know guess.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Of course, anyone can have his own definition of church and have a human head. But I adhere to what the bible says.

of course. when it's invisible, anything to say about it is possible. :D

You are at liberty as well to have a say.


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aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
The Church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members.

then why bother build a church. that money could have been well spent on some charitable works. :?

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We're not talking of the same thing.

then what is it? you said "the church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members", so why bother build a beilding?

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Epi wrote:1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

...and yet as I said before, you all bible believers can't agree that's why there's so many religion all over the world.

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Keep yourself from adding to the number. :)
I'm not Eps. I'm just saying.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
This body of Christ is the church.

So I guess this flashy buildings are all to attract clients. I get it. :D

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Keep on guessing. You're still too way off.

so what's the purpose of the flashy building?

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Colossians 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

nowadays,it's the other way around. the church members are catering the comforts of the church leaders. :)

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You have a basis in your observation with the "churches" you have in your mind.

I'm telling the way I see it Eps.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Like the human body, it has a head. The head of the church is not any other man. The head is Christ. Even if Christ now is in heaven, he remains as the Church's head.

that's odd. CEO taking indefinite leave? :)

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The things of the spirit are purposely hidden from you aljs. Spare your effort in trying to look for it.

So you say Eps. It's odd the leader is nowhere to be found and members are made to fill the void. :(

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body
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this won't sit well anymore among women's rights group. :)

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The truly bible believing husband and wife adhere to this home government set up. The husband who finds this set up strange has a wife who calls the shots.

you're mindset is as ancient as your book. marriage should be a partnership, not who should be or shouldn't be. both should discuss the shots together. afterall, whatever that shot may be, it's affects the entire family. many years ago, women are held down only to some household chores. we wouldn't have realized their potential as a significant contributor to the society if we're all stuck to the Bible. :) I just wonder Eps, when you're out playing tennis, what's your wife doing?

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
When the bible talks about church, it refers to people whose head is Jesus Christ.

I guess that's how it was when there's no funding yet. :D" Money changes everything"-Cindy Lauper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azy1F083ubU

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Those who don't know guess.

I can only guess for something that happened over 2 thousand years ago especially when most stories involves some magical momnets :D

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Of course, anyone can have his own definition of church and have a human head. But I adhere to what the bible says.

of course. when it's invisible, anything to say about it is possible. :D

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You are at liberty as well to have a say.

So you are Eps. :D


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aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
The Church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members.

then why bother build a church. that money could have been well spent on some charitable works. :?

A valid question for those who have built to answer.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
We're not talking of the same thing.

then what is it? you said "the church of God is likened to a person's body composed of many spirit indwelt members", so why bother build a beilding?

By Church, I refer to people while what you have in mind is a building.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

...and yet as I said before, you all bible believers can't agree that's why there's so many religion all over the world.

Not all who say they are bible believers are bible believers.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Keep yourself from adding to the number. :)
I'm not Eps. I'm just saying.

Good.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
This body of Christ is the church.

So I guess this flashy buildings are all to attract clients. I get it. :D

Still missing the point.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Keep on guessing. You're still too way off.

so what's the purpose of the flashy building?

Ask those who build it.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Colossians 1:24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

nowadays,it's the other way around. the church members are catering the comforts of the church leaders. :)

The verse was quoted to show the bible meaning of "Christ's body".

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
You have a basis in your observation with the "churches" you have in your mind.

I'm telling the way I see it Eps.

I repeat, the "churches" you have in your mind.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
The things of the spirit are purposely hidden from you aljs. Spare your effort in trying to look for it.

So you say Eps. It's odd the leader is nowhere to be found and members are made to fill the void. :(

In my group no man fills in the position of head of the Church which is not vacant.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
The truly bible believing husband and wife adhere to this home government set up. The husband who finds this set up strange has a wife who calls the shots.

you're mindset is as ancient as your book. marriage should be a partnership, not who should be or shouldn't be. both should discuss the shots together. afterall, whatever that shot may be, it's affects the entire family. many years ago, women are held down only to some household chores. we wouldn't have realized their potential as a significant contributor to the society if we're all stuck to the Bible. :) I just wonder Eps, when you're out playing tennis, what's your wife doing?

My wife is my junior partner in our tennis doubles game.

While the husband is head over the wife, he has a great responsibility to love his wife as his own body. And he is accountable to Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 5:21 submitting to one another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.

By appointing the husband as head of the wife in mutual submission for the other's welfare, disputes are settled. A dispute can never be settled if no one's voice would prevail. Far from being "ancient", the Philippine Family Code which became effective in 1988 echoes the leadership of the husband over the wife:

Art. 96. The administration and enjoyment of the community property shall belong to both spouses jointly. In case of disagreement, the husband's decision shall prevail...

When the husband and wife are equal in authority at home, there will be a lot of deadlocks and family growth suffers. Boards of directors and trustees of corporations are odd in numbers to avoid and break ties.

aljas wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Those who don't know guess.

I can only guess for something that happened over 2 thousand years ago especially when most stories involves some magical momnets :D

Still not hitting the target.

The bible is about the past, the present and the future. The future written in the bible is slowly but surely becoming the present and then the past as prophecy unfolds. Citizens and immigrants, like aljas, in the US are unaware of the past, oblivious of the whys of the present, and more so as to what lies ahead of the US. These are all in the bible. Believe it or not. I know it's not. :D


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Not all who say they are bible believers are bible believers.

that's what all religions say to other religions. :D

Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:This body of Christ is the church.
So I guess this flashy buildings are all to attract clients. I get it. :D [/quote]
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Still missing the point.
you wrote the body of christ is the church, so what's the use of the church building other than than to attract clients? Humor me Eps. :D


so what's the purpose of the flashy building?[/quote]
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Ask those who build it.
your religion has no building Eps?


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
I repeat, the "churches" you have in your mind.

I'm just telling you the way it is. I can't make up something I didn't see. :D

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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
In my group no man fills in the position of head of the Church which is not vacant.

so you got OIC in your church Eps? 'coz that's what happens when the CEO goes AWOL. :D


you're mindset is as ancient as your book. marriage should be a partnership, not who should be or shouldn't be. both should discuss the shots together. afterall, whatever that shot may be, it's affects the entire family. many years ago, women are held down only to some household chores. we wouldn't have realized their potential as a significant contributor to the society if we're all stuck to the Bible. :) I just wonder Eps, when you're out playing tennis, what's your wife doing?
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
My wife is my junior partner in our tennis doubles game.

good. that's how it should be. :D
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
While the husband is head over the wife, he has a great responsibility to love his wife as his own body. And he is accountable to Jesus Christ.

why can't it simply be a partnership? why does have the husband have to be over the head of his wife?it's a family, not some corporate company. :D
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Ephesians 5:21 submitting to one another in the fear of God. 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.

this verse only proves it comes from a man like you and me who have peniss. :D
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
By appointing the husband as head of the wife in mutual submission for the other's welfare, disputes are settled.

the only dispute that was settled here was only settled in the husband's mind. family is not about the husband alone or the wife alone but as a one unit who works for the common goal of the group.
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
A dispute can never be settled if no one's voice would prevail.

no. I disoute can never be settled if neither one will meet a common ground.
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Far from being "ancient", the Philippine Family Code which became effective in 1988 echoes the leadership of the husband over the wife:
damn , the content is ancient. :D
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Art. 96. The administration and enjoyment of the community property shall belong to both spouses jointly. In case of disagreement, the husband's decision shall prevail...

giving an individual a social advantage over the other because of sex,race and religion is unfair and unjust.
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When the husband and wife are equal in authority at home, there will be a lot of deadlocks and family growth suffers.
deadlocks when husbands and wives works for their own personal interest rather than working for the common good of the whole family. family growth suffers when family don't unit as one, not becasue of what you said Eps. :D
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Boards of directors and trustees of corporations are odd in numbers to avoid and break ties.

it's funny how you compare family matters to Board of directors and trustees. board of directors and trustees sometimes votes to kick out non performing members. can you imagine a family doing just that? : :shock: D

I can only guess for something that happened over 2 thousand years ago especially when most stories involves some magical momnets :D
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Still not hitting the target.

it's hard to hit and invisible target Eps. ever seen Stevie Wonder in shooting range? :D
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
The bible is about the past, the present and the future.

Only the past Eps. people back then pray to cure ailments and have no means to travel or communicate accross the globe.all the medical and technological advances we enjoy today didn't happen thru prayers. :D
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The future written in the bible is slowly but surely becoming the present and then the past as prophecy unfolds.

yeah right.self fulfilling prophecies. you take out some generic worded verses and slap it on some news that seemed to fit. right, that's a damn good prophecy. :D
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Citizens and immigrants, like aljas, in the US are unaware of the past, oblivious of the whys of the present, and more so as to what lies ahead of the US.

that's a very cocky,arrogant ,judgemental statement and what lies ahead of US Eps? I'm dying to know. :D
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
These are all in the bible. Believe it or not.

keep it there Eps, keep it there. :D


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