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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:27 am 
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The model prayer Jesus taught his disciples includes asking the Father for God's kingdom to come and God's will done on earth.

Luke 11:1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.”
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

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i guess it will be the whole kingdom that will be coming here when he comes back. :cool:

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Because he owns everything. His WILL is powerful than my mother-in-law.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:49 am 
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Christians are to pray "Your kingdom come, Your will be done", not necessarily repeating word for word every time but in substance and in thought when they pray, because God's kingdom has not yet come and God's will is not yet done on earth even in this our time.

The all embracing label of "Acts of God" for calamities written in insurance contracts and the like such as typhoons, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, tsunamis, etc. which cause devastation and great loss of life is erroneous.

When calamities occur, even non God believers join believers in asking the question, "Where is God?"


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:25 am 
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“Joy to the world the Lord is come”

Christmas observers sing and non-observers hear the Christmas carol:

“Joy to the world the Lord is come,
Let earth receive her king.”

Many believe the words in this beautiful song apply to the event when the Word came as flesh in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. Nothing can be farther from the truth.

While Jesus was to be Lord and King of the earth, he was not yet such but a mere servant.

Philippians 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

When he entered Jerusalem in one of the feast days, he rode on a donkey colt instead of a majestic white horse.

John 12:12 The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, 13 took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out:
“ Hosanna!

‘ Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
The King of Israel!”

14 Then Jesus, when He had found a young donkey, sat on it; as it is written:
15 “Fear not, daughter of Zion;
Behold, your King is coming,
Sitting on a donkey’s colt.”

And instead of reigning as Lord and King, Jesus was slain.

John 19:17 And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place called the Place of a Skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha, 18 where they crucified Him, and two others with Him, one on either side, and Jesus in the center. 19 Now Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross. And the writing was:

JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

The next time you sing or hear the song, “Joy to the world the Lord is come, Let earth receive her king”, bear in mind that the words don’t, as it didn’t, apply to Jesus’ coming in the flesh. These words are applicable to his return.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:12 am 
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The kingdom of God is the government of God

Not all of those who pray or sing, “Your kingdom come”, really understand the import of “kingdom” they are uttering.

The Kingdom of God the bible talks about refers to that kingdom or government being set up where Jesus is King, the territory is the earth and people to be governed.

Just like any government on earth at present, the head or ruler of a government has people who implement and administer the programs of government. There is a hierarchy of positions in the governing body.

In a sense, Christianity is the filling up the vacant positions in the still being formed government of God.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:50 am 
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The government positions in the kingdom of God

Not all positions already filled up are shown in the bible. Some of those shown are:

1. The King of kings – Jesus Christ

Revelation 19:16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

2. King over the whole of Israel – David

Long after David’s death and talking about the future of Israel, Jeremiah prophesied that David will rule the free Israel of the future.

Jeremiah 30:8 ‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the LORD of hosts,

‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.

3. Leaders of each of the 12 tribes of Israel reporting to David – the first 12 disciples of Christ

Matthew 19:27 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You. Therefore what shall we have?”
28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The men of faith Hebrews 11 mentions should already have their respective positions determined.

The person undergoing the process of salvation in this age – the Christian - will be ruler over cities the number of which depends on how much ability or competence he has developed through overcoming the series of tests, call it the rigid training program, of the Christian life.

Luke 19:16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:05 am 
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Loyalty assured before assumption of position

After some time spent as big boss on earth, the cherub Lucifer’s loyalty to God was set aside when he coveted God’s position. He wanted to “be like the most high”.

Isaiah 14:13…‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’

God will have none more like the disqualified cherub who got a following of rebels comprising a third of the population of angels.

Loyalty to God of those who will be allowed to assume positions of authority in the government of God shall have been duly tested. The Christian is under constant loyalty check during his training for the reserved position starting from his commission – the receipt of the Holy Spirit – till his death or Christ’s return whichever comes first.

And Satan, the Lucifer of old who still holds office as boss over the kingdoms of this world, wants the trainee to fail. Hence, aside from one’s egoistic self to overcome, the trainee has to likewise be wary and reject Satan’s pleasurable enticements which are all but ways for the trainee to get off tract.

One way to overcome is for the trainee to keep his sight at the light at the end of the tunnel. The passing pleasures Satan offers in this world are nothing to be compared with the reward – the crown of kingship over cities – of serving under Christ in the kingdom of God.

The promised positions for Christians are “kings”, or rulers, over cities and “priests”, or teachers, of the physical people in the millennium that follows this age.

Revelation 5:9…For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

The Christian has the men of faith to also emulate.

When he realized he was not Egyptian, Moses valued highly the future reward more than his high position and privileges in Pharaoh’s domain.

Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.

Paul endured undergoing his very rigid training by looking forward to the crown - that symbol of authority over cities - that he will receive “on that day” from the King of kings at the latter’s return.

2 Timothy 4:8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

The Christian life is not to prepare to play the harp somewhere above the clouds for eternity as pictured and taught by the many.

Christianity is one’s equipping of the needed competence to rule and teach people on earth beginning at Christ’s return. And the Christian’s loyalty shall have been proven by then to be allowed to assume his rightful place in the government or kingdom of God.


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Satan owns the kingdoms in this age

Satan’s hold on mankind which started with Eve in the Garden of Eden continues to this day. Having rejected God’s reign, man unknowingly follows Satan as his king. It was man’s choice to not have God as his king and Satan presently owns the kingdoms of this world.

Knowing Jesus was to someday take over helm, Satan tried to thwart God’s plan by enticing the human Jesus to immediately assume reign over the kingdoms instead of waiting for the future. But Jesus could not be enticed to disobey God.

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”

A Christian is one who has been freed from Satan’s reign. The Christian awaits that moment when the future King of kings hands over to him that symbol of authority of being, himself, a king.

Revelation 2:10…Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.


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The Isaiah 9:6-7 prophecy

Many believe and teach that Christ’ coming in the flesh some 2,000+ years ago fulfilled the Isaiah 9:6-7 prophecy which states:

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,

Of this prophecy, only the portion “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given” has been fulfilled.

This world’s government is not yet upon Jesus’ shoulder. And Jesus is not yet called “Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace”.

There will be a worldwide coverage of the announcement and actual take over by Christ of his office after Satan has been deposed.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

Only by then would the prophecy “And the government will be upon His shoulder” be fulfilled. And this government will expand no end.

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,

Until that time, the Christian is daily emboldened by having always in mind that glorious future as he prays,

“Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.”


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Not all of those who pray or sing, “Your kingdom come”, really understand the import of “kingdom” they are uttering.

that's what happen when people never saw what they're singing about.
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The Kingdom of God the bible talks about refers to that kingdom or government being set up where Jesus is King, the territory is the earth and people to be governed.

thousands of years had passed and we're still governed by some corrupt greedy people. church leaders are no exceptions.
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Just like any government on earth at present, the head or ruler of a government has people who implement and administer the programs of government. There is a hierarchy of positions in the governing body.

Based on what you wrote above,it's funny how the kingdom of God is patterned on any government on Earth.. :D

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In a sense, Christianity is the filling up the vacant positions in the still being formed government of God.


do you have a position Eps? who's telling you whether you got the position or not? you get to know my e-mail,text, phone? just asking. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:19 am 
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aljas wrote:
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Not all of those who pray or sing, “Your kingdom come”, really understand the import of “kingdom” they are uttering.

that's what happen when people never saw what they're singing about.
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The Kingdom of God the bible talks about refers to that kingdom or government being set up where Jesus is King, the territory is the earth and people to be governed.

thousands of years had passed and we're still governed by some corrupt greedy people. church leaders are no exceptions.
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Just like any government on earth at present, the head or ruler of a government has people who implement and administer the programs of government. There is a hierarchy of positions in the governing body.

Based on what you wrote above,it's funny how the kingdom of God is patterned on any government on Earth.. :D

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In a sense, Christianity is the filling up the vacant positions in the still being formed government of God.


do you have a position Eps? who's telling you whether you got the position or not? you get to know my e-mail,text, phone? just asking. :D

Aljs, if you know anything about Constitutional Law, try to explain it to a 4-year old pre-schooler. I will have the same predicament making a God mocker understand the bible message. And I won't bother doing so.


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
aljas wrote:
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Not all of those who pray or sing, “Your kingdom come”, really understand the import of “kingdom” they are uttering.

that's what happen when people never saw what they're singing about.
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The Kingdom of God the bible talks about refers to that kingdom or government being set up where Jesus is King, the territory is the earth and people to be governed.

thousands of years had passed and we're still governed by some corrupt greedy people. church leaders are no exceptions.
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Just like any government on earth at present, the head or ruler of a government has people who implement and administer the programs of government. There is a hierarchy of positions in the governing body.

Based on what you wrote above,it's funny how the kingdom of God is patterned on any government on Earth.. :D

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In a sense, Christianity is the filling up the vacant positions in the still being formed government of God.


do you have a position Eps? who's telling you whether you got the position or not? you get to know my e-mail,text, phone? just asking. :D

Aljs, if you know anything about Constitutional Law, try to explain it to a 4-year old pre-schooler. I will have the same predicament making a God mocker understand the bible message. And I won't bother doing so.


don't be offended Eps especially if you feel secure with your faith.. It's my honest question not meant to mock you but rather trying to understand on what's in religion that many people of good stature or intellect still clings to to it. a 4 year old would never question what's being fed to them . I never questioned religion when I was 4:D


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:31 am 
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aljas wrote:
don't be offended Eps especially if you feel secure with your faith.. It's my honest question not meant to mock you but rather trying to understand on what's in religion that many people of good stature or intellect still clings to to it. a 4 year old would never question what's being fed to them . I never questioned religion when I was 4:D

I'm not offended aljs. I'm just being practical. It would be futile to explain to one who is born blind how the color red is different from the color blue or yellow or green.

The things of God are spiritually discerned and to an atheist, not only are these foolishness, it is impossible for him to grasp these as the different colors are to the one born blind even if he tries to.


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
aljas wrote:
don't be offended Eps especially if you feel secure with your faith.. It's my honest question not meant to mock you but rather trying to understand on what's in religion that many people of good stature or intellect still clings to to it. a 4 year old would never question what's being fed to them . I never questioned religion when I was 4:D

I'm not offended aljs. I'm just being practical. It would be futile to explain to one who is born blind how the color red is different from the color blue or yellow or green.

The things of God are spiritually discerned and to an atheist, not only are these foolishness, it is impossible for him to grasp these as the different colors are to the one born blind even if he tries to.

not believing in religion doesn't I mean not believing in God. I simply have doubts on the kind of God we're made to believe so I don't consider myself an atheist. nobody knows for sure whether there's God or not. unless time will come that man will be able to create life based on what they learned in science over the years, then I probably could say God is all made up story. practicality and religion don't mix Eps otherwise you're only working for your own self, not for God. just my take. :D


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