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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:48 pm 
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So again noy epie, the bible is out of the question in the day of judgement. As I have said he didn't need the bible, It is because he is God he know it by heart as he taught orally during his time. :D

Believe what you like Mr. Doming. It's your prerogative. :D


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Christ's capability to judge is far from being an issue. We are simply reading a written statement that a person's works are to be judged or evaluated against the set standards written in the "biblios".


I'm not talking about christ issue of capabilities, the fact of the matter is he didn't need a bible or any books to judge the dead except the books of life that is mentioned in Revelation 20:12. tha books of life contains of everyone's deed wether they are good or wicked. he will reward and funish each one of us accordingly.

Psalm 28:4 Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

"Judgment" in the bible does not solely refer to the rendition of the verdict. It also has another usage which is the testing and overcoming by a person of how he applies the power of the Holy Spirit in him to overcome over a period of time.

The Book of Life does not contain works, good or bad, of people. It contains the names of those who are to be given eternal life.


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noy epie, Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. the Revelation 20:12 says another thing and you said another thing which one is correct John the baptist or noy epie. your rendetion contradicts
Revelation 20:12 noy epie. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:10 pm 
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It also has another usage which is the testing and overcoming by a person of how he applies the power of the Holy Spirit in him to overcome over a period of time.


yeah, those who endure will see the light at the end of the tunnel.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:48 am 
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noy epie, Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. the Revelation 20:12 says another thing and you said another thing which one is correct John the baptist or noy epie. your rendetion contradicts
Revelation 20:12 noy epie. :mrgreen:

Mr. Doming, the John who was shown and told to write what he saw is not John the Baptist. He is the apostle John. :)

Understanding "judgment" in the sense of a period of overcoming is crucial to understand Rev 20:12. "Judgment" in this verse is in the sense of the judgment now being done on the day to day life of spirit indwelt people in this age. These are those who compose the Church or the House of God.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God...

These people drawn by God to Jesus Christ who positively respond are to overcome to the end of their lives or Christ's return, whichever comes first. Not everyone is being so "judged" in this age. The majority of those who live and die in this age are those who will be raised back to life at that time in Revelation 20:11-13. They are the "dead" who are to be raised back to physical life a stand "before God" at that time.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God...

The "works" referred to are those which these (then dead) people do after the receipt of the Holy Spirit. The sins done in ignorance, those committed before the receipt of the Holy Spirit, have already been washed by Christ's sacrifice. These don't count anymore. Otherwise, Christ sacrifice accomplished nothing.

How a person "works" or apply the power of the Holy Spirit in him in trying situations in a span or period of time determines his submission or non-submission to the reign of God over him. These are the works which are "judged" by the things (rule of conduct) which are written in the "biblios".

Revelation 20:12...And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:06 am 
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Good observation noy epie. :)


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Understanding "judgment" in the sense of a period of overcoming is crucial to understand Rev 20:12. "Judgment" in this verse is in the sense of the judgment now being done on the day to day life of spirit indwelt people in this age. These are those who compose the Church or the House of God.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God...

These people drawn by God to Jesus Christ who positively respond are to overcome to the end of their lives or Christ's return, whichever comes first. Not everyone is being so "judged" in this age. The majority of those who live and die in this age are those who will be raised back to life at that time in Revelation 20:11-13. They are the "dead" who are to be raised back to physical life a stand "before God" at that time.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God...

The "works" referred to are those which these (then dead) people do after the receipt of the Holy Spirit. The sins done in ignorance, those committed before the receipt of the Holy Spirit, have already been washed by Christ's sacrifice. These don't count anymore. Otherwise, Christ sacrifice accomplished nothing.

How a person "works" or apply the power of the Holy Spirit in him in trying situations in a span or period of time determines his submission or non-submission to the reign of God over him. These are the works which are "judged" by the things (rule of conduct) which are written in the "biblios".

Revelation 20:12...And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.




yup noy epie, that's according to protestanism theory of judgement day. :D


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Roman Catholicism
Belief in the last judgment (sometime said universal judgment) is held firmly inside Roman Catholicism. Immediately upon death each soul undergoes the particular judgment, and depending upon the state of the person's soul, goes to heaven, purgatory, or hell. The last judgement will occur after the resurrection of the dead and the reuniting of a person's soul with own physical body[3].

The Catholic Church teaches that at the time of the last judgment Christ will come in his glory, and all the angels with him, and in his presence the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare, and each person who has ever lived will be judged with perfect justice. Those already in heaven will remain in heaven; those already in hell will remain in hell; and those in purgatory will be released into heaven. The Roman Catholic Church holds no doctrinal position on the fate of those in Limbo. Following the last judgment, the bliss of heaven and the pains of hell will be perfected in that those present will also be capable of physical bliss/pain. After the last judgment the universe itself will be renewed with a new heaven and a new earth.


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Understanding "judgment" in the sense of a period of overcoming is crucial to understand Rev 20:12. "Judgment" in this verse is in the sense of the judgment now being done on the day to day life of spirit indwelt people in this age. These are those who compose the Church or the House of God.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God...

These people drawn by God to Jesus Christ who positively respond are to overcome to the end of their lives or Christ's return, whichever comes first. Not everyone is being so "judged" in this age. The majority of those who live and die in this age are those who will be raised back to life at that time in Revelation 20:11-13. They are the "dead" who are to be raised back to physical life a stand "before God" at that time.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God...

The "works" referred to are those which these (then dead) people do after the receipt of the Holy Spirit. The sins done in ignorance, those committed before the receipt of the Holy Spirit, have already been washed by Christ's sacrifice. These don't count anymore. Otherwise, Christ sacrifice accomplished nothing.

How a person "works" or apply the power of the Holy Spirit in him in trying situations in a span or period of time determines his submission or non-submission to the reign of God over him. These are the works which are "judged" by the things (rule of conduct) which are written in the "biblios".

Revelation 20:12...And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.




yup noy epie, that's according to protestanism theory of judgement day. :D

I don't think the protestants agree with me. :)


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Doming wrote:
Roman Catholicism
Belief in the last judgment (sometime said universal judgment) is held firmly inside Roman Catholicism. Immediately upon death each soul undergoes the particular judgment, and depending upon the state of the person's soul, goes to heaven, purgatory, or hell. The last judgement will occur after the resurrection of the dead and the reuniting of a person's soul with own physical body[3].

The Catholic Church teaches that at the time of the last judgment Christ will come in his glory, and all the angels with him, and in his presence the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare, and each person who has ever lived will be judged with perfect justice. Those already in heaven will remain in heaven; those already in hell will remain in hell; and those in purgatory will be released into heaven. The Roman Catholic Church holds no doctrinal position on the fate of those in Limbo. Following the last judgment, the bliss of heaven and the pains of hell will be perfected in that those present will also be capable of physical bliss/pain. After the last judgment the universe itself will be renewed with a new heaven and a new earth.

Definitely this teaching is not from the bible.


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Hey Doming; whats with the Avatar??

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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
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Understanding "judgment" in the sense of a period of overcoming is crucial to understand Rev 20:12. "Judgment" in this verse is in the sense of the judgment now being done on the day to day life of spirit indwelt people in this age. These are those who compose the Church or the House of God.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God...

These people drawn by God to Jesus Christ who positively respond are to overcome to the end of their lives or Christ's return, whichever comes first. Not everyone is being so "judged" in this age. The majority of those who live and die in this age are those who will be raised back to life at that time in Revelation 20:11-13. They are the "dead" who are to be raised back to physical life a stand "before God" at that time.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God...



The "works" referred to are those which these (then dead) people do after the receipt of the Holy Spirit. The sins done in ignorance, those committed before the receipt of the Holy Spirit, have already been washed by Christ's sacrifice. These don't count anymore. Otherwise, Christ sacrifice accomplished nothing.

How a person "works" or apply the power of the Holy Spirit in him in trying situations in a span or period of time determines his submission or non-submission to the reign of God over him. These are the works which are "judged" by the things (rule of conduct) which are written in the "biblios".

Revelation 20:12...And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.




yup noy epie, that's according to protestanism theory of judgement day. :D

I don't think the protestants agree with me. :)



yup noy epie..if they don't agree..your still an offshoot. :D


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
Doming wrote:
Roman Catholicism
Belief in the last judgment (sometime said universal judgment) is held firmly inside Roman Catholicism. Immediately upon death each soul undergoes the particular judgment, and depending upon the state of the person's soul, goes to heaven, purgatory, or hell. The last judgement will occur after the resurrection of the dead and the reuniting of a person's soul with own physical body[3].

The Catholic Church teaches that at the time of the last judgment Christ will come in his glory, and all the angels with him, and in his presence the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare, and each person who has ever lived will be judged with perfect justice. Those already in heaven will remain in heaven; those already in hell will remain in hell; and those in purgatory will be released into heaven. The Roman Catholic Church holds no doctrinal position on the fate of those in Limbo. Following the last judgment, the bliss of heaven and the pains of hell will be perfected in that those present will also be capable of physical bliss/pain. After the last judgment the universe itself will be renewed with a new heaven and a new earth.

Definitely this teaching is not from the bible.




definitely! everything not in the bible says John the apostle. the truth is in the hand of the church not churches. :D

Jesus christ church noy epie...not man made church. :D


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miztyzo562 wrote:
Hey Doming; whats with the Avatar??


It was just an old unit nothing more.
Why?bro...did you serve?


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Doming wrote:
Roman Catholicism
Belief in the last judgment (sometime said universal judgment) is held firmly inside Roman Catholicism. Immediately upon death each soul undergoes the particular judgment, and depending upon the state of the person's soul, goes to heaven, purgatory, or hell. The last judgement will occur after the resurrection of the dead and the reuniting of a person's soul with own physical body[3].

The Catholic Church teaches that at the time of the last judgment Christ will come in his glory, and all the angels with him, and in his presence the truth of each man's relationship with God will be laid bare, and each person who has ever lived will be judged with perfect justice. Those already in heaven will remain in heaven; those already in hell will remain in hell; and those in purgatory will be released into heaven. The Roman Catholic Church holds no doctrinal position on the fate of those in Limbo. Following the last judgment, the bliss of heaven and the pains of hell will be perfected in that those present will also be capable of physical bliss/pain. After the last judgment the universe itself will be renewed with a new heaven and a new earth.


...Are you sure about the above statements...?

...Are you aware on the new doctrines released by the Vatican concerning the catholic churchs' new teachings...?

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