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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 3:44 am 
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Mang Juraments sabi mo masyado malaki ang China pero yung US malaki din naman pero nasakop parin ng British..

siguro medyu maayus narin and malalim ang civilization ng China kaya hindi sila nasakop fully..

how i wish we can go back time and see how their civilization started..

dati kasi, kung sino malakas sya and panalo.. well until now to some extend ganyan parin pero not as glaring as before..

btw, nice read..

Magkaiba naman ng sitwasyon ang China at ang America (north and south)

Ang China napagkaisa na ng unang emperador nila, si Qin, matagal na. Ibig sabihin meron na ang mga intsik na 'consciousness' o self awareness with regards to their identity as a people and civilization. Kahit papaano meron na silang 'cohesion' o pagkakaisa na matatawag.

You have to remember na China is a part of the 'old world'.

Alam na ng Europe ang existence ng China noon pa and vice versa.

Nakita na ng China lahat ng mga 'tricks' na meron ang west. Gaya ng steel weapons, firearm, horses at dogs. Meron din sila ng mga yan.

Let us compare

The American continent is part of the 'new world'. Much of it is uncharted territory, untouched. This made it more desirable to the west. Now compare that to China which is part of the old world, it is safe for them to assume na exploited na ng mga intsik kung ano mang resources meron sa China. Shanghai and Hong Kong are exceptions kasi they are strategic locations, kaya nila ito sinakop. Wala talaga silang desire para sakupin ang buong China.

Samantalang ang mga civilization sa continental Americas ay hindi nagkakaisa.

Here is another point...

When I said earlier na aware na ang mga intsik sa mga 'tricks' ng west. I'm talking about warfare.

Ang continental America ay isolated from the rest of the world. Bago dumating ang mga Europeans sa American continent, yung mga native Americans were fighting using weapons made of hardwood, obsidian rock, bone, stone, etc.

Kaya ng dumating ang ma westerner na may dalang steel, firearm, horses at dogs of war. Na overwhelmed ang mga native Americans (Aztec, Incan, Mayan).

Panoorin mo yung mga documentary sa Discovery and National Geographic channel, about sa Inca at Aztec. Pinapakita doon yung mga injury na tinamo nila, the unearthed bones.

Saka hindi naman ganyan kasimple ang storya ng U.S. o North America gaya ng iniisip mo.

Masalimuot din ang kwento ng mga native Americans at ng American continent.

Kasi aside from fighting them, yung mga European settlers also traded with the Indians, sa 'fur trade'.

Saka hindi lang England ang sumakop sa North America, misconception yan. Maraming European country ang involved dyan.

U.S. and Canada were colonized by the British and French. Some parts of N. America, including parts of the U.S. was also colonized by Spain.

Panoorin mo yung pelikula na The Last of the Mohicans, pinapakita dun ang digmaan ng France at England.

May mga states sa U.S. na dating colony ng France at England.

Yung state nga ng Texas ay parte dati yan ng Mexico. Example naman ng French colony ay yung Louisiana, sa English naman e yung Virginia.

To simplify... the west went there for the abundant natural resources, kasi noon kinukulang na sila ng wood and land to plant crops.

Tapos they employed the same old 'trick' of divide and conquer over the native Americans.

Madali nilang nagawa yun kasi hindi naman united yung mga locals. Wala silang cohesion.

Sa sobrang isolated ng continental America, ang number one weapon ng mga Europeans ay ang sipon. Sakit ang umubos sa maraming native american tribes.

Anyway, gaya nga ng sinabi ko doon sa previous post ko. Division ang malaking dahilan kung bakit tagumpay ang pananakop ng west. Kasi magaling silang mag exploit nyan.

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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 10:04 am 
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`The prevailing worldview today from the western media is that - countries that are not aligned or
has had close relationship wd the US and its allies are labelled as 'autocratic, regime, dictatorship, etc'
even all or most are members of the UN or abide in international protocol laws. Cuba, nk, libya, syria, nicaragua,
chad, belarus, kazakhstan, the BRICK nations, etc, are in this category.

Allow me to cite this article about north korea by Anna Broinowski whose book The Director
is the Commander
dispels some of the crazier rumours inside the country and proves sensationalism
beats truth in the social media economy.

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The malleability of digital media, and the speed with which consumers can embed and reframe North Korean content before passing it on, means even truthful accounts of Kim Jong-un’s ruthless moves to shore up his inherited power are frequently embellished. When Kim executed his uncle, Jang Song-thaek, in late 2013 for insubordination, mainstream news feeds reported Jang and five aides had been stripped naked and fed to 120 starving dogs. The story went viral, before it was traced back to a Chinese satirist’s blog on Tencent Weibo.

Critical thinking just goes out the window on North Korea -Chad O’Carroll, NK News

David Straub of Stanford University identifies “an exponential increase” in the number of people circulating
anything “even remotely plausible about North Korea” – and in established media passing it on. And with
consumers happy to buy entertainment as news, “kooky North Korea” stories do a roaring trade.

Only this month, South Korea’s national intelligence agency reported Kim had publicly obliterated another insider, general Hyon Yong-chol, with an anti-aircraft gun. The story was widely circulated before the agency adjusted its claim: Hyon had been “purged” for “dozing off” at official events, but might still be alive.

- In 2014, the ABC on-sold Radio Free Asia’s claim that Kim Jong-un’s haircut is compulsory for Pyongyang university students; a year later, the blogosphere exploded with a recycled BBC report that long hair is banned in North Korea because it “saps brain energy”. The Toronto Sun’s craziest rumours about North Korea post alleges that North Korean Olympians who fail to win a medal are sent to the gulags, and Pyongyang officials supported Scottish independence
“for the Scotch alone”.

- The revelation that the YouTube documentary about the Pyongyang traffic lady is fake is buried in the comments page; Kim Jong-un’s pop-singer girlfriend’s appearance on KCNA a year after reports of her grisly murder failed to reach the same million consumers who believed her dead; North Korean gulag survivor Shin Dong-hyuk’s recent admission that parts of his bestselling memoir are false did little to dampen belief in its credibility; and in May, Seoul’s Daily NK ran a discreet post contradicting CNN’s widely publicised story about Kim Jong-un’s poisoned aunt, stating Kyong-hui is alive in Pyongyang.

The truth about North Korea is also a casualty when politics come into play, author/Broinowski added.

read more - http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/j ... ea-stories



`We all just have to be more careful, fair and rational enough to not just believe every story the media presents
more so if its about a country/people whose govt. swore hatred to america because of its constant attack
and its bias policies - political, economic, social toward the said country ever since it became independent.

Perhaps, looking back in history, the mighty american military power lost its glory and pride in the 1950-53 Korean war.

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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:33 am 
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Pre-colonial Philippines

Religion

Before the arrival of the Abrahamic religions (Christianity and Islam) to the islands. Most of the pre-colonial Filipinos practiced Hindu-Buddhism and animism; similar to our Asian neighbors.

Golden Kinnari idol

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Found in both Hindu and Buddhist mythology.

Was originally found in Surigao del sur as part of the Surigao treasure. Dated 10th-13th Century.

Showcased in Ayala museum.

According to archeologists, this design is unique to the Philippines.

Golden Tara

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a golden figure of a Buddhist diety. Dated 850-950 C.E.

Found in the Agusan del sur by a Manobo woman after a storm and flood in 1917.

Showcased in Field Museum in Chicago. :(

Manunggul Jar

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A secondary burial jar found in Manunggul cave in Palawan. Dated late neolithic period, about 890-710 B.C.

According to archeologists, its intricate design is unrivaled in South East Asia and was probably made by a master potter.


eto yung kapanahon ng Laguna copper... me mga natira pa palang konti...kung madaming coppers sana natira mas ma vi visualize natin yung sitwasyon.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:53 am 
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`Something to ponder.

Is Ancient History Completely Made Up By 'The Man'?
Adam Weinstein 4/01/15 Filed to: NEW CHRONOLOGY

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Assume a notable story on a notable day in history—the lunar landing, say—was fabricated. Now assume that 400,000 to 2 million such days were concocted. You begin to get a sense of the scope of New Chronology, the "empirico-statistical" theory that much of human history is a fiction assembled to serve the powerful.

Anatoly Timofeyevich Fomenko would like to blow your mind now, please. He will be assisted by chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov, as well as Sir Isaac Newton.

Since 1980, Fomenko, mathematician at Moscow State University and full member of Russia's prestigious Academy of Sciences, has been the leading proponent of a radical revision of human history—"an improved version of the global chronology of the Ancient Time," as he and collaborator Gleb Nosovsky put it—based on statistical and astronomical analyses.

Fomenko believes there is no reliable written record of human events before the 11th century. Most of our knowledge of earlier cultures is based on texts or copies of texts that date from after that era. From that point on, chroniclers—primarily learned religious scholars—used supposition and arbitrary consensus to fix the dates of key events in history. In doing so, they grafted recent occurrences onto earlier dates—sometimes unwittingly, sometimes perniciously—thus creating numerous "historical duplicates." History appears to repeat itself, Fomenko suggests, because it is thoroughly plagiarized.


In his chronology, the events of the New Testament precede those of the Old Testament—and in any case, most of the stories are concocted to reflect later incidents. Joan of Arc was a model for the biblical character Deborah. Jesus Christ was crucified in Constantinople in 1086. Ancient Egypt, Rome, and Greece were fashioned by Renaissance writers and artists (the time of the Pharoahs, Fomenko suggests, may have lasted into the 1700s). Aristotle instructed Alexander the Great, who was a tsar, in Moscow in the 1400s. Early English history—from the accepted names and dates to the apocryphal legends of a post-Roman King Arthur—is actually a carbon copy of Fourth Century Byzantium, which is itself a fiction based on late Medieval events.

In short, he argues, we are Baudrillardian copies without an original. We are in a matrix with Medieval rules. These rules are explained in a seven-volume corpus by Fomenko that opens with Orwell's famous saw from 1984: "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." The late Russian social critic Alexander Zinoviev provided the foreword to this master work: "The entire history of humanity up until the XVII century is a forgery of global proportions," he wrote, "a falsification as deliberate as it is universal."


read more - http://blackbag.gawker.com/is-ancient-h ... 1694539419

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zorro05 wrote:
that much of human history is a fiction assembled to serve the powerful.


Agree


zorro05 wrote:

We are in a matrix with Medieval rules.


Agree


zorro05 wrote:
Orwell's famous saw from 1984: "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." The late Russian social critic Alexander Zinoviev provided the foreword to this master work: "The entire history of humanity up until the XVII century is a forgery of global proportions," he wrote, "a falsification as deliberate as it is universal."[/i]

read more - http://blackbag.gawker.com/is-ancient-h ... 1694539419

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I partially agree. because history prior to XVII was also modified :D



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Thanks for that post Mang Zorro.

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:13 pm 
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kabibili ko lang ng History book kahapon para sa anak kong 1st yr HS.


so ang unang civilization na nakasulat dun eh yung ngang sa Summeria.....which heavily relied on religion(gods)


so...

kung ang premise natin eh gawa ng tao ang mga istorya na to..ibig sabihn nun...


1. Evolved Homo Erectus prior to 4 to 5K yrs ago created the story of Enki

2. and in this exact time( yun ang recorded) they used the story to manipulate the early humans ( which came from the Homo Erectus also of course sila sila din....mas matalino lang yung naka isip gumawa ng istory ni Enki)



whatchathink?????


what really happened?


Im calling on you Gene ))))))))))

wala pa ba yung Hypothesis mo?? :lol:

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miron_lang wrote:
eto yung kapanahon ng Laguna copper... me mga natira pa palang konti...kung madaming coppers sana natira mas ma vi visualize natin yung sitwasyon.

Sana nga mapalakas pa natin yung educational institutions natin katulad ng sa mauunlad na bansa. Para magkaroon din tayo ng discoveries, inventions at innovations.

Undermanned at underfunded kasi yung sa atin.

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`Every country/nation has had some semblance of tribal existence, a culture or a minor civilization
but if theres no written language or recording, no monuments or structures that they can associate with,
no ancient inventions maybe, etc..., that later cultures and/or era can view, study, developed
and preserved, then that 'early culture' will just fade away and forgotten in mankinds history.

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sabi dito meron daw

KINGDOM of LUZON


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` No such thing.

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miron_lang wrote:
sabi dito meron daw

Merong ano mod?

Saka anong 'no such thing'?

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 10:39 am 
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Juramentado wrote:
miron_lang wrote:
sabi dito meron daw

Merong ano mod?

Saka anong 'no such thing'?


sabi dun sa video... dati daw merong 'KINGDOM of LUZON'

sabi naman ni Mang Zorro. no such thing. hehehe

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miron_lang wrote:
sabi dun sa video... dati daw merong 'KINGDOM of LUZON'

sabi naman ni Mang Zorro. no such thing. hehehe

Hindi ata 'kingdom of Luzon' exactly mod.

Kasi masyadong malaki ang Luzon.

Hindi iisa o united na bansa ang Pilipinas noon, composed sya of several independent kingdoms o thalassocracy ruled by their respective leaders such as Rajah, Datu, Lakan, etc.

For example sa Luzon, ang mga nabasa ko na, ay yung tungkol sa kingdom of Ma-i saka yang kingdom of Tondo and if I remember correctly I've also read about Namayan.

Yan kingdom of Ma-i, ilan beses ko nang nababasa yan, mentioned in several book, based yan sa records ng mga Chinese merchants. Historians speculate na it is situated somewhere in Mindoro.

Kasi yung mga Chinese are fond of writing about their voyages. Sinusulat nila lahat ng na i-encounter nila.

Yung Kingdom of Tondo verifiable yan, kasi yan ang teritoryo na sakop ni Rajah Solaiman and his uncle Lakan Dula. Nababanggit yan kahit sa history ng mga taga Brunei.

Kasi si Rajah Sulaiman was said to be a direct descendant of the King of Brunei. Kaya yung mga Lantaka o cannons na ginamit sa Brunei noon were also seen in Tondo before.

Aside from that yung kingdom of Cebu meron din, nakasulat yan sa voyage log ni Pigafetta.

Ilo-Ilo din.

Sa Mindanao naman yung Kingdom of Butuan, yung 'mother balangay' dyan nahukay ng mga archeologist.

Yung kingdom of Sulu nasusulat din ang existence.

Yan palang yung mga kingdoms na naaalala ko off the top of my head mod, marami pa akong nakalimutan.

Pag sinabing "thalassocrasy" bale mga states yan who have authority over territories at sea.

For example kapag dadaan ka sa area nila, kailangan makipag trade ka muna, kasi pag hindi, aakyatin nila yung ship mo at kukunin ng sapilitan yung merchandise mo.

That is their way to encourage continous trade among them and the passing merchant ships.

Butuan and those in Luzon were known for trading.

While the Visayan's and Moro's aside from trade/barter, had a reputation for raiding.

Nag-o-organize talaga sila ng mga ganun.

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I think, please correct me.

That you are talking maybe from period 1400's to 1500's


yung sa bidyo ata is 800 to 900 AD.



nasa 500 years difference din :shock:

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miron_lang wrote:
I think, please correct me.

That you are talking maybe from period 1400's to 1500's


yung sa bidyo ata is 800 to 900 AD.



nasa 500 years difference din :shock:

Na-encounter ko na yang video na yan before. Matagal na yang video na yan mod ni-reupload lang.

No mod, Parehas lang yung binabanggit nya.

Yung sinasabi ko dito is not limited to the 1400's and 1500's. For example the kingdoms of Butuan, Ma-i, Cebu, etc. existed even before 1400's.

What he is discussing in the video is not exaclty from the 800 to 900 AD. He even mentions of how Legaspi defeated the kingdom of Tondo. Legaspi arrived several years after Magellan.

Basically ang tinatalakay lang nya sa video ay yung Filipinos pre-colonial history in general. He is talking about a very broad time span.

Yung video is not accurate. So just take it with a grain of salt mod.

Pero there is truth to some of the things he said. Kasi yung ibang nabanggit nya ay nabasa ko na din from other sources.

Some of the things he mentioned I can not confirm.

Bale yung way nya ng pagtatagpe nung mga facts na na-gather nya is the one that is questionable. Yung conclusion nya.

Pero some of the facts na hawak nya ay tama. For example, yung Kingdom of Ma-i nababanggit talaga yan kahit sa mga Chinese travel logs. Saka yung fall of Tondo is well documented by the Spaniards.

Kung gusto mo talagang malaman yung exact time span nung mga old kingdoms mentioned mod try to look up yung existence nung mga Chinese dynasty that interacted with them.

Kasi bawat Chinese dynasty had their corresponding time span.

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