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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:15 am 
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The rationale behind it is -Paul never saw yeshua.

He wrote truthfully about what/who yeshua was from oral/traditional sources
mainly from a few christians at that time, and spoke of an ordinary person not divine.
Even some of Paul's writings, i.e Epistles, Acts, Pauline Letters, alluded to him were not by him.

The problem wd the gospels is - It was written after about bet. two-three centuries later,
after yeshua died, by scribes/writers upon/by church-patristic fathers and were attached or
alluded to the early extant or fragments of writings of the apostles.

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of course we are not concluding that Paul is a scammer or something, we're just pointing out the technical/literal scenario of how the writer Paul came up with the book is a bit less convincing in terms of veracity or to use Mang Zorro's word fact check-able :D



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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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` Paul was not a fraud or a scammer mod, I think so too.

He would have never known that many writings - Letters, Acts, Epistles...,
were attributed and/or alluded to him after his death.

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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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find time to check how the historians and bible scholars verify the authenticity of the Bible so you guys will not innocently discussing these things. Care to check what is textual criticism, criterion of multiple attestation, criterion of coherence, criterion of embarrassment, etc. help educate yourselves.

If the Bible is not historically reliable using the same degree of verification as to other ancient writings then there will never be any single reliable ancient book. Though it is not 100% certitude, the bible is thousands more reliable than any other ancient writings.


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find time to check how the historians and bible scholars verify the authenticity of the Bible so you guys will not innocently discussing these things. Care to check what is textual criticism, criterion of multiple attestation, criterion of coherence, criterion of embarrassment, etc. help educate yourselves.

If the Bible is not historically reliable using the same degree of verification as to other ancient writings then there will never be any single reliable ancient book. Though it is not 100% certitude, the bible is thousands more reliable than any other ancient writings.



Thanks for the advice pre. I'll try to keep that in mind...always..:D

now in a bit of relation to this...

I just like to have your opinion or whatever is your take.


as archeologist/scientists have concluded..the oldest written account of anything written in some form of order..are the Clay tablets of Sumeria dated something like 6 to 8 thousand years ago. kindly address my queries if so your time permits :

1. Do you believe that indeed the oldest written text is that of Summeria? if no which is?
2. How do you co-relate this text compared to the christian bible?
3. What is your assumption during the time of Sumeria? where was Yahwe or jesus during this time? what was like in other parts of the world?


Thanks for your time :)

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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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` Nice point mod.

This I gotta see.

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miron_lang wrote:
This THREAD is for ALL :D. Pls post any comments...within the forum rules .

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What is your interpretation of these:


“Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”
-Romans 10:13





"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21


My answer is, they can put in whatever interpretation they want there, as along as it fits their beliefs. Just believe the pastor or you will go to hell.

For me it's self-explanatory, and a blatant contradiction. Another case of Paul versus Jesus verses.

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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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Tony wrote:
miron_lang wrote:
This THREAD is for ALL :D. Pls post any comments...within the forum rules .

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What is your interpretation of these:


“Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”
-Romans 10:13





"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21


My answer is, they can put in whatever interpretation they want there, as along as it fits their beliefs. Just believe the pastor or you will go to hell.

For me it's self-explanatory, and a blatant contradiction. Another case of Paul versus Jesus verses.


exactly.


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miron_lang wrote:
This THREAD is for ALL :D. Pls post any comments...within the forum rules .

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What is your interpretation of these:


“Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”
-Romans 10:13


this verse is comparable to a salesman who tries to sell his product saying his product is the authentic, others that may look the same is fake. This verse is trying to teach you to suspend your own critical thinking and just submit to authority no questions ask. It teaces you to be fanatic. Basically, it teaches you to be dumb so you can easily be controlled.



Quote:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21


this verse talks about the deeds, that saying you believe without the deeds is not enough. Still, it tells you to suspend your critical thinking and just do whatever you are told to do.

-no wonder why a highly religious society is a factory of dumbfucks because of this ignorance based philosophy. The bible is no longer appropriate for 21st century because it is obsolete.


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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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miron_lang wrote:
crispyfry wrote:
That is why faith is required to believe in God.

faith = believing something in the absence of evidence.- Richard Dawkins



EVIDENCE is the key word here :D

People should not fall into that other kind of 'faith' wherein evidence is only validated by the 5 senses.

YOU determine the validity of the evidence. do not let external entity rule over you or tell you which is which.. YOU are the one who determines if something is an evidence that proves something or not.


That's why science turns to empirical evidence, not just any evidence, because it's the kind of evidence that can be verified independently. many of these evidence religious people are talking about are anecdotal evidence. it's nothing more than made up stories.


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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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Romy Nabas wrote:
Sakto mod ang tanong mo sa full tank episode nya ngayon. About how God judge us

How God judge us? My guess is according to how that other person judge you. Coz for thousands of years, people are talking about the God that no one had seen. Religious people are too delusional to self proclaim themselves as God's hand picked speaker. That's batshit crazy.


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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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drk_schultz wrote:
miron_lang wrote:
drk_schultz wrote:


doon sa green, I am not sure kung it will bring them to "TECHNICAL TRUTH about REALITY" mang mod...
because the premise itself doon sa dalawang verse kahit hindi sinabi at isinulat ay tinanggap na agad na may MADYIKAL god eh"...
en prom taym emmemoryal yaang istayl na ya^AN ay saksespol nang ginagamit ng mga belebers upang MAILIGAW ang kanilang gustong i-rikrut from the very WEAK spot ng kanilang paniniwala...
and mind you sinasamahan pa nila sa paraang paghingi ng RESPETO o BILANG RESPETO daw igalang ang kanilang paniniwala..
sa paraang huwag kwestyonin o humingi ng PROOF doon sa mga MAGIC na CAPABILITY ng god nila....

another conspiratorial theory from me..o kaya supporting na la^ANG..ahihihi...


TRUTH/REALIty is relative or another way of putting it is you CREATE your TRUTH/REALITY.... we need to be as technical as possible because every individual is UNIQUE. me iba sempre sa kanila hindit totoo yung 'you create your own reality' pero sa iba pwede namang yung ang totoo sa kanila. walang me monopoly ng katotohanan..

parang ganto lang :


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YES... ang premise ng THREAD TITLE is for believers.. pero sabi ko nga at the 1st post welcome yung input coming from OUTSIDE of believers realm.

the safe way is not to put an immediate subject in mind when analyzing.



mang mod, doon sa 6 or 9 ba...
may suhestyon ako...
dapat ang gawin nilang dalawa, tanungin nila yoong sumulat nyang number na eyan..
ano bang number ang intensyon o gusto nya dyan noong sinusulat nya...

malamang masosolb ang problema dyan..
ang masama kung ang intensyon o gusto noong sumulat nya^AN ay "to confuse"
kagaya din ya^ANG noong verse...lalong lalo na kung pagbabasehan mo ay ang history noong kinompayl nina Constatine ya^ANG librong ya^AN...

tama. facts by inference either by deduction, induction and abduction, of which the bible don't wanna deal any of these coz it will fvck up the faith thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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robwisdom wrote:
josecasta1 wrote:
that was a bloody mess. I was at work when I typed that one :lol:
No need to explain. Every rational person knows atheism is a mess. Check Pascal's wager. So clear in that argument how stupid atheism is, wala kang panalo, tabla talo lang, hehe. Fad kasi ang atheism today para mag mukhang matalino raw, pero sa totoo lang kabaliktaran e. Kaestupiduhan. :-)

there are 19 major world religions which are subdivided into a total of 270 large religious groups, and many smaller ones. where do you put your wager and how do you know you're betting on the right God? and where is God btw? If you only disagree to look smart, then you're disagreeing for the wrong reason. You're suppose to disagree because you are not satisfied or convinced with the information in hand.


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 Post subject: Re: Your interpretation
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SAVED from the eternal hell?

If you believe the bible to be true, then, you should believe that God made a mistake in creating human beings. He created them so weak that NOT ONE of them can avoid sinning. NOT ONE (Romans 3:10). 100% product failure. That is mediocrity in its worst form.

The mistake was so blatant that God himself regret making mankind that in his regret, he willed to kill everbody, including animals (Gen 6:6). I wonder what the animals did to earn his wrath.

But before that, he cursed man to a lifetime of labor, the woman to have pain in childbirth, and the snake to walk on his belly. All because God did not do it right.

He punishes as if sinning will make his life miserable. And his punishment is absolute cruelty. I wonder what's in it for him. And they blame Satan, making him the bad guy. What the f***.

Now you were taught.. you are a sinner.. you are not worthy of God's grace... you are scum. If you don't repent you will go to hell and burn there for all eternity. Now pay up and listen to the pastor. Fear the priest.

No, Satan is not the source of evil. Nor is mankind. Mankind was created weak because he was created with absolute mediocrity and is being punished for something he cannot control.

Now interpret this clear verse:

    Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

Maybe Lucifer rebelled because of this. Just maybe.

Who created evil? Your loving God. The loving God who will send you to hell if you lustily masturbate on porn and forget to repent. The God who helped Pacquiao win his 8 titles in 8 different divisions, yet let millions of children around the world starve. The God who loves you so much.

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as archeologist/scientists have concluded..the oldest written account of anything
written in some form of order..are the Clay tablets of Sumeria dated something like 6 to 8 thousand
years ago. kindly address my queries if so your time permits :

`Its been a month already, mod.

sana, di mo na dinagdag yung naka-highight.

Baka abutin ng 'forever' yaan..., hanggang 2075 lang ako mag-hihintay.

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