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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:40 pm 
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John 3:16 is the favorite and oft repeated bible verse professing Christians quote and cite to others.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

What does "perish" mean in the above quoted verse?


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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
John 3:16 is the favorite and oft repeated bible verse professing Christians quote and cite to others.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

What does "perish" mean in the above quoted verse?


Torni, Is there any other meaning? aside from Die, Disappear, or to come to an end or cease to exist?

:lol: If so, PM mo lang ha' please lang...! hehehehe...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:55 pm 
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It should mean exactly what it says.

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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
John 3:16 is the favorite and oft repeated bible verse professing Christians quote and cite to others.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

What does "perish" mean in the above quoted verse?


IF Eternal Life = Not Dying THEN
Perish = Die

END IF

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miron_lang wrote:
Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
John 3:16 is the favorite and oft repeated bible verse professing Christians quote and cite to others.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

What does "perish" mean in the above quoted verse?


IF Eternal Life = Not Dying THEN
Perish = Die

END IF


nice condition statement mod miron. ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:31 pm 
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Epi is a lawyer, not a computer programmer. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:23 am 
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have eternal life --> opposite = no eternal life

Eternal life is given by God and that is to be with God forever so unbelievers will have the opposite which is a "forever" spent without God = Hell

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:27 am 
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perish?!!! thats crap. unbelievers dont perish in hell, they suffer there for eternity.

if sinners dont die in hell then JOhn 3:16 is a pissed.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:39 pm 
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Thanks everyone who responded for sharing your thoughts. Even grean is talking. marcus' post is like a devastating pacquiao combination. :)

AK's 1st statement is right but the 2nd muddles it.

Many believe that those who will not be given eternal life will still have it, albeit, in hell fire when "perish" really means perish and to vanish away.

Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish;And the enemies of the LORD, Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish. Into smoke they shall vanish away.

The belief that the unsaved man will languish eternally alive in hellfire contradicts John 3:16.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:36 pm 
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I can see there are no more posts in this thread. The following post might be its conclusion:

The word "perish" in John 3:16 is another bible proof that the Merciful God will terminate the mortal life of those who will choose not to be ruled over by him as an act of mercy.

The belief of eternal torment in an everlasting hellfire is negated by John 3:16, an oft-quoted bible verse where the word "perish" is also oftenly overlooked even by bible believers.


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maybe its just taking them extra long this time to come up with another "translation" of the word. 8)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:51 am 
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Epifanio M. Almeda wrote:
I can see there are no more posts in this thread. The following post might be its conclusion:

The word "perish" in John 3:16 is another bible proof that the Merciful God will terminate the mortal life of those who will choose not to be ruled over by him as an act of mercy.

The belief of eternal torment in an everlasting hellfire is negated by John 3:16, an oft-quoted bible verse where the word "perish" is also oftenly overlooked even by bible believers.


most bible believers dont agree with your version epi because there are other verses that says other meaning of 'perish'. just like in daniel:

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

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Perish-eternal damnation

parallelism to a verse where it mentions that the wages of sin is death.


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epi's interpretation has no basis whatsoever with historical Christian beliefs, in other words, he just made it up according to his personal understanding of the bible.

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a5sk1ck wrote:
epi's interpretation has no basis whatsoever with historical Christian beliefs, in other words, he just made it up according to his personal understanding of the bible.

marcus is right. :)

My "personal understanding" is that the opposite of eternal life is eternal death which John 3:16 renders as "perish".


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