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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:15 pm 
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You may have been bombarded already in the news about the source code or the lack of it in the coming senatorial
and local elections. The Comelec said there is no need for source code review while the opposing parties contend that
it is mandated by law to have a source code review by political parties or anyone interested. In the last presidential election,
there was no source code employed which has given doubts to the election of the current president.

Just exactly what is source code? It is defined as the human readable instructions that define what the computer equipment will do.
Can any techies out there give a clear explanation to the layman what a source code is? Since there is no source code that can be reviewed
in this coming election, does it mean that the automated elections in May 2013 can't be credibly run by the Smartmatic PCOS machines?

Anyone?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:28 pm 
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Its the program structure itself. It is a set of codes that gives an intruction to a program or how it should behave. Basically that's how it works. Just immagine that you have a subordinate that will only follow your instruction whatever happens.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:05 am 
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The PCOS machines are just tally machines. What source code are they looking for?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:24 am 
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El Bandido wrote:
The PCOS machines are just tally machines. What source code are they looking for?


This tally machine will affect you and your future generation. Imagine if this tally machine would be in control of crooked politicians... Let say, Garci would run as President and won because we used PCOS in counting the ballots. What a machine!

Now going back to your question, source codes are human readable codes that gives us idea on how the machine behaves and how it works. It's like the DNA of every humans or animals.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:31 am 
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It is mandated by the law. I saw an article in Philippine Star or Inquirer showing the details of how the source code will be reviewed.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:39 am 
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Harold wrote:
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The PCOS machines are just tally machines. What source code are they looking for?


This tally machine will affect you and your future generation. Imagine if this tally machine would be in control of crooked politicians... Let say, Garci would run as President and won because we used PCOS in counting the ballots. What a machine!

Now going back to your question, source codes are human readable codes that gives us idea on how the machine behaves and how it works. It's like the DNA of every humans or animals.




Test the machines. If the tally is correct ten times out of ten, then it is ok to use them. Providing a source code to politicians is like giving the dirty politicians the "Go Signal" to cheat.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:23 am 
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Mullato wrote:
You may have been bombarded already in the news about the source code or the lack of it in the coming senatorial
and local elections. The Comelec said there is no need for source code review while the opposing parties contend that
it is mandated by law to have a source code review by political parties or anyone interested. In the last presidential election,
there was no source code employed which has given doubts to the election of the current president.

Just exactly what is source code? It is defined as the human readable instructions that define what the computer equipment will do.
Can any techies out there give a clear explanation to the layman what a source code is? Since there is no source code that can be reviewed
in this coming election, does it mean that the automated elections in May 2013 can't be credibly run by the Smartmatic PCOS machines?

Anyone?


Source code -> the human readable version of the program...

without it, you will have to read machine code if you want to know exactly how the software works... and I'd say GOOD LUCK to anyone who would try that... :D

I'm just wondering though... Even if they do show a certain source code.. How will we know for sure that all of the PCOS machines have that version of the program? For all we know, they could show us a clean version of the code, but have a slightly modified version installed in 25% of the machines.. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:59 am 
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A source code is a body of interrelated detailed computer instructions, typically numbering in the hundreds, but sometimes in the thousands (even millions), depending on the complexity of their tasks. The instructions are written in pseudomathematical language using syntax that look like this:

DO
marquez = marquez + 1
pharmaceutical(memo)
IF memo = 1 THEN
fightpacquiao = 1
ELSE
fightpacquiao = 0
END IF
LOOP UNTIL memo = 1 AND marquez = 100

The source code is written by human programmers and compiled by a computer into an executable (.exe) file (such as Excel.exe) that directs a machine (such as a PCOS machine) to perform some task (such as tallying ballots).

A programmer who has access to the source code of any machine can alter some or all the instructions it contains to change the machine's behavior. A malicious programmer, for instance, can easily modify the instructions for tallying votes to favor certain candidates IF he has the source code for that tallying machine. It can take as little as one line of instruction to rig one candidate's result: "crookedpolitico = crookedpolitico + 100" in lieu of the original "crookedpolitico = crookedpolitico + 1."

However, If the source code is burned (hardwired) into the machine's microprocessor or some dedicated chip, then the fidelity of the machine is safe; it's virtually impossible to hack. The only practical way to change the machine's behavior is to replace the chip containing the original source code.

This is the reason why the source code should be under lock and key.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:18 am 
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wasaywasay wrote:
A source code is a body of interrelated detailed computer instructions, typically numbering in the hundreds, but sometimes in the thousands (even millions), depending on the complexity of their tasks. The instructions are written in pseudomathematical language using syntax that look like this:

DO
marquez = marquez + 1
pharmaceutical(memo)
IF memo = 1 THEN
fightpacquiao = 1
ELSE
fightpacquiao = 0
END IF
LOOP UNTIL memo = 1 AND marquez = 100

The source code is written by human programmers and compiled by a computer into an executable (.exe) file (such as Excel.exe) that directs a machine (such as a PCOS machine) to perform some task (such as tallying ballots).

A programmer who has access to the source code of any machine can alter some or all the instructions it contains to change the machine's behavior. A malicious programmer, for instance, can easily modify the instructions for tallying votes to favor certain candidates IF he has the source code for that tallying machine. It can take as little as one line of instruction to rig one candidate's result: "crookedpolitico = crookedpolitico + 100" in lieu of the original "crookedpolitico = crookedpolitico + 1."

However, If the source code is burned (hardwired) into the machine's microprocessor or some dedicated chip, then the fidelity of the machine is safe; it's virtually impossible to hack. The only practical way to change the machine's behavior is to replace the chip containing the original source code.

This is the reason why the source code should be under lock and key.


well, I think the program is actually hardwired... is it not? the PCOS are dedicated machines made specifically for this task, and only for this task (correct me if I'm wrong)... I don't see any reason why the program should not be hardwired, other than some people making it "cheatable" on purpose.. :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:34 am 
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Maybe assembly language. 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:37 am 
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source code
ay ang program na sinulat ng programmer para tumakbo as an executable .EXE

ang program (Software) ang syang tatakbo o itatakbo ng isang computer(Hardware) para makuha kung ano man ang mithiin ng program na yan.


so sa kasong to. kahit walang source code ang COMELEC basta meron sila nung Executable file eh makukuha nila ang kanilang kagustuhan.


[u]POTENTIAL PROBLEM[/u]


since non public or hindin naman Web application ito. Magkakaproblema lamang kung ang mga ito ay magawa ng mga gustong mandaya

1. Makuha nila source code
2. Ma modify nila source code at ma compile uli
3. Ma deploy sa lahat ng sites


yang tatlong yan ay nangangailangan ng physical access so hindi uubra mga hacker hacker lang dito. kailagan nila makapasok talaga sa facilitities ng COMELEC not to mention kailagan nila ng mga passwords.





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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:44 am 
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Mullato wrote:
You may have been bombarded already in the news about the source code or the lack of it in the coming senatorial
and local elections. The Comelec said there is no need for source code review while the opposing parties contend that
it is mandated by law to have a source code review by political parties or anyone interested. In the last presidential election,
there was no source code employed which has given doubts to the election of the current president.

Just exactly what is source code? It is defined as the human readable instructions that define what the computer equipment will do.
Can any techies out there give a clear explanation to the layman what a source code is? Since there is no source code that can be reviewed
in this coming election, does it mean that the automated elections in May 2013 can't be credibly run by the Smartmatic PCOS machines?

Anyone?




if the program got tested to be 100% accurate then destroying the source code would make this application 100% tamper free.


gets mo pre?

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miron_lang wrote:
Mullato wrote:
You may have been bombarded already in the news about the source code or the lack of it in the coming senatorial
and local elections. The Comelec said there is no need for source code review while the opposing parties contend that
it is mandated by law to have a source code review by political parties or anyone interested. In the last presidential election,
there was no source code employed which has given doubts to the election of the current president.

Just exactly what is source code? It is defined as the human readable instructions that define what the computer equipment will do.
Can any techies out there give a clear explanation to the layman what a source code is? Since there is no source code that can be reviewed
in this coming election, does it mean that the automated elections in May 2013 can't be credibly run by the Smartmatic PCOS machines?

Anyone?




if the program got tested to be 100% accurate then destroying the source code would make this application 100% tamper free.


gets mo pre?


No source code is being destroyed!

Ginagamit yan kung may repairs...glitches...etc!


Wag nang ipagtanggol!...any form of program can be tampered!
There's no such thing as 100% safe!

Dayaan ba? POSIBLE!

Paano ma prevent? a independent counting machine run by independent group!
magastos lang..kaya....ipa sa dyos nlng mga kaluluwa ng mga cheaters!
Impyerno na bahala sa kanila!


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Lapu2x wrote:
No source code is being destroyed!

Ginagamit yan kung may repairs...glitchers...etc!


Wag nang ipagtanggol!...any form of program can be tampered!
There's no such thing as 100% safe!

Dayaan ba? POSIBLE!


Programmer ka pre?


please reply para i know how to reply to your post.

and also i like to inform you that I am a known critic of this Administration. :)

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Lapu2x wrote:

No source code is being destroyed!

Ginagamit yan kung may repairs...glitches...etc!


sa case na to yan lang ang pwede gawin para maging almost 100% safe. hindi ko sinabing ginagawa yan ng mga IT firm



Lapu2x wrote:
any form of program can be tampered!
There's no such thing as 100% safe!

Dayaan ba? POSIBLE!


TRUE. kaya dapat mawala source code para di ma modify


Lapu2x wrote:
Paano ma prevent? a independent counting machine run by independent group!


FALSE. eto nga sabi mo oh.

There's no such thing as 100% safe!

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