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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:18 am 
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it's manny's so called legal advisers' fault. i thought they were lawyers or they know much about the law. so STUPID!!! dunno where they put their minds on. maybe on the money. that's all they saw. bunch of leeches!!!


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tol wadu you are right! arum is nothing but a scumbag!


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DobyZhee wrote:
if there's a clause in the contract, then why did Manny sign it. Who's fault is that?


This is where everything got sticky. We can't see the big picture yet. We'll find out I guess in the next couple of weeks or so. i hope this will not be dragged into a long process. Manny could be prohibited from fighting.


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Bob is a businessman, nothing personal.


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tru_warrier24 wrote:
it's manny's so called legal advisers' fault. i thought they were lawyers or they know much about the law. so STUPID!!! dunno where they put their minds on. maybe on the money. that's all they saw. bunch of leeches!!!


sad but true, I agree.


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Man i hope Pac goes with GBP!!!


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To think that promoters really care for fighters is naive. They are in there for one thing and that is to make money. That's the ugly side of boxing. I think Erik knew his time was up, he's a little smarter and he even said on the interview why get up if you know you are a beaten man. He knew if he couldnt get Manny in the early rounds or at least back him up he will not win the fight so he did a smart thing by walking away with his health intact.

True, GBP has all the fighters we want to fight while Top Rank is giving more money but you put yourself on Manny's shoes you gotta take as much as you can because he wont do this for the rest of his life. There are risks and that's where Manny is entitled to select which one he is going to take.


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Minaru ni ang iya ni Arum ya.


Arum is playing safe always, He's not a guy to promote for Manny.

Hope Golden boy wins...


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nicesly said im still in favor of PAC promoting imself haha.. the fights come to him :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:


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Actually, that part is in almost every contract for every boxer, Arum was more worried about Murad and some other inmentionables to come and try to stir things up. Not so much GBP, but also other general stuff.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:09 am 
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wadu wrote:
I think Manny should exclusively listen to Freddie. This guy has been the most loyal guy to him that demanded nothing more than to train him. If he could turn down the offer for more money and manage manny, and to say that he would give him the advice for free should show how loyal this guy is to him. The guy is sick and he should consider making a run for it but he still chooses to just be manny's trainer, touches me every time i think about it. The Pacman team should be closed down to Manny, Freddie and Buboy. And an honest lawyer, that I don't know where he would find.


i say that man would be FINKEL.


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RebzNgLA wrote:
To think that promoters really care for fighters is naive. They are in there for one thing and that is to make money. That's the ugly side of boxing. I think Erik knew his time was up, he's a little smarter and he even said on the interview why get up if you know you are a beaten man. He knew if he couldnt get Manny in the early rounds or at least back him up he will not win the fight so he did a smart thing by walking away with his health intact.

True, GBP has all the fighters we want to fight while Top Rank is giving more money but you put yourself on Manny's shoes you gotta take as much as you can because he wont do this for the rest of his life. There are risks and that's where Manny is entitled to select which one he is going to take.


there would be less money for Manny if he goes with Top Rank. Less quality opponents would mean less money. sure he would have easier opponents under Arum but he will get less money. I think what manny's boxing years will be done in a couple of years. I would have to agree with Cliff Rold that Manny should go for History. Next fights should be all meaningful, retire Barrera, Kick Marquez' ***, stop guzman on his way up
and defeat cassamayor at lightweight. These fights will not happen if he is with arum. one fight with arum is valero but ask a casual fan if they know valero and more than likely the answer will be no.


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wadu wrote:
RebzNgLA wrote:
To think that promoters really care for fighters is naive. They are in there for one thing and that is to make money. That's the ugly side of boxing. I think Erik knew his time was up, he's a little smarter and he even said on the interview why get up if you know you are a beaten man. He knew if he couldnt get Manny in the early rounds or at least back him up he will not win the fight so he did a smart thing by walking away with his health intact.

True, GBP has all the fighters we want to fight while Top Rank is giving more money but you put yourself on Manny's shoes you gotta take as much as you can because he wont do this for the rest of his life. There are risks and that's where Manny is entitled to select which one he is going to take.


there would be less money for Manny if he goes with Top Rank. Less quality opponents would mean less money. sure he would have easier opponents under Arum but he will get less money. I think what manny's boxing years will be done in a couple of years. I would have to agree with Cliff Rold that Manny should go for History. Next fights should be all meaningful, retire Barrera, Kick Marquez' ***, stop guzman on his way up
and defeat cassamayor at lightweight. These fights will not happen if he is with arum. one fight with arum is valero but ask a casual fan if they know valero and more than likely the answer will be no.



Here in CA, I know Valero as a gas station. I just learned about Valero in Pacland. He's not as popular as Barrera. I will go for EP-Barrera 2. That would be big money for EP.


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TUA'SDAD wrote:
Actually, that part is in almost every contract for every boxer, Arum was more worried about Murad and some other inmentionables to come and try to stir things up. Not so much GBP, but also other general stuff.


I am assuming negotiations can be done even before you fight your last fight with a promoter. An agreement could be reached with another promoter before you fight for your current one where the promotional rights for the new promoter will take effect after the fight. Just like Oscar explained and Freddie explained when they were asked. It's like Kobe playing for the lakers becoming a free-agent at the end of the year but start taking offers from other teams before the season ends. This way an athlete especially in kobe's and manny's statute would have a determined future because decisions like these should be given enough time to finalize. You know how Shaq received offers even before he left LA.


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Mr Bob Arum has been in this bussiness for many many years and is a master in deception look on how he convince Erik not to retire so he can satisfy his greedy ways luckily Erik was smart enough not to try and get hurt while Mr Arum was laughing all the way to the bank. I think Bob is bluffing about the contract thats why he had a worried look on his face when GBP announce the signing of Pacman. As long as Pacman is the goose that lays the golden egg Mr Arum will take good care of him till the goose stops laying the eggs then its time to eat the goose. But a fighter needs a promoter with connections like Bob that can generate a lot of cash because of his connection with Steve Wynn , HBO , east and west coast boxing and the casino in Macao, In Vegas the gosip is that Arum can offer Pacman up to 8 million to fight in Macao. GBP is also banking on giving Pacman a big payday on the Pacman vs Barrera fight but I doubt if they will be able to match Top Rank. GBP has no connection with the casinos in Macao, China. either way Pacman with his popularity will start making mega money for all his fights starting 2007 and will be the wealtiest in sports not only in the Philippines but in all of asia but yes his going to have to got to bed with either Bob or Oscar. Freddie Roach has no contacts in making that kind of money. However Pacman should only sign contracts one year at a time all the income Pacman has earned right now are peanuts compared to what his income will be next year. Thats why you have Bob, Oscar , Finkle ,all the greedy lawyers and all the filipino team pacquaio looking up his *** because he is the goose that lays the golden eggs and I feel Pacman has not fully understand his situation and still just wants to make everybody happy which spells T R O U B L E !!!!!! he needs to fire everyone at Team Pacquaio except for Buboy, Freddie Roach & Wild Card GYM staff . and just have a hire a few people he can trust and work with either GBP or TOP Rank and retire with dignity.


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