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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:54 pm 
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So Roach toured one of Matthysse's trainer in Wild Card Gym.

Matthysse's Trainer (pointing to Pacquiao's picture): "We want him"

Freddie Roach: "I would love for you to have him."

Manny Pacquiao: "I want Matthysse."

Golden Boy Promotion's President Eric Gomez: "Let's do it, no problem."

Fight fans: "Pacquiao vs. Matthysse is a PPV headliner not Crawford vs Horn."

Bob Arum: "I see he has talked about fighting Matthysse, but that’s not gonna happen."

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-crawford-horn-pacquiao-alvarado-headed-vegas-not-msg--125223

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:10 pm 
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Right, terrible fight, people will just keep losing interest in Pacman. These are boxing people who follow the sport very well.

On the other hand, the Pacquiao name is still strong, and I am sure millions of people will still watch a Pacquiao fight. These are people who are not really following boxing, but they sure know a good name when they see it, and inevitably will watch the fight. These are the people who outnumber boxing pundits, and really count when it comes to PPV.

I don't know what's up with Pacman, maybe to get his $10 million, Arum has to pay Alvarado a very small amount. Matthysse might ask for more. Top Rank says - ok, Lucas it is, but you take $7 million only :lol:. Pacman says - What, ok, Max Alvarado it is ... errr, Mike.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:36 am 
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A-c-t-u-a-l-l-y Arum is known to be a genius. He will not peed his boys to deeee aaaaah lions when he knows dey can no longer pull deeee aaaaah trigger a-l-s-o. :) Corrections: the word "also" should not be used at the end of a sentence but before the predicate or verb.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:32 pm 
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Sad story... Pacquiao is denied to fight for a non-WBO world welterweight title by Arum... :? For the nth time...

Correct me if I'm wrong, I remember Arum denied Pacquiao to fight Senchenko in Europe for a unification in 2011 and chose JMM fight instead... Another incident was in 2014 when Arum chose Algieri over Khan.... Worst, choosing a then-unheralded Horn instead of Khan or Broner last year, only for Pacquiao to be robbed...

While Alvarado is a way better choice now than Horn before, the significance isn't there...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:57 pm 
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Yeah. This totally sucks.

When Marquez appeared jacked to the gills before the last fight against Pacquiao, Roach and team Pacquiao as a whole suspected something and demanded additional drug testing. Arum came up with BS excuses that he knows nothing about it or was not informed immediately and would've agreed to it. Well, Pacquiao laid flat on the canvas as a result.

Obviously, Pacquiao is demanding big money fights and fights that people want to see.

If you pit Pacquiao vs Matthysse against Crawford vs Horn, same time, you'll know which fight will bite the dust.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:36 am 
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Pac-Pastor should really call it quits if he can't even fight Matthyse. That is an easy fight to make yet he will hide behind his master Arum.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:52 am 
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Subversive wrote:
Pac-Pastor should really call it quits if he can't even fight Matthyse. That is an easy fight to make yet he will hide behind his master Arum.


It's not that he wants to hide though... It's Arum who "forces" him to hide... Pacquiao's fault here is that he just let Arum to hide him...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:27 am 
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TAMA si Mayweather dapat MAG-SARILI na SYA. Pwede na kaya?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:16 am 
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vicus2005 wrote:
TAMA si Mayweather dapat MAG-SARILI na SYA. Pwede na kaya?


Pwede naman... Kaya naman nya... Masyado lang loyal dun sa matanda...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:40 pm 
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Sobra-sobra na dami niyang nabigay na pera kay ARUM. Hindi na kawalang utang-na-loob kapag kumalas na siya sa matanda. Tsaka sabi din Mayweather 80 anyos na sya aanhin pa ba niya ang pera.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:52 pm 
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It is very annoying that Pacman is being fed opponents that are not worthy. Horn turned the tables though lol. Pacman team did not prepare well for such a big guy thinking he was nothing. Horn showed how to use his big elbows, and more.

Maybe Alvarado will beat pacman too ? Well, I guess we should just consider it as a tune-up, for his eventual fight against either Crawford or Horn.

I watched Rios vs Garcia, it's a different world there. Porter, Thurman ... Al Haymon and Top Rank will never match their fighters I guess ....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:18 am 
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vicus2005 wrote:
Sobra-sobra na dami niyang nabigay na pera kay ARUM. Hindi na kawalang utang-na-loob kapag kumalas na siya sa matanda. Tsaka sabi din Mayweather 80 anyos na sya aanhin pa ba niya ang pera.


It's not about the money. It's about the game. It's about manipulation and taking control of the people involved in boxing and the sport as a whole.

I even remember an article on Arum being salty on how Cotto was able to maximize his earnings after leaving Top Rank.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:02 am 
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Pacquiao can't outfox the sly Arum.

After the Blunder in Brisbane, legendary Manny Pacquiao, beaten, bloodied, bewildered, cried out he had been set-up.
He did not single out the culprit. But Pacquiao obviously meant veteran promoter Bob Arum.

Arum would coolly shrug off indirect accusations.

http://sports.inquirer.net/263891/can-s ... y-bob-arum


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:59 am 
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"It's not about the money. It's about the game. It's about manipulation and taking control of the people involved in boxing and the sport as a whole."

With due respect to you sir, why then he would want to manipulate and control the boxing sports as a whole? Wala lang or just to feed his ego and/or brag to the world about it? Besides it is impossible to control a thing as huge as sports of boxing where filthy rich and absolutely influential people love to converge.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:17 pm 
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Pacquiao fighting on Crawford vs Horn undercard is a slap in the face

February 18, 2018 By Freddy Fresco

As a fan of Manny Pacquiao I was excited to hear the news, he will fight again, but saddened at the possibility of him fighting on the undercard of Terence Crawford vs. Jeff Horn on ESPN PPV.

Putting a legend like Pacquiao on the undercard of a PPV to lesser known draws is a slap in the face, he isn’t completely washed up like Roy Jones Jr. and still a much bigger name than Crawford and Horn.

Top Rank is using Pacquiao’s name to sell the fight on posters and commercials, fans will buy the PPV thinking he will be the main event. Top Rank is hoping those who ordered for Manny will stay to watch Crawford vs. Horn, basically forcing the public to watch the main event since they already paid to see Pacquiao fight.

The winner of Crawford vs. Horn will face Pacquiao next, that is the goal and the likely winner should be Crawford, he is the future of Top Rank along with Vasyl Lomachenko.

The truth of the matter is most boxers are at the whim of their promoter. Bob Arum only loves fighters who obey him, all of the stuff he says in the media is basic publicity.

Arum says pretty much every boxer at one point in time is greater than so and so. He said Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao were all the best he ever seen while he promoted them in their primes.

Now Vasyl Lomachenko and Terence Crawford are receiving the same promotional hype by Arum, claiming they are the best he’s seen since Muhammad Ali.

The one thing you have to give Floyd Mayweather credit for is his ability to not become a statistic in boxing, he said it many times that he will never let boxing retire him, he has shown that the fighter is the main draw and has been able to control his own career path since leaving Top Rank.

Manny Pacquiao is at the tail end of his career, he is no longer the massive draw on Pay-Per-View that he once was, and losing a controversial decision to Jeff Horn in Australia was another step back for the legend.



Arum has promotional rights to Jeff Horn, and Pacquiao is so loyal to Arum that he obeys anything he suggests, like going over to an unknown fighters hometown to defend his WBO welterweight title. Why would a big name legend go to hostile territory? The worst thing happened and he got robbed in broad day light in the challengers backyard.

Pacquiao is just an obedient employee and has no realization that Arum is just using him, he is going to put Pacquiao in with either Vasyl Lomachenko or Terence Crawford should he beat Horn, and hope that one of these talented young guns beats Manny up impressively in front of millions of viewers to create a new star.

This is a similar thing that happened when both Mayweather and Pacquiao fought and beat PPV star Oscar De La Hoya, they both became international draws. The only difference is they had the “IT” factor, we don’t know if Crawford or Lomachenko can capture the audience interest like Floyd and Manny.

Other fighters have beaten Oscar De La Hoya, and never became superstars on Pay-Per-View, but Mayweather with his bad guy image was able to get people to watch and see him lose live, while Pacquiao shined bright because of his ferocious fighting style and won fans over that way.

There is no guarantee that Crawford or Lomachenko will become PPV stars beating Pacquiao, but this is the way things go, the young lion beats the old lion, its a passing of the torch. Out with the old, in with the new.

I hope Pacquiao retires soon, he deserves more respect than to be treated as a stepping stone.

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