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Baka ito yun bro, baka lang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWUuQhX6rHY

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Nice documentary. Tnx

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― Albert Einstein

Pacquiao can be likened to a blitz player, smashing opponents with sheer speed and force.

Mayweather and Marquez may be similar to a calculating, strategic and patient chess player who can play for hours.

Pacquiao was Tal before when he was agressive. But now plays more like Capablanca winning via SD or UD.

Fair points bros.

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Helven,
I agree with your analogy Pacquiao is to Tal and Mayweather is to Karpov. The lifetime score between Tal and Karpov is 1 win for Karpov and 16 draws. Having said that, do you think Floyd have a bit of advantage if he fight with Manny? Just a guessing game for the sake of discussion.

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It depends on what version of Pacquiao will enter the ring. If it's the fiercely determined Pacquiao who showed up with Cotto and one who has improved in cutting off the ring- yes, he has a slight advantage. I go with Al Bernstein's theory that Manny has strong chances of winning the judges' nods on account of his workrate. A boxer who minimally throws an average of 40 to 50 punches per round with great accuracy against a slugger who fires away more than twice that amount has more chances of connecting. Granting Manny passes through Floyd's defense. However, Manny averages less than 70 punches per round against a slower counter puncher like Marquez. So it's easier said than done but styles make fights. I'm hoping Manny to feint and move his head a little bit more when coming in and be a little tight on his defense. Most importantly, he must not play into Floyd's rhythm. Don't get tentative because the moment he hesitates on his attack, he will be sucked into Floyd's tempo. Relative to the topic, Manny will certainly lose the fight if he plays chess with a ring Grandmaster. Kasparov was effective against Karpov because he was able to succeed in complicating the positions his opponent was uncomfortable with. The ridiculous number of draws between Karpov(positional) and Tal (attacker) could be attributed to their friendly terms and they met at a time when Tal was already on the decline due to poor health. Key factor for Manny to win the fight is to be consistently aggresive, put a lot of pressure to distract Floyd away from his game plan. He cannot beat Floyd in a chess match. With reach shorter by 4 inches, not a chance Manny will win it fighting from a distance.

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Very nice commentary and analysis. i'm beginning to be a fan of yours. Regarding your renaissance thread, you failed to mention DAVID PINOY, although i disagree on some of his posts, I certainly like his decency on the way he responded to those who disagreed with him. Don't be mistaken by TRUE PINOY and DAVID PINOY, both are different person.
Boxing, like chess, I think Manny should concentrate well on beating Floyd. No distraction, and had he not entered politics, I will have no doubt that he will beat Floyd. Allow me to rephrase Siegbert Tarrasch's famous words, " Boxing like love, like music, has the power to make men happy."

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What a post! If you love chess, this is a great read and you wish it were longer.

TS, your passion for chess shows, and it's something we share.

I say chess and boxing are similar in that they are both individual, mental sports. While chess is purely mental boxing, however, is both mental and physical. Boxing requires the body to carry out what the mind commands.

As chess is slow, deliberate, and all mental a chess game is a heightened experience. Fear and pain take on greater proportions as they do in other sports. Chess takes psychological stress to a different level. Boxing, on the other hand, is much too fast for psychological stress and physical pain to be felt by its combatants. You have no time to suffer in boxing, and you get caught in the moment and only fight.

I have been playing chess since my scholastic days, and I have also boxed with former professionals, although for fitness only. As far as my experience goes, boxing is nowhere as vicious as chess. I don’t mean, however, that boxers are only half the warrior that chess players are. Chess is all bestiality, and it’s a fact even that some of the game’s greatest champions succumbed to the psychological stress of serious play – Morphy, Steinitz, Rubintein, Fischer – although arguably they were simply geniuses everyone quite misunderstood. Sadly, chess belies its true nature, and has lacked corporate sponsorship. It has not become a spectator sport for all the wrong reasons.

Pardon my bias for chess, but whatever their differences chess and boxing are for everyone to enjoy. Watching boxing’s greatest – Ali, Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Manny, Floyd is no less artistically pleasing than playing the games of chess’ greatest - Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine, Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov.

nice bro.

you should post more. we need more people like you.

Boris Spassky----> Manny Pacquiao --both are gentlemen but ferocious attacking player.

Bobby Fischer----> Floyd Mayweather--both a-hole racist genius but great defensive-attacking genius player-
( hihintayin ko na lang na makulong at masiraan ng ulo si Floyd tapos kumpleto na hawig.)

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If boxing is like a chess game, then here's my classifications:

Super-grandmasters:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Sugar Ray Leonard

GrandMasters:
1. Oscar Dela Hoya
2. Roberto Duran
3. Tommy Hearns
4. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
5. Marvin Hagler

International Masters:
1. The Klitscho brothers
2. Mike Tyson
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Rocky Marciano
5. Archie Moore

National Masters:
1. Sugar Shane Mosley
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Hector Camcho
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Pernell Whitaker

nice thread bro Helven!

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who is going to checkmate Floyda?