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But u are having trouble interpreting mental weakness and self-preservation.

Lets not go too far kuya...I just shared my observation on weather why Cotto abandoned his jab in response to the topic of this thread....I also gave you the link of my comparison on how Pac answers Cotto's jab...

thats all, I thank you! have a good day

Your video shows that it was Manny's right hand either the hook or a jab , not the left hand, which tagged Cotto everytime the Puerto Rican lowers his left guard or attempts to jab. In one sequence, Cotto attempted a blocking motion with his left hand as Manny feinted with a right jab.

Round 1 - 0:22 Manny slips in a jab over Cotto's left hand
0:30 Manny fires a right hook over Cotto's left hand
And this is just in the initial stages of the fight.

There are numerous sequences which show Manny firing the right or faking the right hand. If anything it isn't the left which dissuades or makes Cotto hesitate to fire the jab, it's the right hand because as soon as Cotto fires the left jab, it leaves him open for the right hand over the jab.
Check your video again. The left hand is thrown thru the middle not Cotto's left or right side.

And where does the left hand go thru? Right in the middle. Not the left or right side. The orthodox jabber exposes his left side. And this is basic.
You talk of basic. Here's basic.




So the southpaw throws his own RIGHT JAB as the orthodox's fighter arm is coming back. Review your video again and see how Cotto exposes his left side as soon as he throws the jab and how Manny counters with his own right hand.

I think Austin Trout did a far better job beating Cotto, than Mayweather did. Even though Mayweather won that fight, Cotto made him pay for that win by going after him all night. Floyd can't handle that much pressure, that's why he lost the first Castillo fight.

Based on Cotto's last performance against Trout, I think he should call it a day and let the youngsters takeover the 154 division. And based on Floyd's last performance against Cotto, I think Pac will still win by KO if they ever make the fight happen. Just sayin'.

I agree that Austin did a better job and agree that Floyds style will always have a hard time against them "good" pressure fighters..

I always thougth Manny will KO Floyd..I still believe he can do it..the pressure will be too much for a defensive minded fighter like Floyd..being too defensive and cant able to move his legs the way it was when hes still fighting in the lower weight division will cost him the fight...IMO Floyd will give Manny a good fight if he still can move those legs the way it used to.

You got it all wrong kuya...
Round 1 - 0:29 meaning the last 29secs of round 1, not the first 29secs of the video....

here, watch it again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08kUTlcjCfU
Round 1 - 0:29
Round 2 - 2:00, 1:58, 1:46
Round 3 - 2:29, 1:50, 1:17
Im talking about the "round time" not the time in the video

Here are the example pics of Pac doing that punch.






Kuya, your example is just one of the choices you can do/use to utilize orthodox jab if your a southpaw..
But i would pick left straight/cross(dont ask me again about that cross and straight thing, i explained that to you before already) to counter orthodox jabs coz its more devastating at pogi tingnan, astig ang dating

It's you who got it wrong. I watched the video and even in the initial stages, Pacquiao was using the right hand whether as a hook or a jab whenever Cotto drops his left guard or fires a jab and exposes his left side. That left hand goes thru the middle even in the pics that you showed. It goes thru the space between the two hands of the opponent. The left jab exposes the left side of the boxer. How do you defend against a punch going thru the middle? You either tuck your elbows together , duck, or move your head sideways. You fire either hand, the left or the right, or you allow for a gap and you're vulnerable to a punch thrown thru the pipe.
Manny's right hand was very active during that fight either as a hook or a jab.



You're talking of basic, right. Read anything on basic countering and it will always mention that the easiest and most basic way to counter a jab is to throw your own before the opponent's arm comes back to protect his head.
Let me repost your statement.



I think it's you who should read up on your basics.
And remember that the first knockdown was caused by a right hand. Merchant's own words in that video "trying to use the right over the left".

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Why do you always have to make it hard for me everytime?! im bleeding my nose already

here kuya simple as this.....We are talking about the counters that Manny used for Cotto's jabs..You keep bringing the right hook and jab but you failed to see Pac countering Cotto's jabs with his left straights? You didnt see Manny leading with his left in the 2nd and 3rd round of the fight?

Count the frequency of Manny's right hands everytime Cotto drops his guard or unleashes his jabs against the number of times that he used the left hand. You provided the video and only blind people would not notice that Pacquiao prepared for Cotto's jab by using the right hand with far more frequency than the left hand.
You used isolated instances when Manny used the left straight where there are multiple circumstances when Manny unleashed the right hand against the Cotto jab. Even Merchant noticed that Manny was using the right over Cotto's left hand.
You talk of boxing basics and Manny was being very basic when he used his own right hand to neutralize or discourage Cotto from opening up with the left jab. Your very own video disputes your own contention. And that first knockdown was caused by a right hand.
Start counting Pacquiao's right hand against Cotto's jab vis-a-vis Manny's left , and you'll notice a huge discrepancy. And you said leading, and that definitely is not countering. Read up on your boxing basics.
At saka yong mga sagot mo halatang nagpapalusot ka lang. Yong mismong video mo, halos puro kanan ang binitawan ni Manny pag bumabato si Cotto ng jab kasi nga exposed yong left side ni Cotto. You're always insisting on that left straight. Eh panahon pa ni kopong kopong binibitawan na ni Manny yang suntok na yan. Halos lahat ng laban ni Manny yan ang bread and butter punch niya.

WOW!!! I cant believe it! Ei, thats what you get for entering a conversation you are not even part of...Me and Lildevalt are talking about how Trout disabled Cotto's jab, then it turn out to how did Pac utilized Cotto's jab that i observed Trout also did in the Cotto fight...Lildevalt and I are not even talking about the knockdowns in Pac Cotto fight..and my argument was the left straight that Manny used for to answer some of Cotto's jabs in the particular rounds i showed you that I also notice Trout did to Cotto's jabs,kaya malamang lang na ung suntok (left straight) na un yung mga ipinapakita ko sayo sa video na binigay ko sayo at kung tlagang tiningnan mo nga ung mga round time na binigay ko sayo eh mga left straight ang binibitawan dun ni Manny wala kang makikitang hooks sa mga time mark n un! Pero never kong sinabi na hindi rin si manny gumamit ng right hook sa laban n yun...

kastress magreply kuya ndi mo nmn ata naiintindihan ingles ko...

And LIldevalt didn't agree with you.
Eh siempre. What fight of Manny did he not use the left straight? He practically threw that punch in all his fights and now you're telling us that he used it to disable Cotto's jab.
Kahit hindi jumajab ang kalaban ni Manny binibitawan niya yong left straight KANYA NGA LEAD LEFT ANG TAWAG.. Of course, you'll find moments in the fight, in fact, most of Manny's fights where he threw that left down the pipe. Against Marquez, Barrera, Morales, Dela Hoya, Diaz ,etc.
What was being discussed was Manny's counter against the jab of Cotto and that right was specifically meant as a counterpunch to the Cotto jab and not the left straight as you kept on insisting even in a previous thread. Sabi mo pa nga adjustment. Paanong adjustment eh palagi ngang binibitawan ni Manny yong kaliwa at expected na yon ng sinomang makalaban niya. Simple lang. Bilangin mo yong bitaw ng kanan ni Manny tuwing jajab si Cotto o ibaba niya yong kaliwang guard niya. It was obvious that the right hand was being used to neutralize Cotto's jab or discourage Miguel from throwing it.
Those moments in your video against Cotto will duplicate similar instances in most of Manny's fights EVEN IF THE OPPONENT IS NOT JABBING. You can't even distinguish the difference between a lead punch and a counterpunch. Tapos sasabihan mo kami ng boxing basics eh ikaw ata ang di nakakaintindi.
Ayan tinagalog ko na. At saka huwag ka ngang magpalusot. Ikaw yong nagsingit nong laban ni Pacquiao kay Cotto and LIldevalt didn't agree with you even on that score.
And when you talk about that fight, the first knockdown was part of the fight.
Ibig mong sabihin if there is a discussion between two posters in this forum, it's exclusive to them, hindi pwedeng mag express ng opinion yong iba. I don't see that being the rule of thumb in this forum, kanya nga FORUM.

Ok...Let me refresh your memory kuya ha?!

LIldevalt and I are talking then you quote me first..this is what you quote from me....




then i answer you with this...



then this is what you said.....



Now....since this is where all started...let me ask you this question....
Since you keep on talking about "jab over his jab" counter and the "right hook"....Have you ever heard of this "Left cross when he jabs" basic counter? If you know it,why you keep on talking about the right hooks when im clearly talking about the other counter manny used for cottos jab which is the left straight..whats your point?!



Wala akong sinabi kuya na bawal makisali sa usapan gumagawa ka nmn ng sarili mong ikagagalit sakin... ang sakin lang bago ka nakisali sana alam mo na pinaguusapan namin.......

Let me refresh your memory too. Didn't you just say?



How can a counterpunch and a lead punch be the same unless you're revising textbook boxing. Now you're speaking about the other counter that Manny used when previously you said that

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You made it appear that the left lead was solely responsible for allegedly disabling the Cotto jab when it was the right hand which Manny threw with greater frequency against the left jab.
So was it the left lead or the left counter?

Wala ba, eh anong ibig sabihin nito



Ups careful sa choice of words, tapos deny to death.