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How many rounds do you think Marquez won against Pacquaio for JMM to win the fight?

Maybe we don't like Pinoys with american accent.

Name them pls..

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like pacman, i love donaire.. he's got style.. i just dont like it when he talks too much before a fight has started like predicting a KO and whatnot.. some may just say that "yeah! so what? he backs it up during fight night".. but what if he fails? what if he lose? would he be humble enough to accept a loss like pacman did?.. i'm starting to think he's going to talk a lot more and make excuses which i hope not...


GO donaire!!

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styles make fights

6 rounds each, but MP scored a knockdown.. so 114-113 MP.

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"You may be a cunning linguist, but I'm a master debater!"
-Sir Augustine Danger Powers, KBE

Exactly! and the only way JMM can win that fight is if he won 8 rounds out of 12, 7 out of 12 will make the score even, a draw. So, if the logic is JMM won that fight then JMM would have won 8 rounds out of 12 and the fight won't be considered a close fight anymore like what everyone is saying.

i like donaire for saying that ...
he speaks his mind ... and he is just being himself ...

well, he used to be a true person
nowadays i think he is hesitating already on what to say
he is boring when he opens his mouth

same thing for pacquaio, everytime he talks,
all he says is rubbish. scripted at best

people can be so fake

This is how I scored it:
Rds 1 & 2 - Marquez clearly won these rounds
Rd 3 - Pacquiao won this (10-8 because of the KD)
Rd 4 - I think this was pretty close but I had to give this to Marquez because of how their punches landed
Rds 5 & 6 - Marquez clearly won these
Rd 7 - This was a close round but since I'm a Pacquiao fan I had to give this to him
Rd 8 - Marquez clearly won this
Rds 9 & 10 - Pacquiao clearly won these
Rd 11 - I gave this to Pacquiao but it was a close round
Rd 12 - If rounds could be scored as even this was clearly one of those, but I gave this to Marquez because he looked to have put more effort to win this round.

Based on the above observation, I gave it a 114-113 score in favor of Marquez (7 rounds against 5 of Pacquiao).

Notes: Marquez was winning the 3rd round until an accidental headbutt temporarily slowed him down for the rest of the round. It made him slow enough to get caught by Pacquiao's fast hands. Similarly, Marquez was winning the 7th round until another headbutt slowed him down.

what i dont like in Nonito are few small things that can easily be imrpoved...pardon me guys for this one

1st, he lets his Family name announced with American pronounciation and accent..disgusting,American hugger...he has all the right to tell them his family name should be said DO-NAY-RE...

speaking so much English in interviews on PHILIPPINE TV is not charming at all,he better copy Pacquiao,YOU KNOW..HMM..I MEAN...hehe
and last, his rift with his father shld also be fixed, personal issues are part of a man's personality..so its important specially to Filipinos who values family values so much...

so, my verdict ON nONITO...Filipinos(excluding the so-called Filamericans who have pure filipino parents anyway) adore him 100% for his fighting style, but only 30% for the charm and personality acceptable by the Filipino masses..so he needs to some more..

its high time to creat a new boxing forum exclusively for the filipino flash,and lets see how many fans will join in.

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..talking too much is just the way I don't like him but not hate him. A pinoy pride do not talk too much even He is good in boxing. Only PACMAN I can be proud of..

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"...cause we're living in the world of fools breaking us down when they all should let us be we belong to you and me.." - Manny pacquiao.

If we will follow your observation that JMM won 7 rounds out of 12 as follows:
Round 1= 10-9 JMM
Round 2= 10-9 JMM
Round 3= 10-8 PAC
Round 4= 10-9 JMM
Round 5= 10-9 JMM
Round 6= 10-9 JMM
Round 7= 10-9 PAC
Round 8= 10-9 JMM
Round 9= 10-9 PAC
Round 10 10-9 PAC
Round 11 10-9 PAC
Round 12 10-9 JMM

That's still a draw score with Pac's KD over JMM in the 3rd round.

You have to give JMM 8 rounds to win over Pac, that will be stretching it.
You can't give excuses about headbutts slowing down JMM because it can affect both fighters....most observers give them 6 rounds each and with a KD on 3rd by Pac to JMM, that gives him a point advantage over...that's without bias.

And there is a logical reason behind this "Real Filipino" thing...

Filipinos here in the Philippines don't actually like fellow Filipinos who they deem as whitewashed or too Americanized, If a person claims to be "Pilipino" then Filipinos here expect to see them act accordingly as a Filipino, they expect you to possess the same values that all Filipinos have or give importance to things that most Filipinos cherish, here are some examples:
Filipinos see the Family as one of the most important, Religion or god also is important to Filipinos wether you're a christian or a muslim Filipino, respect to elders, Kahihiyan/Delicadeza, Smooth Interpersonal Relations (non-confrontational solving of disputes with in Filipino community) look this up, this is the exact opposite of "confrontations" in western culture... Donaire's being too "madaldal" or saying whatever is on top of his mind, (which is typical of American culture by the way), does not help either, because of this tendencies... he is often seen as "mayabang" or braggart.

It's easy as this:
If you act like a Filipino, talk like a Filipino, look like a Filipino, your values are Filipino, then most probably... you're a Filipino; the same also goes with... If you act like American, talk like American, look like an American, your values are American/western, then most likely you're an American. (take note: values play an important role on this one)

Filipino athletes who enjoy the greatest support from the Filipino people, are the ones who choose to represent the Filipino people the best, with the use of their extraordinary skills and showcase of Filipino values, like Efren Reyes of billiards (really humble and nice guy but very talented in billiards, all billiard champions all over the world adore and idolize Efren, an ATG), Manny Pacquiao (humble and kind person, god fearing person but also very talented in boxing, a future ATG), Gabriel Flash Elorde (Nice and humble guy, hall of fame in boxing); I also have to mention that, this people choose to represent the Philippines and Filipino people even though they are offered a citizenship and probably a better life by the USA, this great Filipinos chose to decline the offer and represent their people instead, no matter what... I can't say the same with Nonito and Viloria though, when they were given the chance to represent a country in the olympics, they choose to represent the USA, but now that Pacquiao has uplifted the Pilipino trademark in the world of boxing, Nonito and Viloria suddenly wave and carry the Philippine flag... this is the same problem which Oscar Dela Hoya encountered with the Mexican people aside from his bout with JCC.

Case in point:
You're a Filipino through thick and thin, there is no in between; you can't claim to be Filipino when it's just convenient for you. (take note: Pilipinos always remember/ keep tabs regarding this things).

It is also a question of "Where does your loyalty lie?"

As we all know, the Philippines have our fair share of wars in the past just like it's neighbors in Asia, and because of this Filipinos here in the Philippines, often ask or think... If ever we get attacked/invaded by a larger country, for example China or America, Filipinos here ask themselves... "Will this Fil-Ams who claim to be Filipinos now while we're on top, will this same Fil-Ams go back to the Philippines to help out or fight with us side by side? or will they just deny and ignore the plight of their own people and claim only to be Filipino when it's convenient for them? Will they sacrifice their comfortable life abroad just to be in a wartorn land and defend the Philippines?"

This is a real question and dilemma which is not unique to Filipinos and is also asked by other nationalities among themselves, when USA attacked Afghanistan and to some point borders of Pakistan, young Pakistanis who grew up in the U.K. are the ones going back to Afghanistan to become freedom fighters or suicide bombers, the point here is... their motherland (Afghanistan/Pakistan) needs them and they willingly heed the call of their mother as good sons and daughters.

During WW2, Pilipino farmers in USA, went back here to the Philippines to fight the invading Japanese Army... this old Pilipino veterans are real sons/daughters of the Philippines, their mother is in distress and they go back to help her.

Case in point:
Fil-foreign/Fil-Ams have Filipino blood flowing in them, and therefore are considered as Philippines sons/daughters, considered as Filipinos, but... the real test of knowing who the "true" sons/daughters of their motherland is... when your mother (Philippines) is in danger and is calling out for your help, her only children that come for her aid are the only ones to be considered as her "true" sons and daughters... "True" Pilipino's.

There is also the hypothetical question of:

"If Philippines and USA go to war against each other, who will the Fil-Ams fight for?

This is an intriguing question asked by American expats living here in the Philippines, most of them love their life here in the Philippines, most choose to stay, but you'll be surprised with the answers in this discussions, on the comments section... the founder of the site is a friendly expat, with a Filipina wife and kids, he also loves the Philippines so much, so please refrain from leaving unsavory comments in his site.

Link here: http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/2010/01/where-do-your-loyalties-lie/

This post does not intend to ostracize Fil-Ams/Fil-foreign but instead, this are just few of the insights I can think of, to answer the title of the thread... this are actually thoughts to ponder... I still believe that, as long as we're united we are strong.

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"...awaken your consciousness of our past, already effaced from our memory, and to rectify what has been falsified and slandered."
-Jose Rizal, from his 1889 essay, 'To the Filipinos'
"We will rise again" - Manny Pacquiao

Nonito's english accent doesn't even sound 'whitewashed'. He has a slight pinoy accent and is bilingual. All those mestiso tagalog artistas you all look up to are more whitewashed than him with their soap whiteners, etc..

and he should NOT "copy" Pacquiao in the way he speaks, wtf? He is his own person. Why copy someone else?? Let him speak the way he speaks. He speaks english in Pinoy TV because he's not that fluent in tagalog, though he tries. he is BISAYA and he is very fluent in that dialect.

Dude... no body here said about Nonitos accent being "whitewashed". no body here wants Nonito to immitate Pacquiaos accent either.

So keep your cool.

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"...awaken your consciousness of our past, already effaced from our memory, and to rectify what has been falsified and slandered."
-Jose Rizal, from his 1889 essay, 'To the Filipinos'
"We will rise again" - Manny Pacquiao