Pacland's Philippine Boxing Forum

When asked by Kellerman who Nonito wants to fight next, he only mentioned
Nishioka, Mares, and Arce but circumvented Rigo in his wish list.

Nonito boasted that he wanted to be the undisputed 122 lb champion. Kellerman
countered with the question...."Don't you have to win all 4 belts to be that."
Nonito cleverly answered, "No, you only need 3 belts". The 122 lb WBA belt is held
by Rigo....so I guess we know why Nonito's definition of undisputed champion is
3 belts instead of 4.

_________________

Lakers thread....where the haters don't believe in offseason

One should need only to get at least three of the 4-major championship belts to be called undisputed champion. However, it is much better if he can unify all the four belts (WBC, WBA, WBC & IBF). If he can do that, I think it will be the first time in the history boxing that someone accomplished such fate.

_________________

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

Did Nonito really say that?


since WBO is now recognized.( commanding a little attention ). its logical that it should be 4.

Undisputed means nobody is disputing for the recognition. if there's another belt holder in the division besides you, it simply means that you are not undisputed.

---

Originally it was just the WBA

then it became WBA and WBC

and then IBF sprouted in 1983 with the help of Larry Holmes and Dodie Penalosa.


now WBO is commanding attention because a number of stars likes to fight for their belt because i think they have the cheapest santioning fees and its negotiable.

_________________
"When a table is normalized, the non-key columns depend on the key, the whole key, and nothing but the key."

undisputed means you hold majority of the belts. there are 4 major sanctioning bodies. so majority is 1/2 + 1. that's 3 belts. if you will get all the 4 belts, you will be called unified champion

_________________
i'm a genius. no one can deny it. ak ak ak

Yes, he said that. I went to the fight and when I heard it....I automatically knew
on why he did not mention Rigo.

Nonito now holds the WBO and IBF belt...while Nishioka has the WBC and Rigo the WBA.
I remember when he was still fighting at 118 and saying that he wanted to unify all 4 belts to
become the undisputed 118 lb champion. I guess at 122, 3 means undisputed.

_________________

Lakers thread....where the haters don't believe in offseason

pre

sa word pa lang na undisputed ma de define na natin na apat dapat kasi wala dapat ibang champion.


huling nangyari to ke Hopkins ata hawak nya lima( 4 + Ring) after obliterating Tito Trinidad.


naging recognized kasi ng media ang WBO na dating minor lang. since independent sa isat isa ang mga yan, wala talagang ruling na pwede gawin tungkol sa pagiging 'undisputed'


tagal ko na ding nakipagbangayan sa ibang forum tungkol sa topic na to

still your opinion is as good as mine


wala bang fans tong si Rigo? bat ayaw ni Nonito labanan?

_________________
"When a table is normalized, the non-key columns depend on the key, the whole key, and nothing but the key."

High risk.....low reward. Rigo has no following whatsoever, but the same
thing can be said about Mathebula. Rigo is the only fighter at 122 that
has a chance against him....but Nonito just refuses to fight him.

_________________

Lakers thread....where the haters don't believe in offseason

Business-wise daw hindi viable ang Donaire vs Rigo kasi wala pang masyadong fan base ang Cuban. Sabi nga ni Arum noon boxing is not only about fighting, it is also business.

So it's better for Rigo to fight Mares first then the winner (who will have 2 belts also) will face Donaire.

_________________

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

yap, I agree on your undisputed answers bros.

actually Mares is the WBC interim belt holder while Nishioka is the WBC emeritus champ in the same division (122).
This is one of those complexities having 4 sanctioning bodies having their own rules and agenda. Medyo magulo, what if Nonito defeated both Rigo and Nishioka before Mares, can he be called the undisputed champ at 122? What if WBC decided to award the full title to Mares which WBC and the other ABCs is known for stripping belts without proper merits. This is the reason why we seldom see now a boxer status as undisputed and I can't even recall anymore when was the last we have an undisputed champ in any division.

_________________
“The fight is won or lost far away from the witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road; long before I dance under those lights.” -Muhammad Ali

So I guess Nonito is better off fighting Rigo since it's not clear who the WBC champion is....

_________________

Lakers thread....where the haters don't believe in offseason

well if he really wants to be the undisputed @ 122 rigo and mares can make him that feat but some will still cry out that Nishioka is the number 1 @ 122. magulo talaga, fight them all na lang one at a time

_________________
“The fight is won or lost far away from the witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road; long before I dance under those lights.” -Muhammad Ali

I My opinion.. Donaire can defeat anybody whether its Rigondeux or Mares or Nishioka fs he can add combination punches to follow up to his power shots and be consistent in his body punches time to time. He does not need to be very dependent one punch KO power all the time. We know he can pack a punch and power in both hands especially with that lethal Left hook of his but what I said before. He need to be more reliable to his punches and do combos. He has the skill sets and athleticism to be a great champion in boxing. A star on his own right. Can't wait for him to have the chance to fight the likes of Juanma Lopez, Salido, Chris John or maybe known boxers in the higher weight division

_________________
"A plant without a flower is like a man without a lover"

WBC already awarded the full title to Mares. Nishioka was forced to give up his belt by the WBC because he want to rest longer, in returned he was named WBC Super Bantamweight Champion Emeritus.

When Mares fought Morel it was for the full WBC bantamweight title and not for the Silver title.

_________________

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

As far as I know, nowadays there are four major titles per division... So he needs four...

The only boxer I know to held all major titles at the same time in single division is Bernard Hopkins (WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO + The Ring and IBO)...

He needs to beat Rigondeaux (WBA) and Mares (WBC) to become the Undisputed champion of the Jr. Featherweight division... Then fighting The Ring No. 1 Jr. Featherweight Nishioka can give him his first lineal title and The Ring title...

Since the IBO title is vacant, he can fight Arce for this one if they want...

_________________
Andre Ward is the true No. 1 Pound-for-pound boxer today...