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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:09 am 
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I just want to know if ever Donaire beat Rigondeaux and Mares and capture their titles this coming year, will he become the recognized undisputed champion at 122-pounds? Donaire already vacated the IBF title but has the WBO and with The Ring as the lineal title... Does he need the IBF title again? Thanks! :)

Just want to be clarified... :peace:

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To able to become undisputed champion you have to win the major titles WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO plus The Ring.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:43 pm 
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boxing_the_no1_sport wrote:
To able to become undisputed champion you have to win the major titles WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO plus The Ring.


The ring championship is nice but it's not exactly a part of the requirement.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:48 pm 
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thedarkdragon11 wrote:
I just want to know if ever Donaire beat Rigondeaux and Mares and capture their titles this coming year, will he become the recognized undisputed champion at 122-pounds? Donaire already vacated the IBF title but has the WBO and with The Ring as the lineal title... Does he need the IBF title again? Thanks! :)

Just want to be clarified... :peace:


Winning it but losing it outside the ring is inconsequential.

Look at Lennox Lewis who unified the heavyweight title. He lost the WBA version due to technicality but still he's the universally recognized undisputed champion.

So if Donaire beats Mares and Rigo next year, he's the undisputed champion at 122, no doubt, regardless what the IBF champion would say.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:20 pm 
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JudgeHenryVerniz wrote:
thedarkdragon11 wrote:
I just want to know if ever Donaire beat Rigondeaux and Mares and capture their titles this coming year, will he become the recognized undisputed champion at 122-pounds? Donaire already vacated the IBF title but has the WBO and with The Ring as the lineal title... Does he need the IBF title again? Thanks! :)

Just want to be clarified... :peace:


Winning it but losing it outside the ring is inconsequential.

Look at Lennox Lewis who unified the heavyweight title. He lost the WBA version due to technicality but still he's the universally recognized undisputed champion.

So if Donaire beats Mares and Rigo next year, he's the undisputed champion at 122, no doubt, regardless what the IBF champion would say.


Thanks! :D I think Jermain Taylor also became like that but vacating the IBF version... Not sure if he was still universally recognized undisputed champion after vacating the IBF title...

Well if that happens, will it be a historic, record-breaking and significant thing in terms of the World and Philippine boxing scene and history?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:09 pm 
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one more belt and hell be considered as undisputed champion.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:55 am 
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mauragon wrote:
one more belt and hell be considered as undisputed champion.


I thought four alphabet soup titles are needed? He doesn't have the WBA and WBC version yet... :?

Wait, does he need the Super version of WBA? Rigondeaux is still a regular champion...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:00 pm 
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thedarkdragon11 wrote:
mauragon wrote:
one more belt and hell be considered as undisputed champion.


I thought four alphabet soup titles are needed? He doesn't have the WBA and WBC version yet... :?

Wait, does he need the Super version of WBA? Rigondeaux is still a regular champion...


three is acceptable already. hopkins case is one example. He only unified 3 belts.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:59 pm 
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mauragon wrote:
three is acceptable already. hopkins case is one example. He only unified 3 belts.


Ahh... Thanks! :D That's why Donaire earlier said that he only needs 3...

But isn't it Hopkins got 4? He just became undisputed champion by beating Trinidad because during that time, WBO was not yet officially recognized? Then he also beat DLH...

And why Wladimir Klitschko is not considered as the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion? He has the Super version of WBA, IBF and WBO in addition to his The Ring and IBO titles and he's also the lineal champion... Besides, the other champion is his own brother and stablemate...

I was confused since the last post because according to Wikipedia (not sure if reliable):

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1920-1963, a boxer who held both the NYSAC and NBA (WBA) titles simultaneously.
1963–1983, a boxer who held both the WBA and WBC titles simultaneously.
1983–2009, a boxer who held the WBA, WBC, and IBF titles simultaneously.
2009–Present, a boxer who holds the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles simultaneously.

By the way, thanks for your answers! :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:14 pm 
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This is a very interesting topic. Here’s my take TS:
First the term undisputed champion is not clearly defined nowadays. It’s a lot easier before when boxing only has the WBC and the WBA. Now we also have the IBF, wbo and the ring magazine/lineal title.
The ideal is to have them all but that’s difficult for some reasons that include:

1. Some fighters refuse to pay the sanction fees so the title wasn’t at stake during the actual fight.
2. IBF is notorious in stripping of belts some for unjust reasons.
3. These organizations are jealous of each other and it is common to see the champion and the number one challenger of one body is not even rated in the other.
4. Some give credit to the ring magazine belt as they follow the rule of lineage, “the man who beat the man”. Still others lost their trust at the ring belt ever since it was bought by golden boy productions.

IMHO, 3 out of 4 alphabet belts + the lineal/ring title is enough for a fighter to be called undisputed. That in itself is already difficult but nonetheless possible.

If you would go by the old school that the champion should have all belts to be considered the undisputed , then there’s a possibility that we won’t have an undisputed champion in any division in the future.

Btw wladlimir klitschko is the current wba, ibf and wbo heavyweight champion. Vitali klitscho on the other hand is the current wbc heavyweight champion. Does the klitscho brothers need to fight each other just to have one of them called the undisputed champ? :?

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Who is the last Undisputed Junior Featherweight Champion? :?

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dwight wrote:
Who is the last Undisputed Junior Featherweight Champion? :?


Unfortunately the division is not rich in history of unification bouts.

It seems like if Donaire does it he'll be the first to do it.

But in the same sense, being undisputed means you are the only champion. So here's the answer to your question:

The WBC re-established the division by the 1970's. The first claimant to the throne was Rigoberto Riasco who held it from April until October of 1976, that is when he lost it to Royal Kobayashi. Kobayashi in turn held it for just a month and lost it to Dong Kyun Yum on November 24. However, on November 26, a bout between Hector Carrascilla and Soo Han Hong for the newly established WBA super bantamweight division championship which was won by Hong and the title was split ever since.

Therefore, the lst undisputed champion in a sense, since he is the only champion of the division at that time, was Don Hyun Yum who held the WBC title.

Hope that answers your question.


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JudgeHenryVerniz wrote:
dwight wrote:
Who is the last Undisputed Junior Featherweight Champion? :?


Unfortunately the division is not rich in history of unification bouts.

It seems like if Donaire does it he'll be the first to do it.

But in the same sense, being undisputed means you are the only champion. So here's the answer to your question:

The WBC re-established the division by the 1970's. The first claimant to the throne was Rigoberto Riasco who held it from April until October of 1976, that is when he lost it to Royal Kobayashi. Kobayashi in turn held it for just a month and lost it to Dong Kyun Yum on November 24. However, on November 26, a bout between Hector Carrascilla and Soo Han Hong for the newly established WBA super bantamweight division championship which was won by Hong and the title was split ever since.

Therefore, the lst undisputed champion in a sense, since he is the only champion of the division at that time, was Don Hyun Yum who held the WBC title.

Hope that answers your question.


thanks...
This would be an achievement for Donaire if he can unify all the belts... :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:31 pm 
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Thanks for all the replies! :D

So Donaire will be the Undisputed Junior Featherweight Champion come 2013 because he will fight Rigondeaux and/or Mares... :)

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thedarkdragon11 wrote:
Thanks for all the replies! :D

So Donaire will be the Undisputed Junior Featherweight Champion come 2013 because he will fight Rigondeaux and/or Mares... :)


That's if he'll win... :D

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