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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:47 pm 
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migs IC...alam mo bang ka missy gunn mong si sweater guapito nag champion sa cyber friends derby last Feb.4...walang magaw mga kuyog boys...lalo namang humangin si galvin :laugh:...


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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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Depende iyan sa methodology ng breeding program and foundation blood mo kung saan ka mag uumpisa...if you start on a straight bred, you can keep them 100 % right on the very same blood you started with...hahimbawa nag start ka sa 100 % na straight bred na Kelso at you breed it to the same specimen of a 100 % straight bred kelso..then 100 % straight bred Kelso na kaagad ang produkto mo...if started on a 2 way cross , meaning half 'n half you have to breed it to either 1/2 of the blood composition of that strain and bred it to that side to the very end....halimbawa 1/2 kelso-1/2 hatch...gusto mo sa side ng hatch mag pa puro n the offspring of 1/2 kelso-1/2 hatch ay i breed mo balik sa hatch to get the 3/4 hatch-1/4 kelso, then same process you'll get 7/8-1/8 and so on...same thing din if you would like to breed toward the kelso side.

ah ganun po pa so sa pang 4th breed makukuha mo na ang pure 100% na breed.. bro diba first breed mo is may 3/4 breed kana saan ba yon namamana ng sisiw sa ina ba? :o


Kung nakuha mo na ang stability ng dugo early along da breeding process..why go deeper into the realm of radical inbreeding? too much inbreeding can cause inbreeding depression...( lacking in station, poor resistant sa mga disease, poor egg production sa mga hens, crooked toe, pagka paling ng buntot, limber necks among the few at deterioration in built ang magiging resulta in the pursuit of 100% via in breeding method! we cross out fowls to improve their characteristics, and we bred them within the family to attain uniformity and stability. if we allow ourselves to get carried away...there is no worst methodology to ruin our birds than this way.

kung nais mong mag pa puro using crosess or multi crossed fowl...ay mainam nga mag start ka sa puro then cross out.....

ang mga anak o sisiw ay minamana ang genetics mula pareho sa ama at ina...

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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ninong-quatro katorse wrote:
migs IC...alam mo bang ka missy gunn mong si sweater guapito nag champion sa cyber friends derby last Feb.4...walang magaw mga kuyog boys...lalo namang humangin si galvin :laugh:...


sinabi mo tol.... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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Kung nakuha mo na ang stability ng dugo early along da breeding process..why go deeper into the realm of radical inbreeding? too much inbreeding can cause inbreeding depression...( lacking in station, poor resistant sa mga disease, poor egg production sa mga hens, crooked toe, pagka paling ng buntot, limber necks among the few at deterioration in built ang magiging resulta in the pursuit of 100% via in breeding method! we cross out fowls to improve their characteristics, and we bred them within the family to attain uniformity and stability. if we allow ourselves to get carried away...there is no worst methodology to ruin our birds than this way.

kung nais mong mag pa puro using crosess or multi crossed fowl...ay mainam nga mag start ka sa puro then cross out.....

ang mga anak o sisiw ay minamana ang genetics mula pareho sa ama at ina...
ah ganun ba chief hindi rin pala maganda if pure 100% ang breed ... doon kasi sa amin chief may nag ko cross breed ng basilan at lemon i dont know if familiar ka sa basilan gamefowl mataas kasi ang tayo ng manok na ito chief.

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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KIEZERKENT wrote:
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Kung nakuha mo na ang stability ng dugo early along da breeding process..why go deeper into the realm of radical inbreeding? too much inbreeding can cause inbreeding depression...( lacking in station, poor resistant sa mga disease, poor egg production sa mga hens, crooked toe, pagka paling ng buntot, limber necks among the few at deterioration in built ang magiging resulta in the pursuit of 100% via in breeding method! we cross out fowls to improve their characteristics, and we bred them within the family to attain uniformity and stability. if we allow ourselves to get carried away...there is no worst methodology to ruin our birds than this way.

kung nais mong mag pa puro using crosess or multi crossed fowl...ay mainam nga mag start ka sa puro then cross out.....

ang mga anak o sisiw ay minamana ang genetics mula pareho sa ama at ina...
ah ganun ba chief hindi rin pala maganda if pure 100% ang breed ... doon kasi sa amin chief may nag ko cross breed ng basilan at lemon i dont know if familiar ka sa basilan gamefowl mataas kasi ang tayo ng manok na ito chief.


tell us more about this basilan fowl...kung ma ka pag post ka ng pic ay mas mabuti...

complex matter kasi ang pag bi breeding kaibigan, parang obra maestra at hindi nakukuha sa isang tulog lamang...may mga puro na lubhang established na...by doing fresh infusion of the same blood or any distant but related blood to refresh the existing stocks every now and then...that way nag kaka karoon ng invigorization ang isang linyada that counteracts the effects of inbreeding depression. kaya nga dito sa 'merika we have breeders that are able to maintain the purity of their stocks and breeds for more than 60 years na that are still vigorous just like the very day they were made as a strain.

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:04 pm 
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ninong-quatro katorse wrote:
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bro kiezer may sabong pa ba dyan sa cdo? meron akong nakita dyan arena katapat ng hotel di lang matandaan ang pangalan.


doc...maraming dehadistang natuwa dito sa laban ng nokis naming ito sa Ibaan...kalaban namin may ari ng Lipa Cockpit si Fred Katigbak...presidente ng Batangas Kakers Breeders Association...medyo maganda pustahan namin dito :) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQode0tHcXw


thanks for the link and info bro. actually casual gambler lang ako dahil nga siguro ayaw kong malulong sa sugal na yan.

sumusama lang ako sa aking mga brothers in law paminsan minsan pero hindi derby yon, maliitan lang ika nga. :D

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:05 pm 
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and this is what migs IC is talking about...

DeerSprings BB Sweater X Liza Galore Dan Gray RH- Karachi Hatch...

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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IronChef wrote:
KIEZERKENT wrote:
IronChef wrote:
Kung nakuha mo na ang stability ng dugo early along da breeding process..why go deeper into the realm of radical inbreeding? too much inbreeding can cause inbreeding depression...( lacking in station, poor resistant sa mga disease, poor egg production sa mga hens, crooked toe, pagka paling ng buntot, limber necks among the few at deterioration in built ang magiging resulta in the pursuit of 100% via in breeding method! we cross out fowls to improve their characteristics, and we bred them within the family to attain uniformity and stability. if we allow ourselves to get carried away...there is no worst methodology to ruin our birds than this way.

kung nais mong mag pa puro using crosess or multi crossed fowl...ay mainam nga mag start ka sa puro then cross out.....

ang mga anak o sisiw ay minamana ang genetics mula pareho sa ama at ina...
ah ganun ba chief hindi rin pala maganda if pure 100% ang breed ... doon kasi sa amin chief may nag ko cross breed ng basilan at lemon i dont know if familiar ka sa basilan gamefowl mataas kasi ang tayo ng manok na ito chief.


tell us more about this basilan fowl...kung ma ka pag post ka ng pic ay mas mabuti...
as of now chief hindi wala pa akong pic eh .. but this basilan gamefowl chief ito yong mga gamefowl ng mga kababayanan nating muslim ..malaki ang pusta nila sinasabong nila ito na walang "tari" ano ba yan sa tagalog ... ang manalo ay yong mataas ang resistance ..

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:09 pm 
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ninong-quatro katorse wrote:
and this is what migs IC is talking about...

DeerSprings BB Sweater X Liza Galore Dan Gray RH- Karachi Hatch...

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ang ganda ng mga gamefowl nyo bro ang kinis ng balahibo.. may mga record na ba yan lahat??

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:11 pm 
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dencioPT101 wrote:
ninong-quatro katorse wrote:
dencioPT101 wrote:
bro kiezer may sabong pa ba dyan sa cdo? meron akong nakita dyan arena katapat ng hotel di lang matandaan ang pangalan.


doc...maraming dehadistang natuwa dito sa laban ng nokis naming ito sa Ibaan...kalaban namin may ari ng Lipa Cockpit si Fred Katigbak...presidente ng Batangas Kakers Breeders Association...medyo maganda pustahan namin dito :) ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQode0tHcXw


thanks for the link and info bro. actually casual gambler lang ako dahil nga siguro ayaw kong malulong sa sugal na yan.

sumusama lang ako sa aking mga brothers in law paminsan minsan pero hindi derby yon, maliitan lang ika nga. :D


maski kami ni bro IC doc ay hindi nag papakalulong sa ganito...natutuwa na lang kaming makita ang aming mga feathered warriors to compete at a high level...


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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:26 pm 
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quote from Ironchef...

"complex matter kasi ang pag bi breeding kaibigan, parang obra maestra at hindi nakukuha sa isang tulog lamang...may mga puro na lubhang established na...by doing fresh infusion of the same blood or any distant but related blood to refresh the existing stocks every now and then"...

and this is what he meant by that...

using my Howard Belk madigin claret over his own line of madigin claret...and here are the products...again uniform sila...

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Claret under the shade...
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and here's one that he tested recently naka dalawa na as a stag...

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Seen here holding a pure bred Gilmore Hatch ****...

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With Ninong quatro-katorse at His Deersprings Gamefarm of Sothern California holding a pure bred Lester Jr. belt Cowan RoundHead......

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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Seen here Holding a Joe Sanford Yellow Legged Hatch at Ninong's deersprings gamefarm, California...

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 Post subject: Re: "SABONG 101"
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here's deersprings gilmore in action...01/10/2009...San Pedro Cockpit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK-jUd3Mihs
4x winner gilmore

another 4x winner gilmore hatch in migs IC's yard...
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